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05-08-2011, 02:20 PM
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sabres roster going foward

sabres line up next season

Vanek - 1,2C - Stafford
Ennis - Roy - Stafford
Hecht - 3C - Pominville
Gerbe - Gaustad - Boyes
mancari - mccormick - kaleta

Top D-man - Myers
Sekera - weber
Gragnani - leopold
butler


who does everyone think will be added to this roster, I could see one of the defencemen flipped for a young centre, I could see us going after richards but I think we will come up short, another option I can see is us moving up in the draft to pick of of the centres, another option for defence is to get a guy like regehr by offering a deal like tj brennen and a second. I would assume that bieksa and ehroff do not make it to UFA...


With 2 decent centres this will give us 4 lines that can chip in offensively

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I think Stafford might get a little tired

Ideally, I would put Richards at the top spot, put Boyes in the Top 9 (Kaleta or maybe Kassian on the 4th line), and sign a guy like Belanger to center that 3rd line.

On D, I think Brewer would look pretty darn nice next to Myers, but I think Tampa does all they can to lock him up after this showing in the playoffs.

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Ennis-Roy-Stafford
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Gerbe-Gaustad-Kaleta
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Status Quo Offseason:

Vanek-Roy-Stafford
Hecht-Connolly-Pominville
Gerbe-Gaustad-Boyes
Ennis-McCormick-Kaleta
Mancari
Butler-Myers
Sekera-Weber
Leopold-Montador
Gragnani
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Miller
Enroth

Italic - Re-Signed UFA's


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Status Quo Offseason:

Vanek-Roy-Stafford
Hecht-Connolly-Pominville
Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari
Adam-McCormick-Kaleta
Ellis
Butler-Myers
Sekera-Weber
Leopold-Montador
Gragnani
Schiestel
Miller
Enroth

Italic - Re-Signed UFA's
Did Tyler Ennis and Brade Boyes retire?

Honestly, though, I don't hate what this team will look like with the status quo. I thought all of the young defensemen had some struggles and would be greatly helped by the addition of a veteran presence but that's still a playoff team.

I just don't like playing Vanek and Roy together, let's stop trying to make that work.

1A Ennis-Roy -Stafford
1B Vanek-Connolly-Pommer
1C Boyes-Hecht-Gerbe
4 McCormick-Goose-Kaleta

That's realistic.

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05-08-2011, 04:48 PM
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Did Tyler Ennis and Brade Boyes retire?

Honestly, though, I don't hate what this team will look like with the status quo. I thought all of the young defensemen had some struggles and would be greatly helped by the addition of a veteran presence but that's still a playoff team.

I just don't like playing Vanek and Roy together, let's stop trying to make that work.

1A Ennis-Roy -Stafford
1B Vanek-Connolly-Pommer
1C Boyes-Hecht-Gerbe
4 McCormick-Goose-Kaleta

That's realistic.
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Did Tyler Ennis and Brade Boyes retire?

Honestly, though, I don't hate what this team will look like with the status quo. I thought all of the young defensemen had some struggles and would be greatly helped by the addition of a veteran presence but that's still a playoff team.

I just don't like playing Vanek and Roy together, let's stop trying to make that work.

1A Ennis-Roy -Stafford
1B Vanek-Connolly-Pommer
1C Boyes-Hecht-Gerbe
4 McCormick-Goose-Kaleta

That's realistic.
yes that's a playoff team... not a Cup team though.

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yes that's a playoff team... not a Cup team though.
While I would agree that looks more like a team that can't get past the first or second round, I also believe any team with Miller has a chance to be in the mix for a Cup. The team we have in front of him now is better than the teams we used to put in front of Hasek so it's not as if we are totally unbalanced....

But yes, that is a playoff team, not a cup team 9 times out of 10. If we land Richards and let Connolly walk and sign a veteran defenseman, than we're looking at a Cup contending team.

Vanek-Richards-Stafford
Ennis-Roy-Pominville
Boyes-Hecht-Gerbe
McCormick-Goose-Kaleta

Regehr-Myers
Sekera-Weber
Butler-Leopold

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While I would agree that looks more like a team that can't get past the first or second round, I also believe any team with Miller has a chance to be in the mix for a Cup. The team we have in front of him now is better than the teams we used to put in front of Hasek so it's not as if we are totally unbalanced....

But yes, that is a playoff team, not a cup team 9 times out of 10. If we land Richards and let Connolly walk and sign a veteran defenseman, than we're looking at a Cup contending team.

