HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Detroit Red Wings
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2011-12 Roster/FA Discussion & Cap Tracker

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-29-2011, 08:18 AM
  #251
RedMenace
Zero ***** Given
 
RedMenace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Under the Bridge
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vatican Roulette View Post
What does everybody think about Ian White? Would probably come cheaper than the big UFA's, IMO would fit the system...
Quote:
Originally Posted by iRep TheWingedWheel View Post
I and others have mentioned White, he's right handed and can probably be had for <4m...
I'd go for White on the second pairing with Stuart for $3m-$4m.

RedMenace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 08:40 AM
  #252
ProPAIN
I am the Danger!
 
ProPAIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Paris
Country: Belgium
Posts: 11,855
vCash: 500
In other new, Kopecky gets a 4 year/$12 million contract. Holy ****!

If we want to dump contracts, Florida is the key here. Why would they not want Hudler?

ProPAIN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 09:08 AM
  #253
mindfly
KEN HOLLAND OUT
 
mindfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Bloomfield Hills, MI
Country: Sweden
Posts: 8,761
vCash: 500
No love for Scottie Upshall?

mindfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 09:21 AM
  #254
Ricelund
We like our team.
 
Ricelund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Detroit, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 5,025
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProPAIN View Post
In other new, Kopecky gets a 4 year/$12 million contract. Holy ****!

If we want to dump contracts, Florida is the key here. Why would they not want Hudler?
Hilarious.

I think anyone's going to have a tough time making the argument that Filppula is overpaid now that Laich got $4.5 million and Kopecky got $3 million.

Ricelund is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 09:33 AM
  #255
norrisnick
Registered User
 
norrisnick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rice View Post
Hilarious.

I think anyone's going to have a tough time making the argument that Filppula is overpaid now that Laich got $4.5 million and Kopecky got $3 million.
The problem becomes that Val will likely command $5M+/yr next year unless he completely regresses.

norrisnick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 09:43 AM
  #256
Ricelund
We like our team.
 
Ricelund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Detroit, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 5,025
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by norrisnick View Post
The problem becomes that Val will likely command $5M+/yr next year unless he completely regresses.
Nah, I think he'll get in the $4 million range unless he actually does break out. Filppula has only hit 40 points once; Laich has hit 50 points twice and came close with 48 last year.

Ricelund is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 01:53 PM
  #257
r0bert8841
Registered User
 
r0bert8841's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,434
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to r0bert8841
If this is the value FAs are getting, Detroit should really consider getting players through trade.

r0bert8841 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 01:57 PM
  #258
r0bert8841
Registered User
 
r0bert8841's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,434
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to r0bert8841
Why no love for Babchuk in this thread, the guy oozes potential.

r0bert8841 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 02:00 PM
  #259
Winger98
Moderator
powers combined
 
Winger98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 14,010
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to Winger98
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0bert8841 View Post
If this is the value FAs are getting, Detroit should really consider getting players through trade.
Or go with the kids and sign a couple of older vets on the cheap as depth.

__________________
blah, blah, blah
Winger98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 02:38 PM
  #260
RedMenace
Zero ***** Given
 
RedMenace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Under the Bridge
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0bert8841 View Post
Why no love for Babchuk in this thread, the guy oozes potential.
With Kindl coming up and Ericsson being an "x-factor" of sorts, I'd think you'd need someone who's a little bit more established than Babchuk, who's bounced between the NHL and AHL with the Hawks and Hurricanes, and played in Russia twice in two non-consecutive seasons.

Yeah, he was decent for the Flames after he was traded, but I wouldn't take a chance on him without a more veteran guy coming in as well to maybe replace Ericsson.

RedMenace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 02:43 PM
  #261
r0bert8841
Registered User
 
r0bert8841's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,434
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to r0bert8841
Quote:
Originally Posted by Attack Llama View Post
With Kindl coming up and Ericsson being an "x-factor" of sorts, I'd think you'd need someone who's a little bit more established than Babchuk, who's bounced between the NHL and AHL with the Hawks and Hurricanes, and played in Russia twice in two non-consecutive seasons.

Yeah, he was decent for the Flames after he was traded, but I wouldn't take a chance on him without a more veteran guy coming in as well to maybe replace Ericsson.
How many Righties out their in free agency are better?

r0bert8841 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:13 PM
  #262
DarkReign
Registered User
 
DarkReign's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,584
vCash: 500
Update on the available UFA defensemen of note.

