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05-11-2011, 04:25 AM
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Marleau for Campbell

Just wondering, would you consider this?

Marleau struggles in the playoffs, but the Hawks have heart from other members of the team and also have a huge need for a center so that Sharpie can play wing again.

San Jose needs defense and out of Marleau's contract.


The needs are their, Chicago's reason to do this is because Marleau has significantly less years on his contract.

San Jose's is because Marleau just does not fit in their plans and they need to allocate that money to defense (and Brian Campbell is at least a #3 defenseman).


Assuming both players waive, would you do this? Would you be OK to add a piece on top of this (project prospect or a mid pick). Would you expect more to be added?

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straight up?

I would consider this. But it's no easy decision.

Who should add?
post this on the main boards?

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Doug Wilson would be fired if he did this. And as you mentioned, Marleau has an NMC -- I'm betting he'd rather stay in SJ.

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Doesn't San Jose hate Campbell?

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Doesn't San Jose hate Campbell?
Yup! And Campbell loves it when Sharks fans boo him so it doesn't really work out for both sides.

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Yes, I'd do this deal.

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05-11-2011, 10:13 AM
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Where does Chicago sign?

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I'm not sure that SJ would give up their former captain and important piece for Campbell just because he wasn't that good in the playoffs.

Hawks win this in every way possible... and I would absolutely love it. I just don't think there's even an iota of reason why they would trade Marleau for Campbell, from a SJ perspective.

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ship it. absolutely.

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Anyone who wouldn't do this should be fired from the board tbh

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Marleau was the only Shark that showed up last year against the hawks. That being said, hasn't Campbell made it clear he doesnt want to play out west?

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Anyone who wouldn't do this should be fired from the board tbh
I heard bwc wouldn't do it.

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Wow, if we could get Marleau for Campbell I would drive Campbell to San Jose and buy a round for your whole organization.

No way Campbell waives his NTC to go to SJ
No way San Jose offers Marelau straight up
No way Chicago would ever turn it down if the above 2 happened.

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Nice proposal, but will never happen!

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Ok I was just testing the waters from the Chicago side.

Most SJS fans want Marleau out.


As for the people not getting why San Jose does it here are some quick points I think help the cause:


1) Marleau may have showed up in the past but this is the first year they have depth scoring really stepping up (Wellwood, Mitchell, Couture even Thornton). For him to no-show in a year where they have their best shot is just too much for his contract size.

2) That money they're paying him is better spent on their shallow defense. Boyle is getting older they need a successor. Blake leaving already left one hole that went unfilled.

3) If they lose this year, someone will be blamed, and it won't be Wilson, McLellan, Thornton or Niemi.

4) There is a reason Marleau wasn't given the captaincy back after Blake left.

5) There's actually a chance Marleau would waive for Chicago cause it's a city players want to play in and he has a chance at a cup ring.


So after hearing the response I think Chicago is obviously going to need to add, how about a D prospect? Any medium prospects you guys know you have?


As for Campbell not waiving cause of a beef with San Jose, that would be a shame, but there's been tons of times hated players go to fanbases that dislike them only to be welcomed with open arms. Everything is sort of forgotten once you score your first goal.

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I'd throw in one of Lalonde, Vish, Johns, Lavin, etc.

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05-11-2011, 04:32 PM
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^ Okay but what do you plan to add to get both Douglas Murray and Tomas Greiss, neither of which will be cheap.

You'd probably have to send Hossa the other way, which some people might be OK with (Hossa was getting a lot of flak for his play in the playoffs this year).

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^ Okay but what do you plan to add to get both Douglas Murray and Tomas Greiss, neither of which will be cheap.

You'd probably have to send Hossa the other way, which some people might be OK with (Hossa was getting a lot of flak for his play in the playoffs this year).

While I would to have Marleau, does it really fit in for the future as well?

Herein lies the problem. With that line up above, you risk not being able to sign Sharp, and IF we do manage to sign him, once again were up against the cap... unless the cap continously goes up thanks to improved revenue and the new TV deal... BUT WAIT...

THERES MORE...

.. the CBA expires soon and the league may want the cap reduced....

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The NHLPA would win a battle to increase the cap. Courts would side with them, all the NHLPA would have to do is cite the figures that other professional athletes make. What the NHLPA is asking for looks dwarfed under those numbers.

So I wouldn't worry about the CBA. And the cap will go up.

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^ Okay but what do you plan to add to get both Douglas Murray and Tomas Greiss, neither of which will be cheap.

You'd probably have to send Hossa the other way, which some people might be OK with (Hossa was getting a lot of flak for his play in the playoffs this year).
A decent second pairing defenseman and a goalie who still has yet to really crack the Sharks lineup is worth Marian Hossa?

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San Jose would never do this.

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A decent second pairing defenseman and a goalie who still has yet to really crack the Sharks lineup is worth Marian Hossa?
look at the whole deal buddy

Marleau, Murray, Greiss

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Hossa, Campbell


We all agree Marleau > Campbell in value. So now on top of that you're adding Murray who is an underrated big body defensemen signed to a sweetheart cap hit of 2.5 and a young prospect goalie that showed to be very good and only didn't crack the Sharks line-up because of injury + the late acquisition of Niemi after getting Niittymaki as a back-up plan.

that's a lot more valuable than Campbell. Hossa going back about evens it up.

I also chose Hossa cause people on the board expressed interest in moving him and not wanting him for the next 11 or so years.

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^ Okay but what do you plan to add to get both Douglas Murray and Tomas Greiss, neither of which will be cheap.

You'd probably have to send Hossa the other way, which some people might be OK with (Hossa was getting a lot of flak for his play in the playoffs this year).
Hossa was one of our leading scorers and one of our best defensively.

People keep saying this, are they not watching the games?

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