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05-06-2011, 09:20 AM
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gotta spend the money on Wiz and Markov. Find a way. We cannot let another offensive d-man slip away. They'll end up paying for it in the long run with picks and players when they find they'll need one. Might as well do it now.

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05-06-2011, 09:42 AM
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gotta spend the money on Wiz and Markov. Find a way. We cannot let another offensive d-man slip away. They'll end up paying for it in the long run with picks and players when they find they'll need one. Might as well do it now.
I absolutely agree, I believe a healthy Markov is the better overall Dman but Wiz is the better PP QB.

Dare I say a top 3 of Markov, Wiz & PK would rival the Big 3 of the 70's


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05-06-2011, 10:30 AM
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I absolutely agree, I believe when healthy Markov is the better overall Dman but Wiz is the better PP QB.

Dare I say a top 3 of Markov, Wiz & PK would rival the Big 3 of the 70's
Add to this Gill and Gorges has defensive specialist + Hammer and we have a decent defence (get rid of Spacek)

It's all about money

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05-06-2011, 10:32 AM
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Do we want an addition in the top 6 Offense or a solid defence

I prefer solid defence

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05-06-2011, 11:05 AM
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Word is, the Bruins are not gonna sign Kaberle and go hard after Wiz. He's expressed an interest in the past about signing with them. lulz

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05-06-2011, 11:29 AM
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To me, making an offer to Wisniewski would depend on whether a deal is reached with Emelin. With Emelin aboard I'd say no. I think Emelin is a better Dman. I wouldn't worry too much about Wisniewski's signing with the Bruins because he has exploitable weaknesses as well as strengths.

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05-06-2011, 11:35 AM
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I absolutely agree, I believe a healthy Markov is the better overall Dman but Wiz is the better PP QB.

Dare I say a top 3 of Markov, Wiz & PK would rival the Big 3 of the 70's
I'm relieved you added that emoticon.

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05-06-2011, 11:57 AM
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To me, making an offer to Wisniewski would depend on whether a deal is reached with Emelin. With Emelin aboard I'd say no. I think Emelin is a better Dman. I wouldn't worry too much about Wisniewski's signing with the Bruins because he has exploitable weaknesses as well as strengths.
That post has to be a joke, right? You can't be comparing a 50 point NHL dman to a KHL defensive defensmen prospect....

It's not very complicated, Wiz get Hammer's money and we still have cap space.

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05-06-2011, 12:00 PM
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TBH I think the offense did a good job this year; there weren't a lot of games where we lost 1-0 because our offense couldn't get going. It's a very good group that has some problems getting into the zone, has one bad contract (that might rebound! ) but seems to get the job done.

Our defense could stand to be better. With Gorges back, and potentially Markov back, that's a huge boost but if we have extra money, I'd invest it here. If we don't sign somebody in the off season for forwards, what's the worst that happens, Ryan White plays? If we don't sign somebody on defense and Markov goes down, we go scrambling for another D on the deadline.

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05-06-2011, 12:02 PM
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Trade Spacek, sign both.

Markov-Wiz
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05-06-2011, 12:26 PM
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Well said. Don't forget the trade to get Schneider either.

If we don't sign Wisniewski, we will be regretting it in November and trading another 2nd round pick away to get a similar mould dman.
Exactly.

Since letting Streit go, the cost to acquire an offensive D to shore up the PP has been two 2nds, a 3rd and a 5th, plus a year where we endured Bergeron as a defenseman.

The cost to replace Gorges with stay-at-home types was 4th and 5th round picks.

Sign both Wiz and Markov. Even if Markov is signed there has to be a contingency plan in case he has another catastrophic injury. But if he does go down, the team could if needed trade a low prospect/pick to get another Sopel/Mara type player to round out the top 6 vs spending real assets acquiring an offensive guy.

If the man really liked his experience in Montreal then get him signed. It's not like Montreal is going to be a prime target for a lot of the other FA's out there.

