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04-30-2011, 02:37 PM
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JVR was great from Game 1 on... as I recall, Carter was playing in Game 1-3.
I'd go so far as to say that JVR was the best player on the ice in Game 1.

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04-30-2011, 06:48 PM
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when was the last time z got a breakout pass into the o-zone??? 'nuther thing, he doesn't seem to have the confidence of his teammates, who rarely pass to him.... he's coming back well on d, but his speed when at full-stride is just not being exploited. also like to see him on the powerplay, camped out in thomas' right faceoff circle, to pot a few easy goals.

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04-30-2011, 07:05 PM
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how 'bout pairing zherdev with leino, an admitted Russophile when it comes to hockey. Be interesting at least....

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04-30-2011, 07:17 PM
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Zherdev has been a surprise on a team that can look horrible. Zherdev has really been trying lately, and honestly, I love it. He may not get the same points as he's been getting, but he's been hitting and backchecking and that's awesome.

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04-30-2011, 07:34 PM
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Zherdev has been a surprise on a team that can look horrible. Zherdev has really been trying lately, and honestly, I love it. He may not get the same points as he's been getting, but he's been hitting and backchecking and that's awesome.
As soon as we sign him to a long term deal zherdev will get lazy

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As soon as we sign him to a long term deal zherdev will get lazy
Honestly, I think if he likes the way Lavy's system works, I could see him signing for cheap (or cheap enough).

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04-30-2011, 09:41 PM
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Didn't have a shot on goal; set up jvr for a decent shot on net, and got the puck to giroux as well. doesn't get the chances or the passes or is in synch with the players and their style of play. would be interesting to see what he would do with detroit or another team not afraid to load up on foreigners. flyers bam-bam hockey is just not his thing. too weak along the boards, although he is trying.....

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05-02-2011, 12:25 PM
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when was the last time z got a breakout pass into the o-zone??? 'nuther thing, he doesn't seem to have the confidence of his teammates, who rarely pass to him.... he's coming back well on d, but his speed when at full-stride is just not being exploited. also like to see him on the powerplay, camped out in thomas' right faceoff circle, to pot a few easy goals.
This.

He's being used incorrectly.

Lavi's insistence on him playing defensively is killing this man's offensive creativity. We should be looking to break this man out whenever the opportunity arises.

He has the skill set and speed to wreak havoc on the opposition if we used him to our advantage.

I was reading an article when we first signed him that said his coaches in Russia were trying to get him to play defense much like Lavi is doing.

After a while they realized they were using him incorrectly and let him go and play his game.

He scored something like 13 goals in 5 games after that LOL.

Lavi....

UNLEASH THE BEAST!

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05-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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This.

He's being used incorrectly.

Lavi's insistence on him playing defensively is killing this man's offensive creativity. We should be looking to break this man out whenever the opportunity arises.

He has the skill set and speed to wreak havoc on the opposition if we used him to our advantage.

I was reading an article when we first signed him that said his coaches in Russia were trying to get him to play defense much like Lavi is doing.

After a while they realized they were using him incorrectly and let him go and play his game.

He scored something like 13 goals in 5 games after that LOL.

Lavi....

UNLEASH THE BEAST!
Are you kidding? Players are expected to play defence adequately at a bare minimum. The problem with this team right now is the lack of good defensive forwards. Bruere, Leino, Giroux to an extent, Hartnell and Zherdev aren't getting the job done at both ends of the rink. Richards, Betts, Powe and Carter are the best defensive forwards and Carter is not playing so the rest have to pick up the slack, including Z. It's not up to Lavi to create special roles for certain players, it's up to the players to be accountable at both ends of the ice.

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05-02-2011, 12:33 PM
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If Zherdev was so *ing great he wouldn't have spent last year in the KHL... and he wouldn't have gone unclaimed on waivers. People seriously need a reality check.

