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04-26-2011, 08:43 PM
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I do agree with this being overpayment and the fact that Grabo only has one year left on his deal would make Colorado hesitate if he doesnt resign.

I wonder if something around this would work more:

Colborne
Macarthur
Boston's 1st

for

Statsny


Statsny is eating up a lot of capspace while playing on your second line, and Colborne would be a suitable center to play on your second line either next year or the year after.
Statsny can score 80 points while playing a good two way game, which is pretty nice production for 6.6 million. MacArthur doesn't have much value, he's had one good year and a few mediocre ones.

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04-26-2011, 08:43 PM
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Leaf fans are so obsessive over Stastny its ridiculous.

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04-26-2011, 08:48 PM
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The Avs want to build a better team by acquiring top line high end talent through the draft.

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04-26-2011, 08:57 PM
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Leaf fans are so obsessive over Stastny its ridiculous.
i don't know why. he's good but there's a bunch of centerman i would try to trade for before him.

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04-26-2011, 09:01 PM
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Statsny can score 80 points while playing a good two way game, which is pretty nice production for 6.6 million. MacArthur doesn't have much value, he's had one good year and a few mediocre ones.
Its nice production, but its still high, considering two of the best players in the league make less.

Well I'm just putting what would be fair value for Stastny imo.

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04-26-2011, 09:07 PM
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****in way too much from the Leafs.

That's right, I said it; our team and ownership is flush, yours isn't.

Both 1sts
Ross
MacArthur (signed @ 2.9 for 2)
Rynnas

Is what any such trade would really look like in reality.


Oh, that's right, I forgot that the Avs are suddenly flat broke and are desperate to give Stastny away for Toronto's spare parts. Hate to burst your bubble, but repeating this myth won't make it true.

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04-26-2011, 09:07 PM
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Leaf fans make it sound as if they are doing us a favor by taking Stastny. "He makes 6.6 and plays on your 2nd line".

First off, the Avs not only have a TON of cap space, they almost NEED Stastny to stay somewhat close to the cap floor.

Secondly, Stastny plays on the 2nd line in name only. He often plays more than Duchene. Stastny had a down year where his linemates all got hurt/traded (Stewart/Galiardi/Fleischmann). He was playing with Porter and Jones for most of the year. Jones is pretty good, but Porter is not even close to top six material. Stastny is very capable of being a PPG two way centerman. He's already done it for a few years.

Also another point, just because we have Duchene now does not mean we should trade Stastny. The Avs won 2 cups with Sakic and Forsberg and the Avs brass has gone on record saying they want to build up the middle with this rebuild. They have that now in place with Duchene, Stastny, OReilly and McClement.

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IF Edmonton takes Larsson and Colorado drafts RNH
Colorado
Schenn
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Leafs
Stastny

IMO that deal makes sense for both teams if Colorado is going to get RNH

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04-26-2011, 09:10 PM
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That "second" line centre is capable of putting up 80 points while being solid in his own end. Grabo is solid but I'm not ready to count him as one of the best 2nd line centres in the league just yet and only has 1 more year left on his deal. MacArthur has one good season and is due a raise. a Late 1st isn't worth much in terms of this trade and the prospects are decent but not exactly mind blowing.
Yeah, I know that Stastny is more of a 80 points center and that he's very good defensively. I said that Stastny his the second line center of the Avs, but I consider him a first line center. And I agree with you that the first round pick or the prospect are not game breaker, but what I wanted to show is that both team don't do this deal, but you can't say that it's terrible for the Avs.

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57 point season which was very disappointing because we KNOW that he can be a PPG player. Plus you forget how Stastny might be our next captain and the fact that he is awesome defensively. His 6.6 million is not a negative for us it is only a negative for other teams.

Grabovski is one of the best second line centers in the league? What world do you live in and if he is one of the best second line centers in the league than what does that make Stastny? Why would we downgrade?
Mostly the same answer.

And why would the Avs downgrade? I'm not saying they should make the trade, like I said, I think neither teams do this, but that would be a small downgrade for the second line center for the Avs, but a very solid proven second line center for replacement, a solid top 6 winger, and somes good picks in the draft, if they want to move up in the draft with the 11th overall, that coud be useful, or just to have three first rounders plus two high second is very nice.

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04-26-2011, 09:10 PM
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Forget Stastny, lets talk Duchene.

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I'm not sure why everyone thinks that Stastny was or is our 2nd line center. His ATOI was about just a minute more than Duchene's. Stastny ATOI was 19:44 whereas Duchene's ATOI was 18:57.