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05-06-2011, 01:22 PM
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You are not comparing apples to apples.

First Komisarek's contract is a cap hit of 4.5 mil, but it's front loaded a bit so he made more the first 2 years...we can do that if the player wants that.

Second, Komisarek is and was overpaid at the time, that's why Gainey walked away and rightfully so. If Komisarek was a UFA this July 1st he would be lucky to get 2.5 mil.

Third, at 4.5 mil wisniewski would be giving the club a home town discount because he might be able to make more as a uFA, players do taht if they like it somewhere.

Fourth, this is a deep year for skilled d-men UFA's(at least potentially) with Markov Wisniewski Kaberle Ehrhoff Pitkanen McCabe Jovanovski plus guys like White Bieksa Brewer Hamrlik Hannan Wallin Hejda Montador Ericsson etc. Hvaing taht many potential UFA's has to impact those guys' value much like it did Halak's tarde value with a lot of UFA goalies last year.
1) I'm aware Komisarek's cap hit is 4.5M$. That's why I'm saying Wiz's gonna be 5M$.

2) Komi's overpaid. And chances are, there are teams out there ready to overpay for Wiz as well.

3) 5M$ is already with "home discount" See #2.

4) Maybe. But there are never too many good Ds in the market.

Let's be realistic, Mark Streit signed his 4.1M$/season contract when he was 31 years old. Wiz is younger and better. No way 4.5M$/season.

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05-06-2011, 01:35 PM
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1) I'm aware Komisarek's cap hit is 4.5M$. That's why I'm saying Wiz's gonna be 5M$.

2) Komi's overpaid. And chances are, there are teams out there ready to overpay for Wiz as well.

3) 5M$ is already with "home discount" See #2.

4) Maybe. But there are never too many good Ds in the market.

Let's be realistic, Mark Streit signed his 4.1M$/season contract when he was 31 years old. Wiz is younger and better. No way 4.5M$/season.
The market is not the same as 2 years ago, Wisniewski is going in with what seems to be a very deep group of skilled d-men, that will affect his value by 500-750k/year on the high end. In a weak year I can see him getting as much as 6 mil from a desperate team(Komisarek type offer) but this summer unless all the top UFA's re-sign before July 1st, I think the most he'll get is 5.2-5.3, so a home town discount could be 4.3-4.7 mil on a 3-4 year deal.

Once again, the year streit got the big money there was nowhere close to the current crop of UFA skilled d-men...Pitkanen Kaberle Wiz Ehrhoff Jovanovski White plus Salo and/or Bieksa as2 way guys.

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05-06-2011, 01:40 PM
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I like Wiz but some of the comments here are way, way off. He is really bad defensively. Really bad. I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by more people.

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05-06-2011, 01:51 PM
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I like Wiz but some of the comments here are way, way off. He is really bad defensively. Really bad. I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by more people.
I think his defensive play was much improve in the playoffs. He made some adjustments and picked his spots better, maybe in NYI he had to take more chances as they spent a lot of time trailing.

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05-06-2011, 02:08 PM
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I like Wiz but some of the comments here are way, way off. He is really bad defensively. Really bad. I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by more people.
I second this, but I will still take him at 4.25 max. If he wants to be a Hab, that is where he will fit in the pay structure on the Habs.

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05-06-2011, 02:10 PM
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Guys, you forget that next year, we will have to resign Subban and Price.

Sure, sign Markov at 5.5 and Wiz at 4.5. Trade Spacek and Gomez...we need to be realistic.

My priorities would be to sign Price and Subban at 6-7 years deal at around 5.5M (Price) and 5M (Subban) per year. Don't forget it. We can't give Wiz 5M per year and hope to trade Spacek and Gomez.

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05-06-2011, 02:13 PM
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Guys, you forget that next year, we will have to resign Subban and Price.

Sure, sign Markov at 5.5 and Wiz at 4.5. Trade Spacek and Gomez...we need to be realistic.