Vanek-Richards-Stafford
Ennis-Roy-Pominville
Boyes-Hecht-Gerbe
McCormick-Goose-Kaleta

Regehr-Myers
Sekera-Weber
Butler-Leopold

this team really has alot of depth up front, we dont even need a star centre but if we could get a couple 50 point guys in the middle we will be greatly improved, if we could get the connolly of last year and add another guy we could be as good as anyone up front

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this team really has alot of depth up front, we dont even need a star centre but if we could get a couple 50 point guys in the middle we will be greatly improved, if we could get the connolly of last year and add another guy we could be as good as anyone up front
I agree to an extent but picking up "a couple 50 point guys in the middle" is difficult. I think the team is only going to pull that off through a trade and we'd have to give up an asset or two in return. Obviously the ideal situation is to sign Richards and keep Connolly as a 3rd line center, but realistically, we could very well end up with neither of those guys come October.

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I agree to an extent but picking up "a couple 50 point guys in the middle" is difficult. I think the team is only going to pull that off through a trade and we'd have to give up an asset or two in return. Obviously the ideal situation is to sign Richards and keep Connolly as a 3rd line center, but realistically, we could very well end up with neither of those guys come October.
what do you think of the idea of going after a boychuk, hamill, turris, gagne type of centre? I wouldn't know if any of these guys are available tho, I think an option could be to turn stafford or pommer into a centre, the are both good on draws, very good with the puck, good defensively and offensively, both have somewhat decent size...

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sabres line up next season

Vanek - 1,2C - Stafford
Ennis - Roy - Stafford
Hecht - 3C - Pominville
Gerbe - Gaustad - Boyes
mancari - mccormick - kaleta

Top D-man - Myers
Sekera - weber
Gragnani - leopold
butler


who does everyone think will be added to this roster, I could see one of the defencemen flipped for a young centre, I could see us going after richards but I think we will come up short, another option I can see is us moving up in the draft to pick of of the centres, another option for defence is to get a guy like regehr by offering a deal like tj brennen and a second. I would assume that bieksa and ehroff do not make it to UFA...


With 2 decent centres this will give us 4 lines that can chip in offensively

seriously, how many different ways can you ask this?

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I think Stafford might get a little tired

Ideally, I would put Richards at the top spot, put Boyes in the Top 9 (Kaleta or maybe Kassian on the 4th line), and sign a guy like Belanger to center that 3rd line.

On D, I think Brewer would look pretty darn nice next to Myers, but I think Tampa does all they can to lock him up after this showing in the playoffs.

Vanek-Richards-Boyes
Ennis-Roy-Stafford
Hecht-Belanger-Pominville
Gerbe-Gaustad-Kaleta
McCormick

Brewer-Myers
Weber-Sekera
Butler-Leopold
Gragnani
Since we are doing fantasy world.....

Vanek Richards Boyes
Ennis Roy Stafford
Hecht Weiss Pominville
Kassian Gustad Gerbe
Kaleta
Myers Ernhoff
Weber Sekera
Grangani Leopold
Butler, Morrisonn

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seriously, how many different ways can you ask this?

how many ways can I ask what?

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I really hate our "realistic" line-up. I don't care if they got in the playoffs this year with it.

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sabres line up next season

Vanek - 1,2C - Stafford
Ennis - Roy - Stafford
Hecht - 3C - Pominville
Gerbe - Gaustad - Boyes
mancari - mccormick - kaleta

Top D-man - Myers
Sekera - weber
Gragnani - leopold
butler
Stafford is going to be pretty busy playing on the first and second line.

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Always due for a proverbial line thread I guess.

Vanek-Roy-Stafford
Ennis-XXX-Boyes
Gerbe-XXX-Pominville
XXX-Gaustad-Kaleta
McCormick/Ellis

Butler-Myers
Morrisonn-Weber
Leopold-Gragnani
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Stafford is going to be pretty busy playing on the first and second line.

oh, thats why right wing was looking so deep

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If there weren't any changes to the line-up (besides letting Grier, Niedermayer and Montador walk), this is what I'd do:

Thomas Vanek - Tim Connolly - Jason Pominville
Tyler Ennis - Derek Roy - Drew Stafford
Nathan Gerbe - Jochen Hecht - Brad Boyes
Patrick Kaleta - Paul Gaustad - Cody McCormick
* Luke Adam, Paul Byron

Chris Butler - Tyler Myers
Mike Weber - Jordan Leopold
Andrej Sekera - Marc-Andre Gragnani
* Shaone Morrisonn

Ryan Miller
Jhonas Enroth


But yeah... That line-up seems way too average for my taste.

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sabres line up next season

Vanek - 1,2C - Stafford
Ennis - Roy - Stafford
Hecht - 3C - Pominville
Gerbe - Gaustad - Boyes
mancari - mccormick - kaleta

Top D-man - Myers
Sekera - weber
Gragnani - leopold
butler


who does everyone think will be added to this roster, I could see one of the defencemen flipped for a young centre, I could see us going after richards but I think we will come up short, another option I can see is us moving up in the draft to pick of of the centres, another option for defence is to get a guy like regehr by offering a deal like tj brennen and a second. I would assume that bieksa and ehroff do not make it to UFA...