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05-02-2011, 12:37 PM
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Are you kidding? Players are expected to play defence adequately at a bare minimum. The problem with this team right now is the lack of good defensive forwards. Bruere, Leino, Giroux to an extent, Hartnell and Zherdev aren't getting the job done at both ends of the rink. Richards, Betts, Powe and Carter are the best defensive forwards and Carter is not playing so the rest have to pick up the slack, including Z. It's not up to Lavi to create special roles for certain players, it's up to the players to be accountable at both ends of the ice.
But what sense does it make to try to make a purely offensive player play defense?

What good is Zherdev, really, if he plays decently defensively but doesn't contribute anything offensively?

For a guy like him to go every game with 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, but playing adequate defense just doesn't cut it.

We got Z for one reason and one reason only---to be a major threat on offense.

His skills are being misused.

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But what sense does it make to try to make a purely offensive player play defense?

What good is Zherdev, really, if he plays decently defensively but doesn't contribute anything offensively?

For a guy like him to go every game with 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, but playing adequate defense just doesn't cut it.

We got Z for one reason and one reason only---to be a major threat on offense.

His skills are being misused.
We got him as a cheap player on the fringe of our lineup for one year.

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zherdev was terrible all season. I will admit however, that he has been a different player in the playoffs. Not saying that he has been a force on the ice, but he has been acting with some severely uncharacteristic traits for him. I have seen zherdev take the body and take runs at people on numerous occasions, and for the most part he is "putting the effort in" on the forecheck and backchech... at least as well as the rest of the team has which is saying a lot for him.

Zherdev is a perimeter scorer who I do NOT want to see back next season, but he is giving at least his version of "A" game so far this playoffs. with that being said he is still only our 7th to 8th best foward on a nightly basis.

I am pumped for tonight to see if this team can play like champions or continue to be a bunch of bums who have no heart.

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05-02-2011, 01:03 PM
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But what sense does it make to try to make a purely offensive player play defense?

What good is Zherdev, really, if he plays decently defensively but doesn't contribute anything offensively?

For a guy like him to go every game with 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, but playing adequate defense just doesn't cut it.

We got Z for one reason and one reason only---to be a major threat on offense.

His skills are being misused.
We allready have one of those players who doesnt know how to play defense and is a MAJOR offensive threat, he goes by the name of Danny Briere. The problem is this team cant have more than one player leaving the defence hanging out to dry. I agree that Zherdev could be put in a more offensive role, but he has proven this season that he really can only shoot, while his ice vision is mediocre which then makes him completely one dimensional. (just a scorer)

To see what happens to perimeter scorers who are ONLY good at shooting please see Marion Gaborik. Inconsistent scoring, poor defensive play, floating waiting for someone to pass them the puck, and lack of hustle to get back on the play.

Lavy is probably trying to teach him to be a complete hockey player.

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But what sense does it make to try to make a purely offensive player play defense?

What good is Zherdev, really, if he plays decently defensively but doesn't contribute anything offensively?

For a guy like him to go every game with 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, but playing adequate defense just doesn't cut it.

We got Z for one reason and one reason only---to be a major threat on offense.

His skills are being misused.
He and the rest of the team is expected to increase his level of play when others go down. The funny thing is, he has done just that. It's not up to the coach to create a special spot for his players, they have to step in and do things that may be out of their comfort zones. Z has done that, probably better than anyone on the team during the playoffs. They are not misusing his skills, they are getting him to play more of a 2 way game. He isn't a god on defense but he's backchecking and hitting people and I applaud him for it. Had he played that way all season he wouldn't have been put on waivers.

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05-02-2011, 01:16 PM
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We allready have one of those players who doesnt know how to play defense and is a MAJOR offensive threat, he goes by the name of Danny Briere. The problem is this team cant have more than one player leaving the defence hanging out to dry. I agree that Zherdev could be put in a more offensive role, but he has proven this season that he really can only shoot, while his ice vision is mediocre which then makes him completely one dimensional. (just a scorer)

To see what happens to perimeter scorers who are ONLY good at shooting please see Marion Gaborik. Inconsistent scoring, poor defensive play, floating waiting for someone to pass them the puck, and lack of hustle to get back on the play.

