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05-10-2011, 09:43 AM
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i was at the Joe for game 4 and got into it with a fan after Heatley tied the game because out of his drunken bitterness he kept saying repeatedly in my ear Heatley is a murderer and deserves to spend the rest of his life rotting in a cell. I eventually got annoyed turned around and said "yeah and Bertuzzi is a real f**kin boy scout"...then he got all pissed and threatened to kick my ***. some people are so sensitive :/
Man, I would want to beat the piss out of that guy for that remark alone. I'm a girl, so it probably wouldn't work out too well for me, but still. Does that guy have any idea how bad Heatley probably STILL feels about that accident? One of those times when popping someone in the nose is totes justified.

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Ah yes, the leaning police strikes again.

As a rule every fan who complains about leaning should be thrown out on principle...

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ya they should be thrown out because the person in front of them blocks their view of the ice that they paid money to see.
NO, they should be thrown out because they are newbie whiney biotches who ruin the game for everyone else. If they had pulled that crap at a Seals game, they'd have been beaten senseless. Only the newbie fans with an overinflated sense of self-worth whine about this. These are the same people who come to games in shirt sleeves and then complain that it's too cold.

Everybody leans. Everyone. Even the whiney loser complaining about the guy in front of him leaning, is leaning. It's been going on at sporting events since time immemorial. Only the whiney loser thinks his need for attention is more important than shutting up so that everyone can enjoy the game.

There are exactly two stadiums in the known universe with rules against leaning. HP Pavilion in the heart of America's whiner country, and GM Place in the heart of Canada's whiner country.

So be a whiner if you want to. The rest of us will try to enjoy the game in spite of your petty antics...

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NO, they should be thrown out because they are newbie whiney biotches who ruin the game for everyone else. If they had pulled that crap at a Seals game, they'd have been beaten senseless. Only the newbie fans with an overinflated sense of self-worth whine about this. These are the same people who come to games in shirt sleeves and then complain that it's too cold.

Everybody leans. Everyone. Even the whiney loser complaining about the guy in front of him leaning, is leaning. It's been going on at sporting events since time immemorial. Only the whiney loser thinks his need for attention is more important than shutting up so that everyone can enjoy the game.

There are exactly two stadiums in the known universe with rules against leaning. HP Pavilion in the heart of America's whiner country, and GM Place in the heart of Canada's whiner country.

So be a whiner if you want to. The rest of us will try to enjoy the game in spite of your petty antics...

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Wedge has a point, though I don't necessarily agree with it in its entirety.

Leaning is a problem because it forces everyone to start leaning. Which I wouldn't care about because I would just lean or even stand up if I couldn't see, but then the guy behind me is going to ***** about me standing up.

HP Pavillion is the only hockey rink I've ever seen where the crowd refuses to stand up for longer than 10 seconds. I've seen entire arenas on their feet at certain points in the game (not talking about near the end of the game).

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NO, they should be thrown out because they are newbie whiney biotches who ruin the game for everyone else. If they had pulled that crap at a Seals game, they'd have been beaten senseless. Only the newbie fans with an overinflated sense of self-worth whine about this. These are the same people who come to games in shirt sleeves and then complain that it's too cold.

Everybody leans. Everyone. Even the whiney loser complaining about the guy in front of him leaning, is leaning. It's been going on at sporting events since time immemorial. Only the whiney loser thinks his need for attention is more important than shutting up so that everyone can enjoy the game.

There are exactly two stadiums in the known universe with rules against leaning. HP Pavilion in the heart of America's whiner country, and GM Place in the heart of Canada's whiner country.

So be a whiner if you want to. The rest of us will try to enjoy the game in spite of your petty antics...
Funny how most people in my section NEVER LEANE FORWARD, and if someone does MANY LONG TIME SEASON TICKET HOLDERS TELL THEM TO as the rule is announced on the jumbo tron "PLEASE REFRAIN FROM LEANING FORWARD", maybe you are like the kids in the JUMBO video, its all about me, me, me! After politely asking someone to not lean forward I call in the USHER and have been happy to see many supposed fans (never see them at more than one game) be escorted out, BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE RULES! Thank You.

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Wedge has a point, though I don't necessarily agree with it in its entirety.

Leaning is a problem because it forces everyone to start leaning. Which I wouldn't care about because I would just lean or even stand up if I couldn't see, but then the guy behind me is going to ***** about me standing up.

HP Pavillion is the only hockey rink I've ever seen where the crowd refuses to stand up for longer than 10 seconds. I've seen entire arenas on their feet at certain points in the game (not talking about near the end of the game).
I'd be standing if I had no one behind me. When I get seats in the very last row of my section I usually spend the entire game standing. The problem is the people in front don't want to stand and no one wants to feel like the ass who stands up when she/he doesn't need to.

