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04-28-2011, 07:12 AM
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Breaking...Flyers tanked to get JVR

Not exactly how I remember that season.

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James van Riemsdyk was a difference maker in this series for the Flyers. He’s another example of what can happen when a perennial good team has a down year and is willing to tank. Picked 2nd overall just a few years ago, he’s going to be a star. The Sabres’ unwillingness to bottom out when they’re bad keeps guys like that out of the system.
http://3rdmanin.wordpress.com/2011/0...dition-game-7/

(In case you still had a shred of respect for Sabres fans.)

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04-28-2011, 07:15 AM
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I'd be salty too if I lived in Buffalo and just had my favorite team gang banged by the bullies!

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In other news, the Flyers are the dirtiest team the NHL has seen in the last 30 years.
Also they dive a lot.

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Sounds to me like he's more disappointed that Buffalo didn't tank themselves and was just using JvR as an example.

Either way, I don't understand why most Buffalo fans would be so upset about this series. Their time isn't now but they have a bright future and a new owner who is willing to spend the money to make them competitive.

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04-28-2011, 07:54 AM
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More like the team played like crap and decided to move pieces for prospects etc and wound up last and then bounced back.

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04-28-2011, 08:10 AM
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It's funny hearing that excuse, because the Flyers have been suffering from that for ages. JVR was pretty much the highest draft pick the Flyers have ever had, if I recall correctly. MSE, maybe you can enlighten us?

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04-28-2011, 08:20 AM
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It's funny hearing that excuse, because the Flyers have been suffering from that for ages. JVR was pretty much the highest draft pick the Flyers have ever had, if I recall correctly. MSE, maybe you can enlighten us?
Lindros was a #1 overall, but we traded for him.

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"The Flyers are one of the few teams to have never earned the right to draft first overall by means of having the worst record in the league. The only first overall pick the Flyers have ever used was in 1975 when the defending Stanley Cup champions traded up to select Mel Bridgman."

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04-28-2011, 08:23 AM
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Lindros was a #1 overall, but we traded for him.

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"The Flyers are one of the few teams to have never earned the right to draft first overall by means of having the worst record in the league. The only first overall pick the Flyers have ever used was in 1975 when the defending Stanley Cup champions traded up to select Mel Bridgman."
Well, we should have had the 1st overall in 2007 because we did have the worst record. Regardless, we're one of the most consistently good teams in the league. Buffalo has no right to *****.

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04-28-2011, 09:18 AM
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LMFAO... seriously?

Meanwhile teams like Pittsburgh, who were one of the perrenial bottom teams, have basically put together a core of top 5 picks and the Flyers, who had ONE bad year are being labeled as "tanking" that season?

Let's not even forget last season's winner, Chicago, who cheaped out the pre-lockout days on purpose because the owner was a POS!

They act like JVR was an overnight success... not Philly's fault the Sabres' front office didn't throw money at Briere four years ago. Get over yourselves, Buffalo!


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04-28-2011, 09:53 AM
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It's funny hearing that excuse, because the Flyers have been suffering from that for ages. JVR was pretty much the highest draft pick the Flyers have ever had, if I recall correctly. MSE, maybe you can enlighten us?
Mel Bridgman was a #1 overall pick and the only higher pick than JVR (#2). That came as a result because of a trade with Washington. Ron Sutter, Mike Ricci and Joni Pitkanen were all #4s. I think those were the only top fives in the post-Cup years.

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Traded for the Joni Pitkanen pick as well.

I can *sort of* see the point the article is making, due to the fact that once that season was beyond salvaging we traded Forsberg to stock up for the future. The writer does state that the Flyers are a perennially good team who had one bad year.

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Mel Bridgman was a #1 overall pick and the only higher pick than JVR (#2). That came as a result because of a trade with Washington. Ron Sutter, Mike Ricci and Joni Pitkanen were all #4s. I think those were the only top fives in the post-Cup years.
Thanks for digging that up. I discounted Lindros since he was acquired via trade. Didn't know about Bridgman. Pitkanen's pick was also acquired via trade. Just goes to show that the Flyers have really consistently been that good.

