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04-26-2011, 11:34 PM
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Andy McDonald to Buffalo

We've got draft picks, young forwards, young defensemen, a great goalie prospect (doubt you'd be interested in that, though)....

What would this take?

The only people who aren't available would be Myers, Vanek, Miller, and Roy (because we can't afford to lose any more centers).

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04-27-2011, 12:06 AM
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I just don't see us getting rid of McDonald. He's signed for 2 more years at a cap hit that we almost need to reach the cap floor. Plus, you'd have to give back something like Vanek for the Blues to not take a step backwards. As you've said yourself, it won't happen.

Who were you thinking about dealing?

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I just don't see us getting rid of McDonald. He's signed for 2 more years at a cap hit that we almost need to reach the cap floor. Plus, you'd have to give back something like Vanek for the Blues to not take a step backwards. As you've said yourself, it won't happen.

Who were you thinking about dealing?
If reaching the cap floor is going to be a issue, you can take Jason Pominville.

Our best bargaining chip is Tyler Ennis and I would be rather happy to deal him. Then if you need salary... we can give you Boyes back? Maybe someone like Pominville. Then feel free to take a prospect (Luke Adam was AHL rookie of the year, one of our many young D).

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I just don't see us trading McDonald.

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04-27-2011, 12:41 AM
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I would actually consider something around McDonald for Ennis and Adams. Probably asking for Sekera also would be too much.

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I would actually consider something around McDonald for Ennis and Adams. Probably asking for Sekera also would be too much.
I think that would be considered for sure.

Ennis, Adam and Sekera would be doable if there was something coming back with McDonald. If not Sekera there's also Chris Butler, Mike Weber, and M-A Gragnani. We have a glut of young defensemen.

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I don't see much of a fit here. IMO, the biggest holes that Buffalo has are exactly the same as the ones the Blues have...a top centerman and a veteran defenseman.

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I think that would be considered for sure.

Ennis, Adam and Sekera would be doable if there was something coming back with McDonald. If not Sekera there's also Chris Butler, Mike Weber, and M-A Gragnani. We have a glut of young defensemen.
Id love to see Butler playing in STL

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If reaching the cap floor is going to be a issue, you can take Jason Pominville.

Our best bargaining chip is Tyler Ennis and I would be rather happy to deal him. Then if you need salary... we can give you Boyes back? Maybe someone like Pominville. Then feel free to take a prospect (Luke Adam was AHL rookie of the year, one of our many young D).

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So you would trade Ennis, Adam, and Pominville for Andy McDonald?

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So you would trade Ennis, Adam, and Pominville for Andy McDonald?
agreed

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I think that would be considered for sure.

Ennis, Adam and Sekera would be doable if there was something coming back with McDonald. If not Sekera there's also Chris Butler, Mike Weber, and M-A Gragnani. We have a glut of young defensemen.
McDonald and Buffalo's second-round pick in 2011 to Buffalo

Tyler Ennis, Luke Adam and Chris Butler to St. Louis.

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McDonald and Buffalo's second-round pick in 2011 to Buffalo

Tyler Ennis, Luke Adam and Chris Butler to St. Louis.
Pass.

Take Luke and one of Butler/Ennis and throw in a draft pick.

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There is literally 0% chance that both Ennis and Adam are moved in a deal for a player of Andy McDonald's caliber.

If the Blues are interested in something around Butler we could make something work, though.

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I think that would be considered for sure.

Ennis, Adam and Sekera would be doable if there was something coming back with McDonald. If not Sekera there's also Chris Butler, Mike Weber, and M-A Gragnani. We have a glut of young defensemen.
That something gotta be something big.

McDonald is one of my favourite players and imo one of the most underrated forwards in the NHL.

However, Ennis and Sekera should both have quite much value. As a Ducks fan I'd love to have Sekera, if we didn't already have guys like Fowler and Sbisa I'd be willing to give up quite much to get a young defenseman like him.

