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05-10-2011, 11:32 AM
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Comparing Our Bottom 6 Forwards to SJ/Det

Line-ups from game time threads are:
Patrick Marleau Joe Thornton Devin Setoguchi
Dany Heatley Logan Couture Ryan Clowe
Torrey Mitchell Joe Pavelski Kyle Wellwood
Jamie McGinn Scott Nichol Jamal Mayers


Johan Franzen Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Holmstrom
Todd Bertuzzi Henrik Zetterberg Danny Cleary
Justin Abdelkader Valtteri Filppula Jiri Hudler
Kris Draper Darren Helm Patrick Eaves


D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Raymond
Torres - Lapierre - Hansen
Glass - Hodgson - Samuelsson


Definitely thinking that we will be talking about the bottom 6 in our next matchup, especially because I don't think it is as good as SJ or Det. How would you all rank them?

Top 5 Players in the Bottom 6's are IMO Pavelski, Hansen, Draper, Wellwood, and Filppula.

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Deeper defense or better bottom six? What's better to have? We'll find out.

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How about who's got a worse 4th line in the *entire* league than the Canucks?

(not that we don't have the "talent" to have a respectable one - only that due to the views of the coaching staff [eg., having Glass there], it's become that bad).

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Pavelski is the best player in that group, anything beyond that is a tossup. With the way Hansen has been playing, and if Samuelsson can get healthy(er) than our group is right in the thick of it.

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If Samuelsson starts playing like 2010 playoff Samuelsson the bottom-six is on par with SJ, IMO.

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If Clowe is out for San Jose, that really hurts their forward depth. It pushes Pavelski up the lineup.

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Not too concerned, honestly. This is where superior D depth will come into play.

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Wait, what? Is Clowe out? That's huge.

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san jose has 4 deep centers that can really win the faceoffs. van has 2. henrik/kesler. lappy's been pretty good as well.

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Detroit's 4th line is actually very good
likely the best of the bunch

defensive depth is where we should have the edge
that and in goal

and if the Sedins show up, we should be able to match or beat either on O

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san jose has 4 deep centers that can really win the faceoffs. van has 2. henrik/kesler. lappy's been pretty good as well.
Lapierre has been our best faceoff man overall, even if he takes less of them than the rest. Kesler wasn't very good against Chicago (if I recall correctly) but has stepped up against Nashville (in a huge way). Henrik is injured and will be around 50% at best.

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Not too concerned, honestly. This is where superior D depth will come into play.

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Deeper defense or better bottom six? What's better to have? We'll find out.
Is Aaron Rome really better than whoever San Jose or Detroit would have to match against him?

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Wow, I thought Draper was a fixture on the 3rd. Time passes way too quickly...

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Detroit's bottom six has been pretty lack-luster in the series against the Sharks; they were just talking about how much Filppula has been sucking, and wasn't Hudler out for Miller last game? Suppose they could turn it up against us hypothetically, but sure aren't showing signs of it.

San Jose's third line is somewhat problematic without Manny, but Lapierre has been doing quite well, and really the only reason I worry about that line is Pavelski anyways...Wellwood and Mitchell are pretty average third liners, and we can match that pretty easily.

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I think we match well against both teams. I don't think either team is really THAT much better. Having Pavelski on your 3rd line must be nice though.

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Samuelsson won't be back, so that changes our speed element if Oreo or Tamby are (interchangeably) in.

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This is where the loss of Malhotra is absolutely huge. Normally, with him in the lineup, I'd be fine comparing our third line to any in the league as his defensive prowess makes up for the lack of offensive prowess in comparison to a line that has guys like Pavelski and Filppula. Hopefully Lapierre and Torres can step up their games offensively as we really need some more offense from our bottom 6. I also thought that Samuelsson was done for at least a little while? If he is indeed healthy, having him in the bottom 6 does help a lot even if his play has been somewhat erratic up until this point.

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Samuelsson won't be back, so that changes our speed element if Oreo or Tamby are (interchangeably) in.
IMO Tambellini played better in one game than Samuelsson played in any of the previous games. His speed is very valuable. Especially against SJ he'll be one of our most valuable bottom 6 forwards.

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We are better without Samuelsson because theres not defensive liability on the point now for the powerplay.

Do any of these teams have a Ryan Kesler?

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I think we're better without Samuelsson. I hate seeing him come up the ice knowing he's going to do a drop pass and get intercepted by the other team. Or having him lose the puck at the blue on a PP and then have no legs to go after the other player. (injured in his defence, but then, get well or don't put yourself in those situations - or have your coach put you in those situations.. either or.) Tamby's gotta be hungry to make a difference after being a scratch for so long. Maybe there's some chemistry to be had with him and Hodgson. It would be interesting to see a Oreo/Hodgson/Tamby fourth.

Loss of Manny def hurts our third, but Lappy's done quite well for face offs. Dare I say he'll throw the body around harder than Manny will?

Sounds like there are some injuries to the other teams' bottom sixes as well... Clowe didn't make trip to DET, so that may change the make up of the third/fourth for SJ.

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Do any of these teams have a Ryan Kesler?
Datsyuk?

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IMO Tambellini played better in one game than Samuelsson played in any of the previous games. His speed is very valuable. Especially against SJ he'll be one of our most valuable bottom 6 forwards.
Yeah, I agree. Samuelsson really struggled the last while. He still picked up some points here and there but he was skating worse than usual and making poor decisions with the puck. Hope he can get make it back for the finals after a short rest.

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Is Aaron Rome really better than whoever San Jose or Detroit would have to match against him?
This is the problem. Even if you think Rome is playing a safer game than Ballard, we need Ballard's ceiling in this round. It's hard to believe AV isn't going to **** this up.

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