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Traded for the Joni Pitkanen pick as well.
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Thanks for digging that up. I discounted Lindros since he was acquired via trade. Didn't know about Bridgman. Pitkanen's pick was also acquired via trade. Just goes to show that the Flyers have really consistently been that good.
When the Flyers made the trade to move up and eventually draft Pitkanen, the hope was that Kari Lehtonen would still be on the board at #4.

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Us? Tank? No. That doesn't fly with Ed Snider. We were just that bad that year. Had a coach (Hitch) who didn't like young kids and we had a lot of them. Had two pylons on defense in Rathje and Hatcher. Forsberg saga going on. A lot of injuries. If we were tankers, we would have been that way for 4 years or so like PIT so we get top draft picks like they did.

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We did far from tank. At the trade deadline we actually built ourselves quite a competative team with the deals of biron, coburn, upshall, parent, getting the first rounders ect. Homer was pretty much ruthless at that dealine, and produced some of the finest GM moves the league has seen, putting us in a great position to aquire kimmo, hartnell, jason smith, lupul and briere.

We were just so horrifically bad before the dealine, that we couldn't make up any ground. Then we got punished further for actively trying to get off bottom by landing the 2 overall in the lottery ****.

Funny that eh. Talk about sour ****ing grapes. Learn to take a loss you ****** bags

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Traded for the Joni Pitkanen pick as well.

I can *sort of* see the point the article is making, due to the fact that once that season was beyond salvaging we traded Forsberg to stock up for the future. The writer does state that the Flyers are a perennially good team who had one bad year.
I'm sure the writer was just making an off the cuff arguement and that seeing JVR in action makes Buffalo fans irritated that they are never "bad enough" to get a premiere player.

But besides that terrible season, the Flyers front office has proven that it can still build a competitive team without needing those high draft picks. Like I said above, that same year, Buffalo told Briere to take a hike instead of giving him another contract and look what happened, they missed the playoffs.

The Flyers had one bad year, mostly because their core players were pre-lockout types... and to point out your comment above, this team was far and beyond eliminated from seeing the playoffs before making that Forsberg trade.

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04-28-2011, 11:56 AM
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All I know is, at one point our top line consisted of Ryan Poltuny and Stefan Ruzicka.. and its not like we did it on purpose. So may players got hurt that year, and we had so many problems. From Forsberg always being hurt, to Joni crying 24/7, to trading for Todd f'ing Fedoruk, to having a Eshe/Nitty goaltending combo (lol Eshe). This team had a TON of problems.

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04-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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those Sabre team writers over at hockeybuzz arent all that bright. of course this clown who wrote this isnt as bad as Garth.

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I think we got that first pick overall in the 70s for none other than Bill Clement.

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When the Flyers made the trade to move up and eventually draft Pitkanen, the hope was that Kari Lehtonen would still be on the board at #4.
Ouch. There's one I wish the Flyers brass could take a Mulligan on.

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Sounds to me like he's more disappointed that Buffalo didn't tank themselves and was just using JvR as an example.

Either way, I don't understand why most Buffalo fans would be so upset about this series. Their time isn't now but they have a bright future and a new owner who is willing to spend the money to make them competitive.
We didn't tank...but if we did, it was for Kane, not JVR. We had the worst record in the league that year and STILL didn't get the top pick.

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We had one bad year, but aside from that we've been a pretty consistent team in terms of making the playoffs every year for the past 16 years (but one of course), it's not like we tanked year after year like Pittsburgh and Chicago to get higher draft picks. A lot of our success is through FA signings and growth development of our core players.

I find it hilarious actually how people don't understand why were allowed to have this much depth. It's kind of like Detroit in the sense that they have a lot of depth, but goal tending isn't amazing for them (let's be honest they got lucky with Howard, and even he's struggling for them). Chicago had the chance of doing the same and becoming a dynasty, but Tallon screwed that over for them.

Honestly, I'm just really sick of hearing about Buffalo; you lost, move one, get over it like sheesh.


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Ouch. There's one I wish the Flyers brass could take a Mulligan on.
Worked out well for the Canes.

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Worked out well for the Canes.
That's exactly what I thought when I looked up the '02 draft. Hindsight and all, but damn...Cam Ward at #25?

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