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05-02-2011, 02:47 PM
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How good he was, or how good he is?

Because the latter we don't really know. I would hate to see Markov play anywhere besides Montreal, but he is a gamble and we cannot bet next season on his health.
The real gamble is betting AGAINST Markov's recovery...

I think it's an even bigger gamble to think he can't still be a top player in this league

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The real gamble is betting AGAINST Markov's recovery...

I think it's an even bigger gamble to think he can't still be a top player in this league
But as always, overwhelming fear takes over logic.

Justin Williams had the same injury and same operation as Markov and he had his best career season. When Markov injured his knee the first time, he didn't get the same treatment as Williams and has he did this time around. First time around, he had a graft from his own body which isn't natural. This time around, he got a deadman's transplant, so it's the same ligament, at the natural place for that ligament to be, which has much better results.

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We've seen where we can be in a season without Markov where Subban takes control (and he was only given a green light in January). We should have the available room to accomodate everyone we need to accomodate in defense with Markov in our plans, what do we stand to lose? If Markov is healthy and we get a full season of him, then we have two #1 defenseman on our blueline. If he's hurt? We'll get whatever his salary is in LTIR and we can do whatever see fit with that salary. We don't stand to lose anything.

The only thing I'll add from here is that Gauthier needs to keep Markov. What kind of deal he offers up, well this is how I would look at it from a GM's perspective. Give him a 1 yr deal worth exactly what his last deal was worth, guarantee him a contract should he play 90% of the season. Or you simply offer him a 7-8 year deal with a bargain cap hit (Think 4M). Worst case he retires from injury and no one is on the hook for anything.

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What a horribily written article.

So he starts with saying Montreal will not sign Markov unless his contract is significantly less.

Then he finishes it by saying that Markov should go to the KHL because they will offer him more money.

Geezus christ, even his speculation is based on speculation.

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You negotiate and offer Markov around 5 million a season. We cannot afford to not have him.

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But as always, overwhelming fear takes over logic.

Justin Williams had the same injury and same operation as Markov and he had his best career season. When Markov injured his knee the first time, he didn't get the same treatment as Williams and has he did this time around. First time around, he had a graft from his own body which isn't natural. This time around, he got a deadman's transplant, so it's the same ligament, at the natural place for that ligament to be, which has much better results.
It's 2011 and Markov is an athlete in tip top shape who works extremely hard during the rehab process. There's no reason to think he can't still be a great player even with the knee surgeries.

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I really want Markov back but if we toss out alot of money and he goes on to get hurt every year i'm going to snap. I don't like the way the guy falls, none of the hits were that bad, it's got to be something with the way he falls down, which would lead you to believe these injuries could happen again

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If Markov is gonna be greedy he can go f himself considering he has collected 12 million for playing about 60 out of 200 games the past 2 seasons.

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05-02-2011, 03:38 PM
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Can't wait for Markov to blow everyones minds away again and all the haters disappear as they did with Price, Pacioretty and occasionally Kostitsyn (lol depends what Kostitsyn is playing)

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Someone will give Markov the money he asks for if not more in the NHL on the open market. If he goes to the KHL, it's because he wants to go back to Russia. After just getting his Canadian citizenship I strongly doubt he had any plans on going back to Russia any time soon.

Maybe he was thinking of the other Andrei, as in Andrei Kostitsyn. He's a restricted free agent. If the Habs offer him like 1.5mil I won't be surprised if he'd take the KHL route.

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And the award for dumbest article of the off season goes to..
It rates right up there with the Bertrand Raymond article about the Wiz being the same as MAB.

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Markov, Gorges and Subban are all capable of playing well over 20 min/game on a regular basis. If there's anytime to take a 2-3 year gamble on Markov its now before Gorges and Subban command the high salaries they will get.

This isn't Souray or Komisarek here. If we let Markov go for under $5.5M, its a major blow to our chances in the next few years.

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Markov, Gorges and Subban are all capable of playing well over 20 min/game on a regular basis. If there's anytime to take a 2-3 year gamble on Markov its now before Gorges and Subban command the high salaries they will get.

This isn't Souray or Komisarek here. If we let Markov go for under $5.5M, its a major blow to our chances in the next few years.
Unless we sign someone like Erhoff . But i doubt he gets anywhere near FA.

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Unless we sign someone like Erhoff . But i doubt he gets anywhere near FA.
We have space for both Markov and Ehrhoff. With Hamr out. When Spacek leaves, the extra money goes to Subban.

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Red Fisher should retire.
20years ago...

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I doubt Markov officially becomes a Canadian citizen, just to bolt for the KHL shortly after. Simply put, if Montreal doesn't offer him a contract, quite a few teams out there will.

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I doubt Markov officially becomes a Canadian citizen, just to bolt for the KHL shortly after. Simply put, if Montreal doesn't offer him a contract, quite a few teams out there will.
Honestly I think this point is kind of Mute. If you're eligible for any citizenship anywhere in the world then you take it regardless if you plan to spend the next 5-10 years there or not.

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05-02-2011, 06:26 PM
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Montreal should give Markov a similar contract that Pronger got .
Cap Hit: $4.921 million.
2010-11: $7.6 million.
2011-12: $7.6 million.
2012-13: $7.2 million.
2013-14: $7.0 million.
2014-15: $4.0 million.
2015-16: $525,000.
2016-17: $525,000.
2017-18: UFA

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Montreal should give Markov a similar contract that Pronger got .
Cap Hit: $4.921 million.
2010-11: $7.6 million.
2011-12: $7.6 million.
2012-13: $7.2 million.
2013-14: $7.0 million.
2014-15: $4.0 million.
2015-16: $525,000.
2016-17: $525,000.
2017-18: UFA
When a player gets the same injury twice in a row, the insurances don't pay anymore.

I love Markov, but 5M is not much of a pay cut for a guy getting that kind of length. I'd expect an average maybe 1M lower if he gets a 7 year deal. I just don't see the point to bend over backwards like this. We'd be taking all the risks.

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Montreal should give Markov a similar contract that Pronger got .
Cap Hit: $4.921 million.
2010-11: $7.6 million.
2011-12: $7.6 million.
2012-13: $7.2 million.
2013-14: $7.0 million.
2014-15: $4.0 million.
2015-16: $525,000.
2016-17: $525,000.
2017-18: UFA
The league will investigate ...

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The league will investigate ...
I don't think they would. The deal would take Markov to 39, not beyond 40.

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Where the heck is Markov anyways? We heard from Gorges after the Habs were eliminated but not a peep from Markov. He does have a letter, it would have been interesting to hear his take.

That being said, I love the General and would be very disappointed not to see him back with the Habs next year.

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Montreal should give Markov a similar contract that Pronger got .
Cap Hit: $4.921 million.
2010-11: $7.6 million.
2011-12: $7.6 million.
2012-13: $7.2 million.
2013-14: $7.0 million.
2014-15: $4.0 million.
2015-16: $525,000.
2016-17: $525,000.
2017-18: UFA
He hasn't played all of this season and little of last. Can we please not sign him to a 7 year deal without knowing the state of his knee.

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Honestly I think this point is kind of Mute. If you're eligible for any citizenship anywhere in the world then you take it regardless if you plan to spend the next 5-10 years there or not.
I disagree with that. Why would he go through all the paperwork and the Hassle of all of that just to leave the Habs the next year. I really think that he will stay in Montreal.

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