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There are exactly two stadiums in the known universe with rules against leaning. HP Pavilion in the heart of America's whiner country, and GM Place in the heart of Canada's whiner country.
Are the Caps in the known universe, because they have the same policy.

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I don't understand why someone would rather lean forward than sit back and relax. Also, I think common courtesy and respect for other people is severely lacking in this country.

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NO, they should be thrown out because they are newbie whiney biotches who ruin the game for everyone else. If they had pulled that crap at a Seals game, they'd have been beaten senseless. Only the newbie fans with an overinflated sense of self-worth whine about this. These are the same people who come to games in shirt sleeves and then complain that it's too cold.

Everybody leans. Everyone. Even the whiney loser complaining about the guy in front of him leaning, is leaning. It's been going on at sporting events since time immemorial. Only the whiney loser thinks his need for attention is more important than shutting up so that everyone can enjoy the game.

There are exactly two stadiums in the known universe with rules against leaning. HP Pavilion in the heart of America's whiner country, and GM Place in the heart of Canada's whiner country.

So be a whiner if you want to. The rest of us will try to enjoy the game in spite of your petty antics...
Been asked to sit back a few times, eh? Sense of entitlement much? FIGHT THE MACHINE!!!!!

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I don't understand why someone would rather lean forward than sit back and relax. Also, I think common courtesy and respect for other people is severely lacking in this country.
Because the game is exciting and draws you in. Because sitting back in the tank means sometimes the person in front of you is obstructing the view, even if they're sitting back (yes, I am a season ticket holder).

I think making broad generalizations about the country based on what happens in one of the classiest sports arenas in the USA is ridiculous.

By the way, the structural design of the tank is at fault for the "lean forward" problem anyway. Lots of stadiums don't have that problem - people can lean or not lean however they like. It's a feature of San Jose, not a feature of the fans.

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Been asked to sit back a few times, eh? Sense of entitlement much? FIGHT THE MACHINE!!!!!
I've been going to hockey games for 40 years. My dad was a STH with the Seals. I was a STH holder with Sharks in the 90's. I've been to literally dozens of arenas all over America and Canada including Vancouver, Toronto, Philly, New York, LA, DC and many many more. NHL, AHL, WHL, ECHL, you name it.

Not only have I never seen or heard anyone asked to sit back in their chair, I've never even heard of it being an issue. Not at the arena, not on message boards, nbot on talk radio.

Now, I understand that because the fans in the bay area have been programmed by the vocal minority to believe this is the sin of all sins, and that I'm the weirdo, the truth is that outside of the whiney confines of the Bay Area, you guys are considered nutters.

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Because the game is exciting and draws you in. Because sitting back in the tank means sometimes the person in front of you is obstructing the view, even if they're sitting back (yes, I am a season ticket holder).

I think making broad generalizations about the country based on what happens in one of the classiest sports arenas in the USA is ridiculous.

By the way, the structural design of the tank is at fault for the "lean forward" problem anyway. Lots of stadiums don't have that problem - people can lean or not lean however they like. It's a feature of San Jose, not a feature of the fans.
Very well said.

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I've been going to hockey games for 40 years. My dad was a STH with the Seals. I was a STH holder with Sharks in the 90's. I've been to literally dozens of arenas all over America and Canada including Vancouver, Toronto, Philly, New York, LA, DC and many many more. NHL, AHL, WHL, ECHL, you name it.

Not only have I never seen or heard anyone asked to sit back in their chair, I've never even heard of it being an issue. Not at the arena, not on message boards, nbot on talk radio.

Now, I understand that because the fans in the bay area have been programmed by the vocal minority to believe this is the sin of all sins, and that I'm the weirdo, the truth is that outside of the whiney confines of the Bay Area, you guys are considered nutters.
Call me what you want, the simple truth is that if you are blocking my view during an event that I paid to see, I'm going to politely ask you to move so I can see it. The back of your head is not a pretty sight.

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Very well said.
Wait, so you agree that the leaning issue in the tank is because of a poor design and NOT because people here have been brainwashed into wanting to see the game?

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I agree that it's mainly the structure of the Tank and layout of the seats more than anything. Yes, the game is very exciting and we all sometimes forget to sit back at a Sharks game, but I don't consider it "whiny" to ask someone to sit back at the Tank. I've only been a STH for 5 years, but the STH's in my section know that they have to sit back or a vicious cycle of leaning occurs. No one has a problem with it. Whenever a random does come to the game and does lean forward, we're polite in asking them to sit back and almost everyone is apologetic and sits back the rest of the game. It's not that I care about the principle or following the rules, it's about my inability to watch the game.