Lavy is probably trying to teach him to be a complete hockey player.
Z is only good at shooting?

Wow. So all of those on the tape passes he makes are just an illusion?

The way he sets up less skilled teammates is a mirage?

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He and the rest of the team is expected to increase his level of play when others go down. The funny thing is, he has done just that. It's not up to the coach to create a special spot for his players, they have to step in and do things that may be out of their comfort zones. Z has done that, probably better than anyone on the team during the playoffs. They are not misusing his skills, they are getting him to play more of a 2 way game. He isn't a god on defense but he's backchecking and hitting people and I applaud him for it. Had he played that way all season he wouldn't have been put on waivers.
Agree with a lot of what you're saying.

However, if he would have come out and scored 3 goals against the Bruins in game 1 but played no defense would anyone have really cared?

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Agree with a lot of what you're saying.

However, if he would have come out and scored 3 goals against the Bruins in game 1 but played no defense would anyone have really cared?
How many players get a hatty in the playoffs? Have you not noticed that most games are low scoring? There are a few anomalies but in the playoffs, defense is what wins. Look at Briere, everyone gets excited because he scores but he put in one goal and was on the ice for 2 in the first period. It doesn't even out. Unfortunately, people who are big on hockey pools/fantasy leagues/video games don't understand the importance of defense.

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Agree with a lot of what you're saying.

However, if he would have come out and scored 3 goals against the Bruins in game 1 but played no defense would anyone have really cared?
Did he?

If he was popping off like that you could forgive a lot of sins (look no further than no-D Briere)... he doesn't bring that to the table with anywhere near the consistency to justify himself without playing some D.

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Did he?

If he was popping off like that you could forgive a lot of sins (look no further than no-D Briere)... he doesn't bring that to the table with anywhere near the consistency to justify himself without playing some D.
But he's being misused.

He should be on the PP a lot more than he's been not just the last 20 or 30 seconds of it.

He should be looked to for breakouts.

It's funny all this criticism coming Z's way, yet, Versteeg floats more than anyone and nobody says a word about him.

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But he's being misused.

He should be on the PP a lot more than he's been not just the last 20 or 30 seconds of it.

He should be looked to for breakouts.
He should have earned his minutes, then. He's on a line with Giroux, btw, the "he's being misused" line doesn't really fly.

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Yes, Versteeg has been devoid of criticism... haven't seen a lick of it... or lots of people talking about trading him away.

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He should have earned his minutes, then. He's on a line with Giroux, btw, the "he's being misused" line doesn't really fly.
How many times do I have to explain this? Are you thick or just obtuse? 20 or 30 seconds of the PP is not using him properly. He needs more to be effective.

Giroux is a great playmaker but if you're really watching this series then you know that he isn't looking for Z specifically. Now, whether that's due to lack of confidence in Z, as some have stated in here already, or it's a lack of chemistry, whatever, Z's skills have not been exploited to our advantage.

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Yes, Versteeg has been devoid of criticism... haven't seen a lick of it... or lots of people talking about trading him away.
Not as half as much as Z is getting.

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I am obviously not stating anything that is obvious but when Zherdev plays like he did last series he is good for the team, but game 1 he started pulling the familiar ole Jeff Carter peel off the man with the puck forecheck. The Bruins defense is horrible moving the puck out of their own zone, to be successful they need to finish the checks and make the defense make bad passes.

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Montreal exposed a huge weakness of the Bruins--speed.

Speed kills Boston.

Perfect for a guy like Z.

We need to utilize Z much better than we have been.

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Montreal exposed a huge weakness of the Bruins--speed.

Speed kills Boston.

Perfect for a guy like Z.

We need to utilize Z much better than we have been.
The key to beating Boston is to trap them in their own zone, not look for homerun passes. You get in and finish the checks, cycle the puck in deep, and sustain pressure. That means you have to be committed to skating hard and getting the body on guys.

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