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05-05-2011, 05:20 PM
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Rammer paroled

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Sad. Lock those idiots away.

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Sad. Lock those idiots away.
People do change. I don't know anything about this guy, but addicts can recover (even though it sounds like he doesn't view himself this way). Seems more sensible not to pass judgment (to me). The quotes in the article reflect a guy that's had to live with the knowledge of a lot of pain he's inflicted.....maybe it affected him positively?

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I think Rammer is a good guy who made a mistake. How many times have we all been behind the wheel after too many drinks but nothing bad happened ? I know I have. I hate to admit it, but it's true. Alcohol makes you seem invincible. It makes me 10 feet tall and bullet proof. When I am drinking, I will fight anybody. When I'm sober, I am very mild mannered. Just because Rammer made a mistake, it doesn't make him a bad dude. It sux though.

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I can't sympathize because I've never found alcohol or drunk people appealing. It's one of those social norms where its ok because we're all pathetic sometimes in our life so it's just breaking even with everyone else who's gotten drunk and ruined something selfishly. I hate that cop out for people who live beneath themselves, you want to ruin things, ruin it for yourself and leave others out of your issues and bad choices.

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Not sure if SteenMachine is responding to my comment or not. This is quickly going far from hockey topics, but for whatever reason I feel like responding.

I don't drink. I've dealt first-hand with the aftermath of drunk-driving tragedies (in my job) multiple times. I believe the penalties should be harsh.

This example is a guy that's been in jail 7 years, right? (Maybe some details are escaping me.) My point is simply that a lot can happen in 7 years. People change. Idiots can learn. Addicts can recover. They don't all do so, but I'd like to live in a system where there is room to recognize those who have true remorse for their mistakes and have a chance to rebuild their lives.

If I were ever the victim of a drunk driver, if I could be around to tell my opinion...I'd want the outcome to be that the person feels true remorse, has an opportunity to get help...not just lip service but deep and lasting help, and then goes on to become a positive influence in the world. I wouldn't want the guy punished forever or thrown away somewhere as a worthless piece of garbage for the rest of his life.

I'm not deluded into thinking everyone will have an honest change of heart and recovery, but I'd like to live in a system where that option is possible.

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Not sure if SteenMachine is responding to my comment or not. This is quickly going far from hockey topics, but for whatever reason I feel like responding.

I don't drink. I've dealt first-hand with the aftermath of drunk-driving tragedies (in my job) multiple times. I believe the penalties should be harsh.

This example is a guy that's been in jail 7 years, right? (Maybe some details are escaping me.) My point is simply that a lot can happen in 7 years. People change. Idiots can learn. Addicts can recover. They don't all do so, but I'd like to live in a system where there is room to recognize those who have true remorse for their mistakes and have a chance to rebuild their lives.

If I were ever the victim of a drunk driver, if I could be around to tell my opinion...I'd want the outcome to be that the person feels true remorse, has an opportunity to get help...not just lip service but deep and lasting help, and then goes on to become a positive influence in the world. I wouldn't want the guy punished forever or thrown away somewhere as a worthless piece of garbage for the rest of his life.

I'm not deluded into thinking everyone will have an honest change of heart and recovery, but I'd like to live in a system where that option is possible.
He's only been in jail for 10 months. I doubt that changes much.

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Thanks. Seven years since the accident. What did he do the other 6 years?

I don't know how long it takes. I'm sure it varies from person to person. Ten months doesn't seem like a very long time in that light. I'm sure there are people that would never change regardless of how long they have.

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In all that nothing can be done to change the past, I truly hope that he can use this to help others to not make the same mistake.

I'm a bit curious to know what his condition w/ concussions is. With seeing how its impacted so many of today's players w/ season ending conditions and the descriptions of headaches/dizziness many of the players have related to concussions, I wonder if this may help to shed some light on long-term effects and maybe get the league to develop some better equipment/rules for minimizing them? I know it's not an excuse; but from what I hear dealing w/ one as bad as some of the players have experienced could easily drive me to want to drink and gives me a bit of a reality check when it comes to judging others..

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I can't sympathize because I've never found alcohol or drunk people appealing. It's one of those social norms where its ok because we're all pathetic sometimes in our life so it's just breaking even with everyone else who's gotten drunk and ruined something selfishly. I hate that cop out for people who live beneath themselves, you want to ruin things, ruin it for yourself and leave others out of your issues and bad choices.
It's just as pathetic and unappealing listening to people talk as though every person who drinks alcohol - ever - is a drunken loser. Get over yourself.

I think Ramage got off relatively easy because any normal person in a similar situation would have likely done more time. However, I think all things considered 10 months in jail is plenty to change a person's perspective, permanently. There are plenty of other punishments out there for people who are worried he didn't get his "just deserts" - pull his driver's license forever, make him do thousands of hours of community service and speaking engagements, etc. There's nothing to be gained from ruining a man forever when in his own mind he is already ruined, and there is little to no realistic chance of a repeat incident.

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Should have made him serve at least 2 years, how pathetic. I imagine Maggy would have enjoyed being an ambassador and watching the Hawks win the Cup with such a great young team.

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It's just as pathetic and unappealing listening to people talk as though every person who drinks alcohol - ever - is a drunken loser. Get over yourself.

I think Ramage got off relatively easy because any normal person in a similar situation would have likely done more time. However, I think all things considered 10 months in jail is plenty to change a person's perspective, permanently. There are plenty of other punishments out there for people who are worried he didn't get his "just deserts" - pull his driver's license forever, make him do thousands of hours of community service and speaking engagements, etc. There's nothing to be gained from ruining a man forever when in his own mind he is already ruined, and there is little to no realistic chance of a repeat incident.
Yeah unless this all weighs down on him and he turns to alcohol in a culture that totally enables him. Then it's just part 2.

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