With 2 decent centres this will give us 4 lines that can chip in offensively
No offense intended but I think the purpose of the following threads is to discuss what you're asking:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=909765&page=17

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=896191&page=18

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Vanek-Richards-Pomminville
Ennis-Roy-Stafford
Gerbe-Glencross-Hecht
Kaleta-Goose-Mccormick

Myers-Sekera
Weber-Erhoff
Gragnani-Leopold
Butler

Miller
Enroth

Find ways to get rid of Boyes and morrison

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I'm trying to stay fairly grounded, for starters I am not even going to assume the Sabres land Brad Richards in the off-season. I am also willing to bet that Timmy gets a 2yr. deal right before July 1st. If I am wrong, and Brad ends up here, and Timmy leaves - I'll jump for joy!!! I just dont see it happening.

To start, Darcy would have to get out the cheque book & re-sign some guys for a few years...

Re-sign Stafford - 3yr - $10M
Either sign Richards (big $$$) or Re-sign Connolly - 2yr - $4.5M
Re-sign McCormick - 2yr - $2.5M
Re-sign RFA's - Sekera, Weber, Gragnani, Enroth & maybe Butler....

Then, perhaps we could work out some sort of deal with the Wings for Brad Stuart or Nik Kronwall (I would prefer Stuart...) Perhaps something like

To DET:
Chris Butler or Mike Weber & 2012 2nd (2013 2nd too if neccassary) RND pick
To BUF:
Brad Stuart

I dont know if that would be enough to get it done or not....

1. Vanek-Roy-Stafford
2. Ennis-Connolly-Pominville
3. Gerbe-Gaustad-Boyes
4. Hecht-Adam-McCormick
X. Kaleta, Byron, C. Stuart

1. Myers-B. Stuart
2. Leopold-Sekera
3. Gragnani-Butler or Weber (whichever one is still here)
X. Morissonn

Miller
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I'm trying to stay fairly grounded, for starters I am not even going to assume the Sabres land Brad Richards in the off-season. I am also willing to bet that Timmy gets a 2yr. deal right before July 1st. If I am wrong, and Brad ends up here, and Timmy leaves - I'll jump for joy!!! I just dont see it happening.

To start, Darcy would have to get out the cheque book & re-sign some guys for a few years...

Re-sign Stafford - 3yr - $10M
Either sign Richards (big $$$) or Re-sign Connolly - 2yr - $4.5M
Re-sign McCormick - 2yr - $2.5M
Re-sign RFA's - Sekera, Weber, Gragnani, Enroth & maybe Butler....

Then, perhaps we could work out some sort of deal with the Wings for Brad Stuart or Nik Kronwall (I would prefer Stuart...) Perhaps something like

To DET:
Chris Butler or Mike Weber & 2012 2nd (2013 2nd too if neccassary) RND pick
To BUF:
Brad Stuart

I dont know if that would be enough to get it done or not....

1. Vanek-Roy-Stafford
2. Ennis-Connolly-Pominville
3. Gerbe-Gaustad-Boyes
4. Hecht-Adam-McCormick
X. Kaleta, Byron, C. Stuart

1. Myers-B. Stuart
2. Leopold-Sekera
3. Gragnani-Butler or Weber (whichever one is still here)
X. Morissonn

Miller
Enroth

way to much to give up for stuart IMO

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Ugh, I stopped reading at ... Re-sign Stafford for 3 years at 10 mil. Hate the 3 year idea, big chunk of change if he doesn't repeat or do better next season.

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way to much to give up for stuart IMO
We gave up 2 2nd RND picks for Rivet. Seemed fair at the time.

Stuart > Rivet... So we need to add a bit. I would think that Butler + one 2nd rnd pick would likely do it, The other pick was just for insurance.

Plus, Detroit would need some sort of sweetener to deal Stuart. Especially with the impending retirement of Lids.

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Ugh, I stopped reading at ... Re-sign Stafford for 3 years at 10 mil. Hate the 3 year idea, big chunk of change if he doesn't repeat or do better next season.
I'll bet ya the teams throwing offer sheets at Drew will disagree with you (TOR, NYR, etc...). Darcy needs to get this deal done.

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Ugh, I stopped reading at ... Re-sign Stafford for 3 years at 10 mil. Hate the 3 year idea, big chunk of change if he doesn't repeat or do better next season.
No, it's really not.

3 years at 10 mil would be a STEAL for Stafford. Not to mention it wouldn't be overpayment based on this season's performance.

Based on league wide contracts he wouldn't even have to improve on this season to deem himself worthy of that contract. There are guys like Rostislav Olesz and Jochen Hecht making more bank than that. Stafford is better than both.

3 @ 10 is right. It's fair. 3 @ 15 is more likely, and yes, not a good deal to make.

If you can get Stafford locked up for 3.3333 a year you make that deal in a heartbeat. You wouldn't be a smart general manager not make lock him up.

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