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06-01-2011, 12:12 PM
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Hey guys,

According to TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger, the Philadelphia Flyers will not be trading away C Jeff Carter this summer.

http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/s...88201221390336
Kinda conflicts with this which is dated May 29:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...g-jeff-carter/

Anyway only time will tell.

As a Plan C, what do posters think about TJ Oshie?

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Dreger can ask any GM if any player is available and will get the same answer regardless.


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Kinda conflicts with this which is dated May 29:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...g-jeff-carter/

Anyway only time will tell.

As a Plan C, what do posters think about TJ Oshie?

I'm sticking with Plan A, Brad Richards.

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I'm sticking with Plan A, Brad Richards.
I didn't hear it but a colleague of mine told me 30 mins ago that Stephen Brunt said on the FAN 590 that the Richards deal was all but done with Toronto, normally I wouldn't put much stock into what co workers say but this guy knows hockey. Did anyone else hear this? It's not April and it is hard for me to believe Brunt would say this, but I think he was serious.

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full of bologna i say.

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I didn't hear it but a colleague of mine told me 30 mins ago that Stephen Brunt said on the FAN 590 that the Richards deal was all but done with Toronto, normally I wouldn't put much stock into what co workers say but this guy knows hockey. Did anyone else hear this? It's not April and it is hard for me to believe Brunt would say this, but I think he was serious.
Done as in what exactly?:

a) Trading for rights?
b) Someone else (NYR) aquiring his rights; or another scenario making a BR signing all but "done" (as in not happening)?

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I didn't hear it but a colleague of mine told me 30 mins ago that Stephen Brunt said on the FAN 590 that the Richards deal was all but done with Toronto, normally I wouldn't put much stock into what co workers say but this guy knows hockey. Did anyone else hear this? It's not April and it is hard for me to believe Brunt would say this, but I think he was serious.
If you didn't hear it yourself, take it with a grain of salt at best.

If it turns out to be true, and some radio personality (meh) heard/said it, it will obviously come to light sooner rather than later.

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Done as in what exactly?:

a) Trading for rights?
b) Someone else (NYR) aquiring his rights; or another scenario making a BR signing all but "done" (as in not happening)?
Mentioned that the deal was done in principle, the agent is playing it like a fox. July 1 is one month away, but we know these deals are usually done beforehand as we know. I was a little shocked when he said this to me, but he made it clear it came from Brunt, who we all know broke the Atlanta to Winnepeg rumour wide open.

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Prime Time on B Richards no Brunt

Found this, but no Brunt. Cox didn't rule it out.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/video/404093...hards-to-Leafs

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Mentioned that the deal was done in principle, the agent is playing it like a fox. July 1 is one month away, but we know these deals are usually done beforehand as we know. I was a little shocked when he said this to me, but he made it clear it came from Brunt, who we all know broke the Atlanta to Winnepeg rumour wide open.
Well the deals actually arent done beforehand because its tampering and illegal. So I'm not buying it whatsoever. My guess is a case of broken telephone that started with Brunt saying the leafs were interested in signing Richards to a deal and it turned into "deal done".

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Mentioned that the deal was done in principle, the agent is playing it like a fox. July 1 is one month away, but we know these deals are usually done beforehand as we know. I was a little shocked when he said this to me, but he made it clear it came from Brunt, who we all know broke the Atlanta to Winnepeg rumour wide open.
This is not true.

No way in hell Burke would be negotiating a contract, under the table, with a pending UFA. Something like this would come with severe consequences from the NHL. Not to mention it's illegal.

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Because you think that Burke lacks the basic knowledge that trading Kulemin makes improving the forward group much more difficult?
I suggest not over-thinking; you have to reply for other threads too!

All it meant was just hoping for we get a free-wallet than a traded #1C, which would cost ample.

Btw, even if you were to take it literally, you didn't do much on the part.

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Well the deals actually arent done beforehand because its tampering and illegal. So I'm not buying it whatsoever. My guess is a case of broken telephone that started with Brunt saying the leafs were interested in signing Richards to a deal and it turned into "deal done".
Yes in the real world they are not, but we all see signing frenzies once the clock strikes midnight on July 1, surely they were negotiating weeks before this.

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I didn't hear it but a colleague of mine told me 30 mins ago that Stephen Brunt said on the FAN 590 that the Richards deal was all but done with Toronto, normally I wouldn't put much stock into what co workers say but this guy knows hockey. Did anyone else hear this? It's not April and it is hard for me to believe Brunt would say this, but I think he was serious.
I would think that someone else would post something similar on this forum if it was true.

