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05-31-2011, 03:43 PM
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"You look around the league at teams that are consistently winning, and it starts at the top. It's always that way,'' Richards said. "It makes things clearer for a guy like Joe [Nieuwendyk] and what he's doing. How many times have we talked about ownership this year? There are a lot teams where you don't have to talk about it, you never talk about it. You just go play hockey, and things are always taken care of."

When asked if his past experiences with Tampa have taught him a few things, he said yes.

"It just makes everything smoother," Richards said of strong ownership. "You are competing against teams that are going to spend $63 million next year, teams that are in the playoffs now that are Cup contenders and are going to be just as good or better next year. We've got to compete with that. That starts with ownership, and that's why it's on my mind and that's why I'm asking questions."
http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/arch...ly-abou-1.html

Six weeks later,ownership is still the topic.

The Stars have spent close to the floor the last two seasons. From reading Heika's latest article,the Stars are going to spend the same amount of money. $47M will the floor to a $63M cap. New ownership could increase the payroll when the ownership is finally settled but they will be playing catch up.

It's great for the lenders to have Gaglardi sign a purchase agreement and then have Cuban/Quinn and other interested parties get into a bidding war for the team but it only hurts the team going forward.

If your Richards,when do you say enough? Three years without making the playoffs and ownership will still be unsettled when other teams are making moves for next season. Another wasted year off his career.

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Dallas is going to offer Richards $64M? Please stop. Who is going to authorize that?

Gaglardi might not even end up with the team. What does Richards do then? He's left holding his dick in his hand looking like an idiot. If Gaglardi gets the team in July or August,how much money is Dallas going to spend on payroll? These are decisions which need to be made way before July 1. Richards made a comment after the season about going up against teams in the West which spend to the upper limit and Dallas spends to the floor. Why should put his future in Gaglardi's hands when he doesn't even know him?. Richards has been patient here waiting for the lenders to get their act together.
Look I don't know.

I am following your reports with great excitement (as always they are invaluble!!!) and I indeed think they are good news.

Do we know that another buyer can come during a 30/60 day period? Or is it just for the creditors?

I am still not absolutely convinced that Dallas is off the list. Like I wouldn't rule out the possibility of everyone knowing before the process is over if you get what I mean. I am afraid that things could start to move after the SPA is officially signed.

Realistically, people do not want to move. And if Dallas would go for it, Dallas is a very good position for Brad Richards.

I want to point out though that I certainly do not know that its not the other way around either, that its still a complete cluster pfhk or maybe this Giligardi is a complete joke or whatever, I don't have a clue.

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“My goal over the next 30 days is to make sure that [GM] Joe [Nieuwendyk] has a budget he can work with,” Tavares said. “Joe has the authority now to go out and interview coaches. He and I will get together on the final decision. We need to be able to function in a normal fashion. As long as we do that, I am OK.”
Budgets? The lenders are still paying the bills and establishing the budget.

Tony Tavares isn't sure when Gaglardi will complete a purchase agreement with the lenders

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“We got a little sidetracked the last week to ten days or so. These are complicated deals and it’s not unusual for that to happen,” Tavares said. “But we seem to be completely back on track and I am ever more optimistic about getting something done here with ownership. As for an exact date, I can’t tell you because when you have as many lawyers as we have involved in this process right now, it takes longer than you want it too. Hopefully we can be more instructive over the next few weeks as to what is going on.
Few weeks?That is what the Globe and Mail reported yesterday. Bettman apparently made some comments and he also said "weeks". The Dallas Morning News reported by the end of the week(maybe)but that seems optimistic.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/stars...-wait-for-sale

Today is June 1. Free agency begins 4 weeks from this Friday. Look at the calendar. The team has to be sold to Gaglardi. Submit the package to the bankruptcy court. The judge determines how long the process will take. Other bidders can submit their offers. Schedule court dates. Adjournments.

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Budgets? The lenders are still paying the bills and establishing the budget.

Tony Tavares isn't sure when Gaglardi will complete a purchase agreement with the lenders



Few weeks?That is what the Globe and Mail reported yesterday. Bettman apparently made some comments and he also said "weeks". The Dallas Morning News reported by the end of the week(maybe)but that seems optimistic.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/stars...-wait-for-sale

Today is June 1. Free agency begins 4 weeks from this Friday. Look at the calendar. The team has to be sold to Gaglardi. Submit the package to the bankruptcy court. The judge determines how long the process will take. Other bidders can submit their offers. Schedule court dates. Adjournments.
But you're still operating under the mistaken belief that Dallas has to have new ownership fully in place by July 1sts for Richards to even consider staying. It's not unfathomable that Richards sees the progress and decides to hold off on signing a few weeks until he sees what settles in Dallas. It's not even unfathomable that Richards sees the progress toward new ownership and decides to stay outright.