The Avs have two 1st line centers that play equally. Our recipe for success has always been up the middle and we're not going to sabotage that by trading Stastny or Duchene. Just about all of us believe Stastny is worth his $6.6m/yr salary and caphit, and we will not trade him without receiving fair value in return.

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Not getting Stastny without Schenn.

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Its nice production, but its still high, considering two of the best players in the league make less.

Well I'm just putting what would be fair value for Stastny imo.
If that's fair then the Coyotes can out do it. If Stastny is available a lot more teams then just the Leafs would be interested.

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04-26-2011, 09:17 PM
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i don't know why. he's good but there's a bunch of centerman i would try to trade for before him.
Please tell your fellow leaf fans that so they can go bother some other fan base.

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If that's fair then the Coyotes can out do it. If Stastny is available a lot more teams then just the Leafs would be interested.
Bingo. See, this is something that gets overlooked completely. If Stastny were available, the Avs could trade him anywhere seeing as he doesn't have a NTC. There wouldn't be any shortage of suitors if the Avs were to actually decide to dangle him out there in trade.

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04-26-2011, 10:06 PM
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To Colorado:
Schenn
Reimer
Kadri

To Toronto:
Hunwick
Koci
Yip
Porter
Stoa
Holos
Cumiskey
Brian Elliot
2011 6th round pick

Am I doing it right?
you sure you wanna include Hunwick in there? dont know if i wanna give up our future on defence

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To Colorado:
Schenn
Reimer
Kadri

To Toronto:
Hunwick
Koci
Yip
Porter
Stoa
Holos
Cumiskey
Brian Elliot
2011 6th round pick

Am I doing it right?
Ah take the 6th rounder out and you're bang on. Seriously... how many Statsny to Toronto threads have we seen in the past three months?

If Toronto doesn't sign Richards, I think Statsny could see a lot more to Toronto threads until his contract ends.

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Bingo. See, this is something that gets overlooked completely. If Stastny were available, the Avs could trade him anywhere seeing as he doesn't have a NTC. There wouldn't be any shortage of suitors if the Avs were to actually decide to dangle him out there in trade.
Okay well is Stastny better then Brad Richards or Joe Thornton? And probably maybe a little better then Cammalleri. Yet the package I gave i think is a lot better then the packages any of these players got, the first two are much superior then Stastny.

These three players might have been none to have been in trade talks. But maybe with a 2nd overall selection and having two younger stars that are gonna be the face of the franchise (Duchene and Johnson) and the need for a 1st overall goaltender (maybe Bryzgalov if Pheonix moves) I think Colorado would be accepting to move Stastny.

These reasons make me seem like it is the right time to make proposals as he seems like a player that could be on his way out. (yet we don't know it)

If a GM has a player he sees as tradeable hes not gonna go out and advertise the player as being for sale unless he wants him out ASAP hes gonna listen to offers for him. And Burke has stated many times that he is looking for a 1 center via trade or free agency it makes the possibility that much greatter. Just my two cents.

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04-26-2011, 10:20 PM
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People need to realize there is more then 1 way to get deals done they don't all have to center around Schenn. The avs wouldn't even ask for Schenn they know better

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People need to realize there is more then 1 way to get deals done they don't all have to center around Schenn. The avs wouldn't even ask for Schenn they know better
You're absolutely right. The Avs would choose a team that has assets that interest us. Most teams have more than one.

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People need to realize there is more then 1 way to get deals done they don't all have to center around Schenn. The avs wouldn't even ask for Schenn they know better
If the Avs should know better then to ask for Schenn, shouldn't the Leafs know better then to ask for Stastny? The Avs have a lot of lesser players and prospects, they are looking for top level talent, so why would they trade a guy who is that for a bunch of pieces that aren't?

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People need to realize there is more then 1 way to get deals done they don't all have to center around Schenn. The avs wouldn't even ask for Schenn they know better
Leafs shouldn't even ask for Stastny if Schenn isn't part of the package. Ask yourself this, would you trade Schenn for McArthur+the 2 firsts etc?

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Who keeps necroing these old threads?

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that is the other thing avs fans need to realize just because Schenn is the only guy that interests YOU chances are he is not the only guy that would interest GM usually teams have a list of guys not just 1 guy

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that is the other thing avs fans need to realize just because Schenn is the only guy that interests YOU chances are he is not the only guy that would interest GM usually teams have a list of guys not just 1 guy
I didn't know NHL GMs come here to read proposals..

The interest of the fans are what matters on this board, but maybe you speak to the GMs directly.

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