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It's close, but I wouldn't do it. Maybe Hemsky and the 31st for 8th
Uneducated? See Hemský injures. Do you think Columbus is a team what can pay similar player? We are not Detroit or Philadelphia . Next, Gilbert. His defensive play is terrible, he often makes mistakes he is not fit for Arniel style plus he is not extra speed. The better would be to let play Savard, Moore or Goloubef as him. Pahlsson is an excelent defensive player with good FO he can play hard. Cogliano? FO tragical, his defensive play is much whorse than Pahlsson hits? What is it? And if offenive, so Johansen is better in it.
I wouldn't do the trade as posted unless a significant piece was added -- a conditional 1st 2012 from Edmonton.
The conditions being that if Hemsky is put on the IR before February or plays less than 60 games in 2011-2012, then Columbus gets Edmonton's 1st. Columbus wouldn't be able to afford putting him onto IR unless he actually had to be there, and couldn't afford to sit him out while he's healthy.
I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, and then attempt to flip Hemsky for a better defender if I could, if I couldn't then I'd enjoy my 70 point game breaking winger for basically the 8th pick. Oh and I get to unload crappy contracts while taking back better players for the team that CBJ wants to build.
I wouldn't do the trade as posted unless a significant piece was added -- a conditional 1st 2012 from Edmonton.
The conditions being that if Hemsky is put on the IR before February or plays less than 60 games in 2011-2012, then Columbus gets Edmonton's 1st. Columbus wouldn't be able to afford putting him onto IR unless he actually had to be there, and couldn't afford to sit him out while he's healthy.
I think you're overlooking the fact you're saving enough on just Huselius to pay for hemsky, not to mention you dump a bad contract in commodore as well.
Edmonton won't even consider making this deal, and you want us to add a first? In a draft said to be much deeper next year, the oilers wouldn't trade a potential top 5 pick for that entire Columbus package, not to mention adding hemsky, Gilbert, a late first, etc.
If Columbus doesn't need wingers, that's fine and they can deal the 8th overall pick for help on the backend, but I'm not convinced howson thinks that makes them a playoff team. I think you need more offense, and hemsky brings an element of dynamic playmaking to play with Nash.
Sure, he has injuries and it's definitely a risk, so it will come down to whether howson thinks he needs to get desperate to win and keep his job or not.
Most CBJ fans have spoke of a need to win next year vs keeping 8th overall. At issue as well is money as CBJ has been rumoured of losing upwards of 10 mil this year. So here goes:
To CBJ: Hemsky, Gilbert, Cogliano 31st
To EDM: Huselius, Commodore, Pahlsson, 8th
Neither team is worried of the cap implications, so the real money works out like this:
10.9mil to the Oilers
11.1mil to the Jackets (based on Cogliano taking the mandatory 10% raise on a QO - 1.1mil)
After the 11/12 season Gilbert actually makes less than his cap hit (3.5 and 3 with a 4 hit). Say what you will of him being overpaid, he would have been (at worst) a #3 on the Jackets last year - making him worth his contract more so than a Commodore in the AHL.
Fair value? Change 31st to 19th?
if the 8th pick is worth hemsky... thats a good 8th overall pick. not many years the top 8 players are all better then hemsky.
lets call that a trade off...
gilbert for huselius feels even to me. im pretty sure gilbert has way more potential to bounce back and become worth more again, but he isnt doing that in edmonton
commodore has huge negative value...
pahlson might be worth the 31st i guess
then you just throw away cogliano for nothing
frankly when you break down piece by piece here... edmonton loses or potentially loses every single breakdown. not a chance in hell theyd do this deal. and no, im not an oiler fan. im a bruin fan but no way in hell oilers think twice about this before they laugh and turn it down cold
Sure, he has injuries and it's definitely a risk, so it will come down to whether howson thinks he needs to get desperate to win and keep his job or not.
Hemsky getting injured each year is less of a "risk" and more of a "certainty." He does Columbus absolutely no good while sitting in the stands.