My priorities would be to sign Price and Subban at 6-7 years deal at around 5.5M (Price) and 5M (Subban) per year. Don't forget it. We can't give Wiz 5M per year and hope to trade Spacek and Gomez.
Spacek's 3.8 mil will be off the books by the time any Subban or Price extension kicks in.

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05-06-2011, 02:19 PM
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Guys, you forget that next year, we will have to resign Subban and Price.

Sure, sign Markov at 5.5 and Wiz at 4.5. Trade Spacek and Gomez...we need to be realistic.

My priorities would be to sign Price and Subban at 6-7 years deal at around 5.5M (Price) and 5M (Subban) per year. Don't forget it. We can't give Wiz 5M per year and hope to trade Spacek and Gomez.
I can't possibly see Subban making that much that quickly unless he wins a Norris (or is a finalist) or the Habs sign him to a life time contract.

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and sign Markov and Wiz

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05-06-2011, 03:10 PM
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I like Wiz but some of the comments here are way, way off. He is really bad defensively. Really bad. I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by more people.
I think your assesment of his defensive play is way off, he has at worst average defenisve skills for a dman.

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I like Wiz but some of the comments here are way, way off. He is really bad defensively. Really bad. I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by more people.
He's really not that bad at all, but it's going to depend on salary. His transition game, puck movement, grit and PP game are enough to be a positive factor on the ice.

Having a Top 4 that has Markov, Wisniewski and Subban in it would do wonders for creating offense and opening up the game when we are trailing. Wisniewski is far and away the weakest link of the 3 defensively, but that's why he should in theory get less minutes and should also IMO get a solid partner who can play defense.

Should Markov go down at any point, and we don't have Wisniewski, it's going to take a giant leap forward from Weber in order to cushion the blow OR we are trading away valuable assets once again for a bandaid. Re-sign Wisniewski, give Weber bottom pairing minutes to find his NHL game, should he ever develope into a solid offensive-defenseman than you can either trade Wisniewski or Weber.

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I got no issues re-signing him provided it isn't for more than $4.5 million...But any more than that is a mistake. He is bad defensively guys, we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I find it absolutely INSANE that he is being compared to Markov and Streit, who are both lightyears ahead of Wiz. And I LIKE Wiz a lot, don't get me wrong. He's a good complimentary player.

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That post has to be a joke, right? You can't be comparing a 50 point NHL dman to a KHL defensive defensmen prospect....

It's not very complicated, Wiz get Hammer's money and we still have cap space.
No, it's not a joke. You think Emelin doesn't have offensive skills? I guess you haven't seen much of him. At the World Championships several years ago I saw (on Russian TV, because I was in St. Petersburg at the time) Emelin make a solo rush from center ice and score a goal. This guy can skate and shoot. Of course I've also seen Wisniewski at his best--and worst--and I'd prefer Emelin at less than what the Habs would have to pay Wisniewski in a bidding war with other NHL teams.

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I got no issues re-signing him provided it isn't for more than $4.5 million...But any more than that is a mistake. He is bad defensively guys, we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I find it absolutely INSANE that he is being compared to Markov and Streit, who are both lightyears ahead of Wiz. And I LIKE Wiz a lot, don't get me wrong. He's a good complimentary player.
I agree with the 4.5M salary breaking point.

I don't find Streit to be particularly much better than Wisniewski, positionally yeah he is usually in the right spot, but when it comes to physicality (and remember this is something we don't have a lot of to begin with) Wiz is much more apt at winning battles infront of the net or along the boards with brute strength. Offensively it's pretty close, I'd probably still give the nod to Streit. Let's not live in the past though, not re-signing Streit was a mistake but right now we have to play with the cards we are dealt and Wisniewski is in our deck. If we let him go, and he ends up signing for 4.5 or less elsewhere it would again be a management blunder as far as I am concerned. If this does occur, they better be DAMN confident that Markov will be healthy.

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