I'm not sure why you're jumping on the fact that the lenders have imposed a budget right now. Obviously the lenders will continue to set the budget until a new owner is found.

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06-01-2011, 07:59 AM
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But you're still operating under the mistaken belief that Dallas has to have new ownership fully in place by July 1sts for Richards to even consider staying. It's not unfathomable that Richards sees the progress and decides to hold off on signing a few weeks until he sees what settles in Dallas. It's not even unfathomable that Richards sees the progress toward new ownership and decides to stay outright.

I'm not sure why you're jumping on the fact that the lenders have imposed a budget right now. Obviously the lenders will continue to set the budget until a new owner is found.
How long can he reasonably wait? The Rangers aren't going to sit around waiting for him to decide. They will present their offer on July 1st and, if Richards doesn't accept within a certain timeframe, they are going to look at other options. Richards might end up waiting too long and be left with little or no options.

And something I think you are still missing in all of this. Gaglardi can make all the promises in the world. He can promise Richards a lucrative contract, he can promise to spend to the cap. But the fact of the matter is, he may not even be the owner by the end of the bankruptcy process, which could be as late as mid August the way things are going. If the judge sets the bankruptcy process at 60 days, do you really think Richards is going to wait around to see what happens?

Of course there's still a chance that Richards re-signs with dallas, but every day that passes without the deal being done makes it that much less likely.

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How long can he reasonably wait? The Rangers aren't going to sit around waiting for him to decide. They will present their offer on July 1st and, if Richards doesn't accept within a certain timeframe, they are going to look at other options. Richards might end up waiting too long and be left with little or no options.

And something I think you are still missing in all of this. Gaglardi can make all the promises in the world. He can promise Richards a lucrative contract, he can promise to spend to the cap. But the fact of the matter is, he may not even be the owner by the end of the bankruptcy process, which could be as late as mid August the way things are going. If the judge sets the bankruptcy process at 60 days, do you really think Richards is going to wait around to see what happens?

Of course there's still a chance that Richards re-signs with dallas, but every day that passes without the deal being done makes it that much less likely.
I agree that Richards can not really "wait and see". I mean, he can of course wait to sign a paper if he is certain he will get to sign it, but he would need to be certain of it of course.

The key is that Richards does not only want the dough from Dallas, he wants to be sure that they will go for it. That is really the key. Joe N can offer Richards a big deal today. I mean he has a budget that he needs to keep by like June 2012, and unless he gets more all he needs to do is ship out other contracts to afford BR. The problem is not Dallas budget, the problem is that Richards needs to be assured that the new management will go for it.

[When] Can someone give a promise to BR that they will put money into the team, and when can Richards trust that promise? -- that is the question really.

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But you're still operating under the mistaken belief that Dallas has to have new ownership fully in place by July 1sts for Richards to even consider staying. It's not unfathomable that Richards sees the progress and decides to hold off on signing a few weeks until he sees what settles in Dallas. It's not even unfathomable that Richards sees the progress toward new ownership and decides to stay outright.

I'm not sure why you're jumping on the fact that the lenders have imposed a budget right now. Obviously the lenders will continue to set the budget until a new owner is found.
Aren't you still operating under the potentially mistaken belief that Dallas is really the place that Richards wants to play the most?

Considering how much Richards keeps talking about wanting to win, it makes me think more and more that he doesn't really want to remain in Dallas at all. Dallas has a few very attractive pieces at forward, but their defense is far below average, and their goaltending is adequate, but not great. The Rangers, with Richards, are a better team than the Stars are with him.

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Aren't you still operating under the potentially mistaken belief that Dallas is really the place that Richards wants to play the most?

Considering how much Richards keeps talking about wanting to win, it makes me think more and more that he doesn't really want to remain in Dallas at all. Dallas has a few very attractive pieces at forward, but their defense is far below average, and their goaltending is adequate, but not great. The Rangers, with Richards, are a better team than the Stars are with him.
I am not operating under any such belief. I am simply stating that people should not be celebrating even delayed progrerss toward stable ownership in Dallas, because the above scenarios are not unfathomable.

Good news would be that Dallas search for an owner has fallen through, not that it may take a week or two longer than we thought it would.