Hemsky getting injured each year is less of a "risk" and more of a "certainty." He does Columbus absolutely no good while sitting in the stands.
But Huselius carried the team on his back in the 39 games he dressed for? (Fewer than Hemsky last year).
I knew it would be impossible to get through this thread without Hemsky bashing, only to follow with " we'll only trade 8th for a major upgrade!" Who? Who is going to fit the salary schematic for a cash strapped team? So basically the Jackets are looking for someone who is a superior player to Hemsky, making less money AND the other team may have to eat some salary from the Jackets just to keep their crippled franchise afloat. Who is this player again and what team does he play for?
But Huselius carried the team on his back in the 39 games he dressed for? (Fewer than Hemsky last year).
I knew it would be impossible to get through this thread without Hemsky bashing, only to follow with " we'll only trade 8th for a major upgrade!" Who? Who is going to fit the salary schematic for a cash strapped team? So basically the Jackets are looking for someone who is a superior player to Hemsky, making less money AND the other team may have to eat some salary from the Jackets just to keep their crippled franchise afloat. Who is this player again and what team does he play for?
Don't know off the top of my head, but I can already tell you he's a defenseman, and so Hemsky is disqualified.
So the Jackets unload 3 cap problems on Edmonton for a pair of useful players and a throw in? In exchange for jumping from 31st to 8th?
Oilers would have to really really REALLY want that 8th pick bad...
Who are the pair of useful players?
The bottom-6, small, non-physical center that can't win a face off?
The over-paid, #5 defenseman?
Or the guy that has played a grand total of 69 games the past two years and is one year away from UFA?
I consider Pahlsson to be an elite 3rd line shutdown center. Maybe it's just me, but if I'm picking guys for my PK I start with him (excluding offensive stars who play D really well ala Datsyuk).
If you consider Pahlsson's ridiculous cap hit and age, Cogliano is probably just as valuable. Its not as close as you think.
But Huselius carried the team on his back in the 39 games he dressed for? (Fewer than Hemsky last year).
I knew it would be impossible to get through this thread without Hemsky bashing, only to follow with " we'll only trade 8th for a major upgrade!" Who? Who is going to fit the salary schematic for a cash strapped team? So basically the Jackets are looking for someone who is a superior player to Hemsky, making less money AND the other team may have to eat some salary from the Jackets just to keep their crippled franchise afloat. Who is this player again and what team does he play for?
Alexander Burrows! Just imagine! If he starts doing steriods now I'm sure he could pump out 40+ goals... and what's his cap hit? 2.5M? Pretty much no injury history. It TOTALLY works!
Yeah I feel ya dude. It's like going into Macdondals asking for a sugar/fat free meal.
You're not going to get a first line forward making less than 5 mill per year and a first line forward making less than 5 mill per year isn't gonna come for free.
Remember when we had those Commadore + 1st rounder for Hemsky threads a few years back? Man... glad that didn't happen.
Who are the pair of useful players?
The bottom-6, small, non-physical center that can't win a face off? The over-paid, #5 defenseman?
Or the guy that has played a grand total of 69 games the past two years and is one year away from UFA?
Really? He'd be a 2nd pairing guy on your team. And for Hemsky to not even be considered a "useful player" let alone a legit 1st line winger just makes you look like a D-Bag with an agenda. Zero insight must have been hard to attain, so congrats.
Really? He'd be a 2nd pairing guy on your team. And for Hemsky to not even be considered a "useful player" let alone a legit 1st line winger just makes you look like a D-Bag with an agenda. Zero insight must have been hard to attain, so congrats.
Players are only useful when on the ice... something Hemsky has been unable to do the last 2 years.
Players are only useful when on the ice... something Hemsky has been unable to do the last 2 years.
Well, glad you can count games played (and that you only count recorded stats 2 yrs back and no further). What you may want to do however is actually take into consideration what the player brings to the table. I wouldn't think this would be a problem for a Bruins fan considering you had a core player who missed nearly an entire year to concussions, as well as 18 games the following season a few years back. So was Patrice Bergeron a useless player only a few seasons ago? Will he be if there are ill effects of his most recent concussion if he misses the rest of the playoffs?
