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05-16-2011, 10:13 AM
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You could construct a Jeff Carter for Bryz's rights deal with some other young parts coming back the other way (PHX has some good young talent, obviously). Carter for Bryz's rights, however, is idiotic.
With Homer, anything is possible.

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05-16-2011, 10:19 AM
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Once again, you are making this deal with the knowledge that a deal is in place. The numbers are worked out, and once a trade is facilitated they sit down and sign the deal. How would it dirve up his price if the deal is already negotiated and he is not in the UFA market.

IF Bryzgalov and his agent say they will not agree to a deal in principle, they want to test the UFA market, then the attention focuses on Vokoun.
Even with a deal in place neither is worth anything remotely close to Carter in a trade.

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05-16-2011, 10:20 AM
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Versteeg to PHX for Bryz would make me a happy, happy man.
As much as people are going to give Versteeg a bunch of crap for his play with the Flyers he is the exact winger that a guy like Richards needs. He was caught up doing too many of the same things that the other "skill" guys on this team were doing, making things too complicated. Trying to make the finesse, pass, or deke two guys. But if you look at Versteeg when he is doing what he is a good at he is exactly the type of winger this team needs.

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Trading Carter for rights and failing to sign Bryz would probably go down as one of the worst deals in Flyers history. That's entirely possible, too. Trading for rights is in no way a guarantee.

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05-16-2011, 10:25 AM
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Even with a deal in place neither is worth anything remotely close to Carter in a trade.
Yup, just sign JSG, trade away Carle and promote Gustafsson into the lineup.


Pronger(post-back surgery)/Meszaros
Timonen/Coburn
Gustafsson/Hejda

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Yup, that exudes a ton of confidence.

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05-16-2011, 10:26 AM
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Don't we already have a "trade Carter" thread?


Can we not derail this one as well?

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05-16-2011, 10:28 AM
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So in his last 2 articles, Tim has sent Carter to the Leafs and now Phoenix. What's next? LA? Vancouver? He's just making the rounds. Honestly, the way he writes about his source makes it seem like he's part of the CIA or something. What a hack.

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05-16-2011, 10:28 AM
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Trading Carter for rights and failing to sign Bryz would probably go down as one of the worst deals in Flyers history. That's entirely possible, too. Trading for rights is in no way a guarantee.
So, if the Flyers entered the Boston series with Bryzgalov, do you think they win?

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05-16-2011, 10:30 AM
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Don't we already have a "trade Carter" thread?


Can we not derail this one as well?
The thread is about getting a goalie, I am sorry that it seems the legit way to get it done seems to surround the one guy no one wants to give up.

How about Giroux or JvR for Bryzgalov? Any way you cut it this team should have goalie as priority number one.

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05-16-2011, 10:32 AM
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Yup, just sign JSG, trade away Carle and promote Gustafsson into the lineup.


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Yup, that exudes a ton of confidence.
Dude, signing rights are worth, at best, a 1st rd pick.

And way to set up yet another paper tiger to make yourself feel better.

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So, if the Flyers entered the Boston series with Bryzgalov, do you think they win?
No. Unless Bryz scores lots of goals too.

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The thread is about getting a goalie, I am sorry that it seems the legit way to get it done seems to surround the one guy no one wants to give up.

How about Giroux or JvR for Bryzgalov? Any way you cut it this team should have goalie as priority number one.
Your solution to every single problem is "Trade Carter." You derail every single thread you enter with it. It's old. Believe it or not, there ARE other solutions that don't require dismantling the core of players this team has...a core that at least 12 other teams in the East alone would kill to have.

Cut it out, and stop trying to turn this into another one of your love-fests.

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As much as people are going to give Versteeg a bunch of crap for his play with the Flyers he is the exact winger that a guy like Richards needs. He was caught up doing too many of the same things that the other "skill" guys on this team were doing, making things too complicated. Trying to make the finesse, pass, or deke two guys. But if you look at Versteeg when he is doing what he is a good at he is exactly the type of winger this team needs.
I agree Versteeg > Carter.

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05-16-2011, 10:35 AM
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So, if the Flyers entered the Boston series with Bryzgalov, do you think they win?
Who the hell knows but I would have to say I think our chances would be greatly improved.

The real question would be how would the team play with him instead of Bob, Leighton, and Boosh.

Would Carter still suck? Would Timonen? It's a tough question.

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05-16-2011, 10:40 AM
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Trading Carter for rights and failing to sign Bryz would probably go down as one of the worst deals in Flyers history. That's entirely possible, too. Trading for rights is in no way a guarantee.
Any deal for Bryzgalov's rights has to be structured like the deal with Nashville for Timonen and Hartnell's rights. Homer had 48 hours to reach agreements on contracts with both of them, then the deal was done, the first pick for the rights.


I'd trade Versteeg for the rights to Bryz, but not without a deal in place.

I really think they have to decide who is going, Versteeg + Carle, Timonen, Briere, Carter or Richards.

That will determine which goalie they can afford and how they go about it.

I don't want Carter or Richards traded, but if they decide to deal one of them, then they can do much better than Bryzgalov.