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I am not operating under any such belief. I am simply stating that people should not be celebrating even delayed progrerss toward stable ownership in Dallas, because the above scenarios are not unfathomable.

Good news would be that Dallas search for an owner has fallen through, not that it may take a week or two longer than we thought it would.
IMO, their ownership situation could be resolved today, and he still isn't going to sign there. Dallas is not built to contend, especially in the West.

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Aren't you still operating under the potentially mistaken belief that Dallas is really the place that Richards wants to play the most?

Considering how much Richards keeps talking about wanting to win, it makes me think more and more that he doesn't really want to remain in Dallas at all. Dallas has a few very attractive pieces at forward, but their defense is far below average, and their goaltending is adequate, but not great. The Rangers, with Richards, are a better team than the Stars are with him.

I'm certainly all for Richards, but one of the things he's openly stated was that he didn't want his cap hit to be a detriment to the team he signs with. Some on this board would have you believe that statement is good news for us. I read it entirely differently... mainly due to the fact that even IF he signs with us for a reduced (for him) cap hit... we will still be hamstrung cap wise... i.e. in that sense his cap hit will still be a detriment.

Now obviously that could change if one or more of Drury, WW, and even Avery are bought out. But I don't see it as a lock by any stretch.

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I'm certainly all for Richards, but one of the things he's openly stated was that he didn't want his cap hit to be a detriment to the team he signs with. Some on this board would have you believe that statement is good news for us. I read it entirely differently... mainly due to the fact that even IF he signs with us for a reduced (for him) cap hit... we will still be hamstrung cap wise... i.e. in that sense his cap hit will still be a detriment.

Now obviously that could change if one or more of Drury, WW, and even Avery are bought out. But I don't see it as a lock by any stretch.
Even if Drury isn't bought out, how long would we be in a tough spot, capwise? One season? All three of those contracts expire after next season. Cap space is not going to be an issue for more than one year, if even that long.

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On the Leafs forum there's talk about a radio station that said Richards to the Leafs was a "done deal." I don't even know what that means. UFA hasn't started yet soo... Anyone else hear anything about it?

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On the Leafs forum there's talk about a radio station that said Richards to the Leafs was a "done deal." I don't even know what that means. UFA hasn't started yet soo... Anyone else hear anything about it?
could be they are trading for his rights.

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On the Leafs forum there's talk about a radio station that said Richards to the Leafs was a "done deal." I don't even know what that means. UFA hasn't started yet soo... Anyone else hear anything about it?
Link to the thread? I'm not seeing this on their board.

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On the Leafs forum there's talk about a radio station that said Richards to the Leafs was a "done deal." I don't even know what that means. UFA hasn't started yet soo... Anyone else hear anything about it?
Which thread is that?

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Link to the thread? I'm not seeing this on their board.
Hahah, I hope it plays out like when the Flyers traded for Hamhuis' rights.

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Hahah, I hope it plays out like when the Flyers traded for Hamhuis' rights.
I don't think it plays out at all. I see no reference to what alphaqup was referring to on the Leafs board. Does/did anyone else see this?

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Which thread is that?
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=912730&page=22

Starts at post 529.

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I didn't hear it but a colleague of mine told me 30 mins ago that Stephen Brunt said on the FAN 590 that the Richards deal was all but done with Toronto, normally I wouldn't put much stock into what co workers say but this guy knows hockey. Did anyone else hear this? It's not April and it is hard for me to believe Brunt would say this, but I think he was serious.
That's LOL worthy, none of it has any truth to it, besides his 'colleague' likes to be an ass to him

While I was trying to find it, I saw something else, while they were discussing the 'who has the advantage: NYR or TOR?" thing on the Leafs board. Richards likes that 'elegant' life style with his wine tasting and such. He'll have tons of that in NY, he has friends with restaurants, he's a Yankee fan, etc...

the decision is getting easier Brad

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That's LOL worthy, none of it has any truth to it, besides his 'colleague' likes to be an ass to him

While I was trying to find it, I saw something else, while they were discussing the 'who has the advantage: NYR or TOR?" thing on the Leafs board. Richards likes that 'elegant' life style with his wine tasting and such. He'll have tons of that in NY, he has friends with restaurants, he's a Yankee fan, etc...

the decision is getting easier Brad
Yeah, those posts made me laugh. They read like, "How do they have the advantage? All they have are a better goaltender, better defense, better coach, made the playoffs last 5 of 6 years. We had a better second half to the season!!!"

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