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Wait, so you agree that the leaning issue in the tank is because of a poor design and NOT because people here have been brainwashed into wanting to see the game?
Not at all. I agree that people should not make an issue of it, shut up and just watch the game, which was the basis of his post.

There are lots of arenas with sightline issues. The idea that San Jose is the only one is absurd. In Seattle, Key Arena has seats at one end that are literally above the ice. I mean DIRECTLY OVER THE ICE. And some of the other seats in the arena are almost sideways to ice.

And yet I never heard a single complaint. Not one. Not about sightlines, not about leaning, not about anything except how bad the T-Birds sucked.

Only Bay Area fans seemto think that they have some sort of entitlement to whine because they bought a ticket...

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Call me what you want, the simple truth is that if you are blocking my view during an event that I paid to see, I'm going to politely ask you to move so I can see it. The back of your head is not a pretty sight.
So then you believe you have more of a right to see the game than he does? He's leaning so he can see better too.

That's not a sense of entitlement?

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It's not that I care about the principle or following the rules, it's about my inability to watch the game.
What about the ability of the guy in front of you to watch the game? He's leaning for a reason. You think he should sit back and not be able to see much of the action?

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I agree that people should not make an issue of it, shut up and just watch the game, which was the basis of his post.
... and I think the other's point was that they can't.

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I've been going to hockey games for 40 years. My dad was a STH with the Seals. I was a STH holder with Sharks in the 90's. I've been to literally dozens of arenas all over America and Canada including Vancouver, Toronto, Philly, New York, LA, DC and many many more. NHL, AHL, WHL, ECHL, you name it.

Not only have I never seen or heard anyone asked to sit back in their chair, I've never even heard of it being an issue. Not at the arena, not on message boards, nbot on talk radio.

Now, I understand that because the fans in the bay area have been programmed by the vocal minority to believe this is the sin of all sins, and that I'm the weirdo, the truth is that outside of the whiney confines of the Bay Area, you guys are considered nutters.
Well, you might be very tall and it's not a problem for you if someone leans but for people who are 5'11" and less, it's kind annoying to have a black patch in the middle of the ie.

I asked a guy nicely not to lean and minutes later it was on the jumbotron too. I was asked once not to lean myself because I forgot about it. If you are being a jerk about it, it's one thing but if you are asking nicely because it blocks your view, I don't see a problem with it.

Ticket season holders can be quite vocal in their criticisms, especially when they start their "SIT DOWN" rant (not against). Just wait a ****ing second.

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Well, you might be very tall and it's not a problem for you if someone leans but for people who are 5'11" and less, it's kind annoying to have a black patch in the middle of the ie.
I'm not just talking about me, I'm talking about every fan of every section I've ever sat in. Never seen or heard it happen even once. Not ONCE in 40 years. And that includes the Forum and Madison Square garden that had sightlines that make HP Pavilion look perfect.

Of course I had Sharks season tickets in the mid-late 90's, before the leaning Nazi's took hold...

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What about the ability of the guy in front of you to watch the game? He's leaning for a reason. You think he should sit back and not be able to see much of the action?
Hence the vicious cycle of leaning I was talking about. The randoms in my section are usually leaning because they're new and aren't accustomed to sitting back, and they usually have no problem after we ask them once. I understand the guy in front of me might be leaning because the guy in front of him is leaning. In that case, he should ask the guy in front of him to sit back as well. Given the layout of the seats at the Tank, it just works best if pretty much everyone (I give leeway to kids and shorter people) sits back in their seats.

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... and I think the other's point was that they can't.
Sure they can. They do exactly what everyone else in the history of sports has done. Get your head in a position where you can see.

Just like everyone else is doing.

Everyone leans. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. Yes you do, don't deny it. Especially in a stadium with questionable sightlines.

The guy in front of you is leaning for a reason. He can't see. Asking him to sit back is asking him to miss the game.

Why would you want other fans to miss the game? Who would be that selfish?

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Hence the vicious cycle of leaning I was talking about. The randoms in my section are usually leaning because they're new and aren't accustomed to sitting back, and they usually have no problem after we ask them once. I understand the guy in front of me might be leaning because the guy in front of him is leaning. In that case, he should ask the guy in front of him to sit back as well. Given the layout of the seats at the Tank, it just works best if pretty much everyone (I give leeway to kids and shorter people) sits back in their seats.
But doesn't that contradict the idea that the Tank has poor sightlines? If everyone could see when they are sitting back, then no one would have a reason to lean.

So which is it? Are the sightlines poor, and it's causing people to lean? Or are the sightlines great?

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