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05-06-2011, 08:22 PM
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Tor - Buf

Possible Draft Day Deal

To Toronto: Zack Kassian & 2011 BUF 3rd

To Buffalo: Keith Aulie & 2011 PHI 1st


Phaneuf and Aulie were a very effective top pairing during the second half of the season. A future top pairing of Myers and Aulie would be scary.

We all know Burke would love to get Kassian to solve the Leafs need for a young power forward.

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05-06-2011, 08:24 PM
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Leafs don't need prospects, they need NHL ready players. Good offer though, but with what Aulie has been able to get out of Phaneuf, I'm not so sure I'm ready to deal him. Maybe if Gardiner plays well with Phaneuf.

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Aulie has been very good for us, he allows phaneuf to play similar to the way he did in Calgary. He's pretty much untouchable unless we get another Dman who phaneuf plays well with

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The last thing I want is them trading their only available top 6 power forward prospect with a mean streak to a division rival.
Aulie is a good young player and the way he plays is exactly what the Sabres should be looking for as a partner for Myers, but they can't afford to get any younger on D, they already have Myers, Butler, Weber, Gragnani and Sekera who are all 24 or younger.

If the Leafs weren't a division rival or/and if Aulie had more experience, I would find that deal very enticing.

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I'd say that is a very solid proposal.

I'm not sure if I would want the Leafs to make such a trade due to how effective Aulie is as a partner for Phaneuf. Without Aulie, we would need to go out and acquire another defenseman for the top 4.

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05-06-2011, 08:46 PM
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The last thing I want is them trading their only available top 6 power forward prospect with a mean streak to a division rival.
Aulie is a good young player and the way he plays is exactly what the Sabres should be looking for as a partner for Myers, but they can't afford to get any younger on D, they already have Myers, Butler, Weber, Gragnani and Sekera who are all 24 or younger.

If the Leafs weren't a division rival or/and if Aulie had more experience, I would find that deal very enticing.
I agree it's risky trading prospects within your division [(TOR/BOS, 2006)(TOR/BOS, 2009)], but I think this is a deal that would pay off for both team because it would fill organizational needs.

I think Kassian is going to be a very effective power forward that would provide a whole lot of space for our smallish top six, and you know what you're getting with Aulie. He would be a perfect stay-at-home compliment to Myers.

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05-06-2011, 10:30 PM
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Not a chance Buffalo gives Kassian to a division rival.

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Possible Draft Day Deal

To Toronto: Zack Kassian & 2011 BUF 3rd

To Buffalo: Keith Aulie & 2011 PHI 1st


Phaneuf and Aulie were a very effective top pairing during the second half of the season. A future top pairing of Myers and Aulie would be scary.

We all know Burke would love to get Kassian to solve the Leafs need for a young power forward.
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Interesting proposal, but if Leafs are giving up valuable assets Id rather target a playmaking centre for Kessel. Thats our top need right now with Kulemin starting to play a power-forward type game. Plus I really like Aulie. Nobody projected him to play so well on the top pair, and the fact that our captain looked like he did in his Calgary days while playing with Aulie makes me very, very reluctant to deal him.

Add to that the fact that Kassian is still an unknown, and this deal is a close no for me.

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05-06-2011, 11:20 PM
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Pointless trade -- likely from both perspectives and definitely from the Leafs perspective. Toronto doesn't need another Colby Armstrong type-player, especially at the cost of a 1st rounder... they need to use those picks in conjunction with other assets to trade for top of the lineup guys.

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Pointless trade -- likely from both perspetives and definitely from the Leafs perspective. Toronto doesn't need another Colby Armstrong type-player, especially at the cost of Aulie...
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05-07-2011, 12:54 AM
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I think the Leafs would reconsider if it was their 2nd going to Buffalo, or if it were Boston's 1st.

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05-07-2011, 01:09 AM
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Zack Kassian was a top10ish pick and is currently ranked as Buffalo's top prospect and 24th best prospect by HF (for what it's worth).

Keith Aulie is an older, unranked and very average prospect. Plus, frankly, nobody is interested in him, it's just you leafs fans who keep throwing him in every proposal. A 25ish pick is far from enough to offset the value difference between a marginal prospect and a top10 picked blossoming SOB power forward. Nobody cares that "he had a good second stretch".

This proposal is HORRIBLE for Buffalo, and if you are currently 10 leafs fans discussing about how it's "pointless for both" with nobody to argue, I think it's because people don't really see the point of trying to educate such a stubborn and delusional fanbase anymore.

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buffalo does not do the deal

I know leaf fans will say Aulie is worth the 2 first rounders(klassien was first rounder)--but Aulie is not tht good

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Zack Kassian was a top10ish pick and is currently ranked as Buffalo's top prospect and 24th best prospect by HF (for what it's worth).

Keith Aulie is an older, unranked and very average prospect. Plus, frankly, nobody is interested in him, it's just you leafs fans who keep throwing him in every proposal. A 25ish pick is far from enough to offset the value difference between a marginal prospect and a top10 picked blossoming SOB power forward. Nobody cares that "he had a good second stretch".