Since the Lockout:
Hemsky GP 360 pts 331 -10
Bergeron GP 385 pts 298 +5
Other than Hemsky sacrificing a little O for D (and Bergeron vice versa), what makes these players any different? And please do answer. Your ground to stand on is about as solid as San Jose hosting a winter classic.
Well, glad you can count games played (and that you only count recorded stats 2 yrs back and no further). What you may want to do however is actually take into consideration what the player brings to the table. I wouldn't think this would be a problem for a Bruins fan considering you had a core player who missed nearly an entire year to concussions, as well as 18 games the following season a few years back. So was Patrice Bergeron a useless player only a few seasons ago? Will he be if there are ill effects of his most recent concussion if he misses the rest of the playoffs?
Since the Lockout:
Hemsky GP 360 pts 331 -10
Bergeron GP 385 pts 298 +5
Other than Hemsky sacrificing a little O for D (and Bergeron vice versa), what makes these players any different? And please do answer. Your ground to stand on is about as solid as San Jose hosting a winter classic.
I have no idea what Boston or Patrice Bergeron have to do with this conversation... but since you brought it up, most would agree Patrice a few seasons ago (shortly after his concussions) was as valuable as Hemsky is today. Most fans here would give up nothing more then a 2nd round pick for him... and he had multiply years left on his contract, not one year left on a UFA contract.
I think that the original trade is too complicated. Keep it simple....
Hemsky+#31 for #8. I would think that Howson would love to assemble a
Nash-Johansen-Hemsky line and the Oilers can add another big piece to the rebuild at #8.
I cheer for Edmonton and as a fan of Edmonton I would not be happy if they do this deal. I want Oiler Management to gamble on Hemsky; either sign him long term (and hope he stays healthy) or trade him at the 2012 TDL for the best return. Rental UFAs go for a pretty penny come deadline time.
I am not impressed with this draft and IMO #8 is a blah pick. 2011 has 2007 written all over it with no Patrick Kane sitting at #1.
I cheer for Edmonton and as a fan of Edmonton I would not be happy if they do this deal. I want Oiler Management to gamble on Hemsky; either sign him long term (and hope he stays healthy) or trade him at the 2012 TDL for the best return. Rental UFAs go for a pretty penny come deadline time.
I am not impressed with this draft and IMO #8 is a blah pick. 2011 has 2007 written all over it with no Patrick Kane sitting at #1.
If we trade him at the trade deadline would it be fair to say we'd get a package silmiar to what we got for Penner? Not bad if you ask me. If he has a healthy year I'm pretty sure we could get more.
I think we could've gotten a better prospect than Teubert, but it seems that the main reason we got him was because Edmonton is very high on his size and skill set and his ability to turn things around and turn into a good 2nd pairing d-man.
Pack that with the first rounder we got and I think that's a decent package. The only question is can Edmonton continue to do well at the draft table? If they are able to make the right choice at #19 that's going to be huge for us... but then again it could be another Anton Pouliot. Let's hope Tambolini is immune to those mistakes.
I think that the original trade is too complicated. Keep it simple....
Hemsky+#31 for #8. I would think that Howson would love to assemble a
Nash-Johansen-Hemsky line and the Oilers can add another big piece to the rebuild at #8.
That's a very sick first line. In 2-3 seasons it would likely be one of the top 5 lines in the NHL. Nash could score 100 points on that line.
I think that the original trade is too complicated. Keep it simple....
Hemsky+#31 for #8. I would think that Howson would love to assemble a
Nash-Johansen-Hemsky line and the Oilers can add another big piece to the rebuild at #8.
No. We need or a g-man or a d-man not a winger especially always injured.If we resign Upshall our offense will not be so bad. Besides Howson said he wants to support defense and net not offense. And it is our problem the defensman who support offense. There are two possibilities or an offensive defensman or defensive defensman who will be in the coule with Moore, Savard or Russelll, maybe Goloubef /we will see in the camp/. But not average.