Backstrom and Kiprusoff have been mentioned and they might be available for a front line centre - which both teams need.

I'd prefer to trade Versteeg's rights to Florida for the rights to negotiate with Vokoun - we could sign him more cheaply than Bryz and he's the type of vet that would be perfect for the team as Bob develops.

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05-16-2011, 10:52 AM
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Dude, signing rights are worth, at best, a 1st rd pick.

And way to set up yet another paper tiger to make yourself feel better.
Look at Timonen and Hartnell. Any deal is going to revolve around the rights to sign, and a #1 pick/prospect for Carter. Seems like it certainly fills the ultimate need, eh?


Flyers trade for, then sign Timonen, Hartnell
June 18, 2007|By Tim Panaccio, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER


Rather than allow the free-agent market to dictate terms and conditions on July 1, the Flyers took matters into their own hands this afternoon, trading for unrestricted free agent defenseman Kimmo Timonen and unrestricted free agent left winger Scott Hartnell of Nashville.

Both players agreed to six-year deals with the Flyers. Timonen's $37.8 million contract will average $6.3 million against the cap while Hartnell's $25.2 million deal averages $4.2 million.

The Predators got back their first-round pick (No. 23 overall) that came to the Flyers last winter during the Peter Forsberg deal.

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I agree Versteeg > Carter.
You have to really let this go.

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Look at Timonen and Hartnell. Any deal is going to revolve around the rights to sign, and a #1 pick/prospect for Carter. Seems like it certainly fills the ultimate need, eh?


Flyers trade for, then sign Timonen, Hartnell
June 18, 2007|By Tim Panaccio, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER


Rather than allow the free-agent market to dictate terms and conditions on July 1, the Flyers took matters into their own hands this afternoon, trading for unrestricted free agent defenseman Kimmo Timonen and unrestricted free agent left winger Scott Hartnell of Nashville.

Both players agreed to six-year deals with the Flyers. Timonen's $37.8 million contract will average $6.3 million against the cap while Hartnell's $25.2 million deal averages $4.2 million.

The Predators got back their first-round pick (No. 23 overall) that came to the Flyers last winter during the Peter Forsberg deal.
So, lemme get this straight. You think a top 10 goal scorer in the NHL has pick and prospect value?

That trade you just proposed is highway robbery for PHX.

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tim-P...Answer/2/35871
Tim Panaccio explains the sources of his story and other details.

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No. Unless Bryz scores lots of goals too.
But wait, I thought the theory was that the team played without confidence because the goalie could not stop a beach ball? Did they have problems scoring in last years playoffs. How many goals did My Intangible put up in the playoffs, any GW'ers?? Oh, he was injured.

Sometimes it is not about the goals you score, but the goals you do not give up!!!!

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Your solution to every single problem is "Trade Carter." You derail every single thread you enter with it. It's old. Believe it or not, there ARE other solutions that don't require dismantling the core of players this team has...a core that at least 12 other teams in the East alone would kill to have.

Cut it out, and stop trying to turn this into another one of your love-fests.

No, this is about resolving the #1 issue on this team, GOALTENDING. It is about using the resources on this team to get the deal done: Briere(NMC), Richards, Hartnell(NTC), Carter. And I know that the Bruins and TB seem to have done well with their core, so not sure that your last comment holds any water. Maybe teams would love to have a player or two, but the entire core group seem to be a bit fragile in the head and it showed in this years playoffs.

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So, lemme get this straight. You think a top 10 goal scorer in the NHL has pick and prospect value?

That trade you just proposed is highway robbery for PHX.
Do you think a legit #1 goalie is worth more/less than a 1B scoring center is not not even used at center on this team? Again, put Bryzgalov in net in games one and two and do you think the Flyers lose?

The crux of the deal is player for player, my hope is that Homer would also get a #1 pick/prospect out of the deal. Was Gagne for Walker a fair deal? Or was Homer hedging his bet that he needed to get some cap relief to keep Meszaros and Walker would help to add defensive depth which was last seasons offseason goal?

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This core has won 6 playoff series the last few years. What should Washington do,trade Ovechkin?

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Do you think a legit #1 goalie is worth more/less than a 1B scoring center is not not even used at center on this team? Again, put Bryzgalov in net in games one and two and do you think the Flyers lose?

The crux of the deal is player for player, my hope is that Homer would also get a #1 pick/prospect out of the deal. Was Gagne for Walker a fair deal? Or was Homer hedging his bet that he needed to get some cap relief to keep Meszaros and Walker would help to add defensive depth which was last seasons offseason goal?
He's a *ing free agent dude. He has free agent trade value, not #1 goalie value. What you are talking about is idiotic overpayment.

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You have to really let this go.

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If the Flyers trade Carter for rights, we should be getting: 1) those rights, 2) a first, and 3) a very good prospect, at least.

We are talking rights here. If there's a condition, fine, but Jeff Carter for a pick and rights is worse than the Gagne trade (not including Mez).

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He didn't explain it. The source is probably laughing his ass off right now because he's made both Tim and Bryz to look like idiots. Tim looks like a fool for his spy story, Bryz isn't a team player and goes goofy so needs to be babysat.

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