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04-29-2011, 01:53 AM
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man, if he could play like this all the time...

or if he doesn't i don't care, as long as he keeps bringing it in the playoffs
i care, a lot...

his playoff play both years has been nothing short of great, but his regular season play both years has been average at best (at least for a 6M$ top line winger with the talent/ability he clearly has).

He wasn't signed to be a modern-day claude lemieux, he was signed to be productive all year round.

Had Cammy played with the same focus/determination/intensity (whatever it was that he channeled in the playoffs), then the habs win more games in the regular season, and probably end up with home-ice for at least the opening round.

home-ice is a clear advantage in the playoffs, especially when it comes to game 7's, where every little bit counts.

I can be fine with a depth player who saves his best for the playoffs, but not a front-line player.

Cammy needs to give this club more during the regular season, there is no reason that he shouldn't be a ppg player consistently.

love the playoff performance, but once again it leaves us with greater expectations for next season, let's hope he lives up to them in 2011-2012

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04-29-2011, 04:02 AM
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i care, a lot...

his playoff play both years has been nothing short of great, but his regular season play both years has been average at best (at least for a 6M$ top line winger with the talent/ability he clearly has).

He wasn't signed to be a modern-day claude lemieux, he was signed to be productive all year round.

Had Cammy played with the same focus/determination/intensity (whatever it was that he channeled in the playoffs), then the habs win more games in the regular season, and probably end up with home-ice for at least the opening round.

home-ice is a clear advantage in the playoffs, especially when it comes to game 7's, where every little bit counts.

I can be fine with a depth player who saves his best for the playoffs, but not a front-line player.

Cammy needs to give this club more during the regular season, there is no reason that he shouldn't be a ppg player consistently.

love the playoff performance, but once again it leaves us with greater expectations for next season, let's hope he lives up to them in 2011-2012
They're are very few consistant point per game players in the NHL, expecting that from Cammaleri isn't reasonable. Averaging his production from every game as a Hab, he paces for 31.7 goals and 65.4 points per 82 games, which is solid production for a top line winger.


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04-29-2011, 07:56 AM
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They're are very few consistant point per game players in the NHL, expecting that from Cammaleri isn't reasonable. Averaging his production from every game as a Hab, he paces for 31.7 goals and 65.4 points per 82 games, which is solid production for a top line winger.
correction ..top 6 forward

he is not a top line winger

Sedin...Iginla.....ST.Louis are

not Cammy ...sorry bro

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04-29-2011, 05:06 PM
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correction ..top 6 forward

he is not a top line winger

Sedin...Iginla.....ST.Louis are

not Cammy ...sorry bro
Don't confuse 'top line winger' with 'superstar.'

Cammy isn't a superstar but he's definitely a legit top liner. As I said earlier, he was hurt all year long so I give him a mulligan this year. But he's around a 40 goal man when healthy, that certainly qualifies him as a good first liner.

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04-29-2011, 05:21 PM
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32 goals and 65 points are easily enough production to be considered a top line player. Production like that will typically put you in at least the top 60 of forwards and top 15 of left wingers. If that isn't a top line winger then you must have confused the definition with that of an allstar. The guys you named are all of franchise player calibre.

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04-30-2011, 02:44 PM
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I think we can all agree that...

Cammy is a keeper !



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04-30-2011, 04:05 PM
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Wheres ReenMachine with his absurd hate for Cammalleri now??

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I'd like a 30-40 goal scorer too but the regular season means nothing, this guy brings it in the playoffs.

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I'd like a 30-40 goal scorer too but the regular season means nothing, this guy brings it in the playoffs.
Given an injury free season next year I'd say he's a better than even chance to score at least 30.

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04-30-2011, 05:14 PM
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I'd like a 30-40 goal scorer too but the regular season means nothing, this guy brings it in the playoffs.
Well, to get to the playoffs you need goals in the regular season.

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Don't confuse 'top line winger' with 'superstar.'

Cammy isn't a superstar but he's definitely a legit top liner. As I said earlier, he was hurt all year long so I give him a mulligan this year. But he's around a 40 goal man when healthy, that certainly qualifies him as a good first liner.
bro I dont care what he could be ...bottom line is he isnt a first line player

franchise dudes are Crosby and Ovechkin

front liners are Nash...Richards..Iginla...etc

bro he isnt in that class ...he has averaged about 60-65 points

bro thats not a front liner .... A SOLID TOP 6

put it together for 2-3 years ....then you are a front liner

we have NONE

Price and Subban in time will be front liners at their position

Kane....Towes...Keith are front liners

Sedins and Luongo are front liners

Ovy...Backstrom are front liners

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bro I dont care what he could be ...bottom line is he isnt a first line player

franchise dudes are Crosby and Ovechkin

front liners are Nash...Richards..Iginla...etc

bro he isnt in that class ...he has averaged about 60-65 points

bro thats not a front liner .... A SOLID TOP 6

put it together for 2-3 years ....then you are a front liner

we have NONE

Price and Subban in time will be front liners at their position

Kane....Towes...Keith are front liners

Sedins and Luongo are front liners

Ovy...Backstrom are front liners
Cammy can absolutely be a first line winger. He has cracked 80 pts twice in his career, and would average more than 60 pts with us if he didn't get injured both seasons and if we were a higher scoring team. He's the kind of player who is an excellent complement to a bona fide first line center. (could you imagine Crosby with Cammy on his wing?)

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bro I dont care what he could be ...bottom line is he isnt a first line player

franchise dudes are Crosby and Ovechkin

front liners are Nash...Richards..Iginla...etc

bro he isnt in that class ...he has averaged about 60-65 points

bro thats not a front liner .... A SOLID TOP 6

put it together for 2-3 years ....then you are a front liner

we have NONE

Price and Subban in time will be front liners at their position

Kane....Towes...Keith are front liners

Sedins and Luongo are front liners

Ovy...Backstrom are front liners
In this thread: We learn you have ridiculous definitions for what you consider a front line player. To most people it means a player being an integral part of a teams top offensive unit without that being a big detriment to teams success. Historically 60 points over a full season (or better put, 0.75 points per game) without being defensively incompetant is the mark of such a player.

The players you call front liners ("front liners are Nash...Richards..Iginla...etc") are their teams franchise players (or sharing the title in the case of an extraordinarily deep powerhouse team like Philadelphia). By the way, during the years Cammalleri was a Hab, Nash has averaged .88 PPG while Richards has averaged 0.79. Neither has cracked 70 points in a season. Including playoffs, Cammaleri has averaged 0.80 points per game, without playoffs 0.74. For seasons averaging ~1.00 points per game, Cammalleri has two, Richards has two, Nash has one. The diffence in production from them and Cammaleri is far less than you make it out to be.

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