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I would think that someone else would post something similar on this forum if it was true.
Yes, this is why I asked if anyone else hear Brunt. Don't want to mislead or get anyone's hopes up, especially here. I'll refrain from posting anymore on this until we hear more.

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06-01-2011, 12:51 PM
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I suggest not over-thinking; you have to reply for other threads too!

All it meant was just hoping for we get a free-wallet than a traded #1C, which would cost ample.

Btw, even if you were to take it literally, you didn't do much on the part.
Some people are beyond help, i.e. those that write that they are afraid that Kulemin will be traded and then state they meant something else. If Burke put everyone on the trade block he'd have his number one center by now.

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This is not true.

No way in hell Burke would be negotiating a contract, under the table, with a pending UFA. Something like this would come with severe consequences from the NHL. Not to mention it's illegal.
Don't be so naive. What do you think the reason most of the big guys sign right away on July 1st is?? I assure you that the player has a pretty good idea of where he's going to end up before that. All kinds of stuff goes on unofficially.

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Yes in the real world they are not, but we all see signing frenzies once the clock strikes midnight on July 1, surely they were negotiating weeks before this.

Sure lots of deals are signed on July1st; but its usually midmorning, afternoon and evening. Teams invest a lot of time to develop a plan of attack once the clock strikes midnight.

If they were negotiating beforehand, they would be doing so illegally (from an NHL and legal standpoint) which would come with serious consequences when caught.

Anyone recall Wilson saying (on June 30th) "..We'll be going after the Sedins on July1st"?

I can ensure you, Burke is not negotiating a contract, under the table with Richards or his agent.

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Some people are beyond help, i.e. those that write that they are afraid that Kulemin will be traded and then state they meant something else. If Burke put everyone on the trade block he'd have his number one center by now.
Yea sure. Trade up everything. Trade Schenn, Kadri, Kule; get #1C and go golfing again. Trading these assets for a star center is a stepback in team building.

a) You are breaking apart a 80 goal producing line.
b) You are trading away your D man; whom the GM himself refers to as the next captain material.
c) You are trading away your best prospect.


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Sure lots of deals are signed on July1st; but its usually midmorning, afternoon and evening. Teams invest a lot of time to develop a plan of attack once the clock strikes midnight.

If they were negotiating beforehand, they would be doing so illegally (from an NHL and legal standpoint) which would come with serious consequences when caught.

Anyone recall Wilson saying (on June 30th) "..We'll be going after the Sedins on July1st"?

I can ensure you, Burke is not negotiating a contract, under the table with Richards or his agent.
Maybe negotiating is the wrong term, but say I was Burke and I was golfing with Richard's agent and over a lull in the action I say 7 at 49, would this be considered negotiating? I'm serious, would this be considered tampering?

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Yea sure. Trade up everything. Trade Schenn, Kadri, Kule; get #1C and go golfing again. Trading these assets for a star center is a stepback in team building.

a) You are breaking apart a 80 goal producing line.
b) You are trading away your D man; whom the GM himself refers to as the next captain material.
c) You are trading away your best prospect.


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So i dont think you understood anything that moose was saying...

He just said that trading Kulie would be a step back and a bad idea. And that Burke could havea #1 C by now if he mortaged the franchise, but that he wont do that.

And then you basically said "NO...... and then agreed with everything he said."

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Maybe negotiating is the wrong term, but say I was Burke and I was golfing with Richard's agent and over a lull in the action I say 7 at 49, would this be considered negotiating? I'm serious, would this be tampering?
The golf game would be tampering in itself. If Burke got caught golfing with Richards and his agent, and then the Leafs sign him. The NHL cracks down, the leafs forfeit picks and $$ and it becomes a huge deal.

ANY type of negotiation is illegal. Brad Richards is property of the Dallas Stars, and them only. Unless they've given consent for teams to speak to him its completely illegal.

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The golf game would be tampering in itself. If Burke got caught golfing with Richards and his agent, and then the Leafs sign him. The NHL cracks down, the leafs forfeit picks and $$ and it becomes a huge deal.

ANY type of negotiation is illegal. Brad Richards is property of the Dallas Stars, and them only. Unless they've given consent for teams to speak to him its completely illegal.
How about if Nonis bumps into the agent at timmy's? Just joking...

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^ Can our captain train with Richards in PEI?

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Yea sure. Trade up everything. Trade Schenn, Kadri, Kule; get #1C and go golfing again. Trading these assets for a star center is a stepback in team building.

a) You are breaking apart a 80 goal producing line.
b) You are trading away your D man; whom the GM himself refers to as the next captain material.
c) You are trading away your best prospect.


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Good idea, your inability to read makes it kind of pointless.

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