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We've got draft picks, young forwards, young defensemen, a great goalie prospect (doubt you'd be interested in that, though)....

What would this take?

The only people who aren't available would be Myers, Vanek, Miller, and Roy (because we can't afford to lose any more centers).
why andy mcdonald? why would you be willing to trade a package including the likes of ennis, adam, sekera for him? are we talking about the same andy mcdonald who hasnt played a full 82 game schedule since 06-07 (played 79 games last year but wasnt overwhelming with 57 points and a -9 +/-)

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Why do Buffalo fans want to trade Ennis?

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Why do Buffalo fans want to trade Ennis?
A few want. I don't.

Not for a 33-year old Andy McDonald anyway (as good as a player he is now, there is a good chance Ennis will be better than him in 2 or 3 years). And surely not by adding Adam and Sekera.

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Why do Buffalo fans want to trade Ennis?
Most of us don't want to trade him. We'll see this silliness all summer, where Sabres fans offer overpayments just to get a top-6 center. Trading Ennis, Adam, and another young player like Butler really hurts the team both now and especially in the future.

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The Blues don't really want to be getting any younger. However a package of Ennis and Butler would be very difficult to say no to. Judging from the other Sabres fans replies, it doesn't seem that deal would work from their perspective?

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Even if McDonald struggles to play the full 82 game season... despite that he's our most consistent point producer. He's the veteran that all our offensive players build around, he makes his shots count, makes the smartest pass to get good scoring chances instead of just forcing the play.

Giving him up means we'd want a serious defensive upgrade or a true LW who can out perform him goals wise or stay healthier to eclipse his average point totals. When Perron comes back we have a super crowded top 6 (unless someone has a terrible year top 9) that may allow for someone to be dealt. For roster players, not potential, and definitely not futures.

That said there's obviously no chance we package into getting Vanek, and there's no one on the Sabre's blue line that has similar trade value and similar consistency in a top line / top pairing role. So I doubt there's a legit hockey trade to be made.

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What's the fascination with Butler? The fact that he's a home-town boy?

He doesn't crack the Blues top 7 right now, and out of the four young Buffalo defensemen mentioned in this thread he's one of the least interesting. Certainly one of the least advanced.

More to the point, the Blues aren't moving McDonald for young wingers/defensemen with upside who still have plenty of developing to do. They have those in spades already.

Also, and this is purely speculation, I'm not sure Ennis would hold a great deal of interest to an organization that has shown a desire to be bigger and more physical up front.

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What's the fascination with Butler? The fact that he's a home-town boy?

He doesn't crack the Blues top 7 right now, and out of the four young Buffalo defensemen mentioned in this thread he's one of the least interesting. Certainly one of the least advanced.

More to the point, the Blues aren't moving McDonald for young wingers/defensemen with upside who still have plenty of developing to do. They have those in spades already.

Also, and this is purely speculation, I'm not sure Ennis would hold a great deal of interest to an organization that has shown a desire to be bigger and more physical up front.
Well put sir. My thoughts exactly!

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Why do Buffalo fans want to trade Ennis?
Nobody really WANTS to trade Ennis, but the fact is that you have to give to get.

Buffalo needs a top-6 center who can produce. Ennis could become awesome but is unproven. He's our most tradeable asset, unfortunately.

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Nobody really WANTS to trade Ennis, but the fact is that you have to give to get.

Buffalo needs a top-6 center who can produce. Ennis could become awesome but is unproven. He's our most tradeable asset, unfortunately.
Unproven? I suppose in the sense that he's barely old enough to drink legally in the States. But that's about it. He's "proven" he can score at this level despite his size. He has 58 pts in 92 games. He's already a bona fide 2nd line player in the NHL and he isn't close to reaching his prime yet.

Trading a player like Ennis--as part of a package, no less--for a 34 yr old with injury issues is the type of trade that gets a GM canned. You just don't make that trade. Ever.

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