This proposal is HORRIBLE for Buffalo, and if you are currently 10 leafs fans discussing about how it's "pointless for both" with nobody to argue, I think it's because people don't really see the point of trying to educate such a stubborn and delusional fanbase anymore.



I think some of them have grown tired of argueing

like some people have grown tired of some of the crap my fellow oil fans have tossed out there

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This proposal is HORRIBLE for Buffalo, and if you are currently 10 leafs fans discussing about how it's "pointless for both" with nobody to argue, I think it's because people don't really see the point of trying to educate such a stubborn and delusional fanbase anymore.
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buffalo does not do the deal

I know leaf fans will say Aulie is worth the 2 first rounders(klassien was first rounder)--but Aulie is not tht good
You got it mixed up the leafs are the one who is giving up a first round pick.

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Not commenting on the proposal but Aulie and Myers were paired together in the WJHC a couple years ago.

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Hope ur not serious, if you are your an idiot. Its a SOLID proposal.
so you want to give up a young d man who has played in the NHL and looked solid+ a 1st for prospect that has yet to play in the NHL and a 3rd?

no thanks I like Kassian to but no thanks

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Possible Draft Day Deal

To Toronto: Zack Kassian & 2011 BUF 3rd

To Buffalo: Keith Aulie & 2011 PHI 1st


Phaneuf and Aulie were a very effective top pairing during the second half of the season. A future top pairing of Myers and Aulie would be scary.

We all know Burke would love to get Kassian to solve the Leafs need for a young power forward.
It's an interesting proposal, and certainly better than many others I've seen on this site recently.

Doubt Buffalo would do it though as they're very high on Kassian.

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why do people keep saying it's an interesting proposal it's an awful proposal. so Let me get tis stright you guys want to trade a young D man who was basically a steal at this point in the Phaneuf trade. Who came in and RIGHT AWAY played top 4 minutes and played tem well, a kid who helped turn around Dions game in he 2nd half a kid who is only going to get better PLUS you want to add a 1st round pick in exchange for......

A kid who I admit a really like in Kassian BUT a kid who has yet to show THING in the NHL NOTHING we don't know if he can play. He MIGHT be a PPG winger or e might be a complete bust we don't know. AND you want to add 3rd because you think it makes up for the trading of a 1st.

NO thats a riaky idea I will keep the more proven asset that has actually played in the NHL.

Might I add Aulie is a MONSTER at 6"6 217 LBS


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In a vacuum, it makes sense. In reality, it doesn't.

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05-07-2011, 07:33 AM
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Possible Draft Day Deal

To Toronto: Zack Kassian & 2011 BUF 3rd

To Buffalo: Keith Aulie & 2011 PHI 1st


Phaneuf and Aulie were a very effective top pairing during the second half of the season. A future top pairing of Myers and Aulie would be scary.

We all know Burke would love to get Kassian to solve the Leafs need for a young power forward.
Aulie projects to be a stabilizing influence on the blueline for the next decade. He's big, mobile, can effectively rub guy out, and is an under-rated fighter. He's also young and has some upside.

While Kassian projects to be a solid player big mobile d-men with character don't come around as often. The Leafs would have interest in Kassian but not if the price was Aulie.

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05-07-2011, 07:39 AM
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Zack Kassian was a top10ish pick and is currently ranked as Buffalo's top prospect and 24th best prospect by HF (for what it's worth).

Keith Aulie is an older, unranked and very average prospect.
Plus, frankly, nobody is interested in him, it's just you leafs fans who keep throwing him in every proposal. A 25ish pick is far from enough to offset the value difference between a marginal prospect and a top10 picked blossoming SOB power forward. Nobody cares that "he had a good second stretch".

This proposal is HORRIBLE for Buffalo, and if you are currently 10 leafs fans discussing about how it's "pointless for both" with nobody to argue, I think it's because people don't really see the point of trying to educate such a stubborn and delusional fanbase anymore.
He's not a prospect anymore -- he actually plays on the top pairing. He's also 6'6" and very mobile. Uses his body effectively and is a solid fighter. Destroyed a couple vets in fights including Scott Hartnell.

But yeah -- HF's rankings are the holy grail -- except I can name 4 guys that will be better then most on that list ---> Reimer, Frattin, Aulie, and Colborne.

Seriously, you like Kassian, keep him. Leaf fans love Aulie but don't pretend 6'6" mobile, tough dmen grow on trees. Nor do 21 year old dman playing 20+ minutes a night.

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He's not a prospect anymore -- he actually plays on the top pairing. He's also 6'6" and very mobile. Uses his body effectively and is a solid fighter. Destroyed a couple vets in fights including Scott Hartnell.

But yeah -- HF's rankings are the holy grail -- except I can name 4 guys that will be better then most on that list ---> Reimer, Frattin, Aulie, and Colborne.

Seriously, you like Kassian, keep him. Leaf fans love Aulie but don't pretend 6'6" mobile, tough dmen grow on trees. Nor do 21 year old dman playing 20+ minutes a night.
FWIW, I think Vsevolod Bobrov is a neutral fan. Certainly never seen him around the Sabres board before.

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