Wiz - rights sent to CBJ
Hejda - no news
White - Resigned with SJ
Ehrhoff - rights traded to NYI

That whole "we have soooo much capspace" kick I was on after Rafalski retired is looking really, really stupid right now.

The Wings might end of having boatloads of capspace simply because there is no one to spend it on.

Best one can hope for is that Wiz doesnt sign with CBJ. Ehrhoff...I never cared for him. I hope and pray he signs with NYI, though I doubt it.

This UFA crop is getting worse and worse by the day. Since we know Holland is incapable of offer sheets because he's so damn ethical and we already know the Wings overvalue every single one of their players not named Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Lidstrom or Kronwall, there will be no trades...

I am in the wait and see phase right now, but honestly, if they dont at least pick up a stud PKer by the start of the season, this team will suck relative to their competition in the West. They'd be, at best, the 4th banana (SJ, Van, Chicago all being better) even with the addition of a PKer of note.

DarkReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:17 PM
  #263
DarkReign
Registered User
 
DarkReign's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,584
vCash: 500
****, forgot about LA. 5th banana.

DarkReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:30 PM
  #264
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 8,371
vCash: 500
Why is Chicago better than Detroit? Because they have captain Intangibles? They just lost Campbell and if they dont replace him they have regressed.

I see no reason to give the benefit of the doubt to the Kings.

SJ and Van are probably better. Losing Ehrhoff hurts though.

WingedWheel1987 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:38 PM
  #265
WingsOverAvs
Non Right Winger
 
WingsOverAvs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Orlando FL
Country: United States
Posts: 452
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 View Post
I see no reason to give the benefit of the doubt to the Kings.

SJ and Van are probably better. Losing Ehrhoff hurts though.
Adding Richards plus having 8 million to spend on two more forwards if they so choose scares the hell outta me

WingsOverAvs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:45 PM
  #266
r0bert8841
Registered User
 
r0bert8841's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,434
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to r0bert8841
I think CBJ might actually get Wiz signed. I think they would be willing to pay a bit more for him, because not only would they be adding a pretty good defensemen, they would be preventing Detroit from getting one.

r0bert8841 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 03:58 PM
  #267
Marky9er
Registered User
 
Marky9er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Brampton ON
Country: Dominica
Posts: 5,394
vCash: 500
I'd LOVE to see Babchuk! I don't think he's the best possible choice, but for entertainment value....awesome. He has flaws like Ehrhoff, but he's 10 times more likely to hit someone. If I'm drinking beer watching the game next season and he's taking one timers I'm gonna be happy.

Marky9er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:03 PM
  #268
RedMenace
Zero ***** Given
 
RedMenace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Under the Bridge
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkReign View Post
Update on the available UFA defensemen of note.

White - Resigned with SJ
Not so fast... according to the link to the article on the Free Agent board:

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdb209 View Post
The Sharks' beat writer shoots this down.

From the Sharks board:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianSmith
I emailed David Pollack asking him about it and he said he checked with a source and that they said the link was wrong, and that it was all but certain Ian White wasn't coming back.

I must say, the guy is super nice seeing as he responded to my question. My favorite Sharks reporter by far. Then again, he could always be wrong, but according to his sources Ian White is gone.

RedMenace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:07 PM
  #269
RedMenace
Zero ***** Given
 
RedMenace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Under the Bridge
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marky9er View Post
I'd LOVE to see Babchuk! I don't think he's the best possible choice, but for entertainment value....awesome. He has flaws like Ehrhoff, but he's 10 times more likely to hit someone. If I'm drinking beer watching the game next season and he's taking one timers I'm gonna be happy.
I'd take a pass at him if Ericsson doesn't get re-signed, that's for sure.

Then WE could start sporting "Anton" usernames and avatars...

RedMenace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:18 PM
  #270
magic school bus
***********
 
magic school bus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 14,981
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Attack Llama View Post
Not so fast... according to the link to the article on the Free Agent board:



yeah, we are also confused. White could be available. i thought he was gone for sure (based off quotes by GM DW), but then this nhlpa link shows up. who knows?

magic school bus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:34 PM
  #271
DarkReign
Registered User
 
DarkReign's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,584
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 View Post
Why is Chicago better than Detroit? Because they have captain Intangibles? They just lost Campbell and if they dont replace him they have regressed.
Because the only reason Chicago wasnt good last year was lack of depth.

Freeing up nearly $4 million in cap space via the Campbell/Olesz trade will now fix that. They promote Leddy to the Top 4 and have adequate depth there for the 5 and 6 spots.

They dont need a scoring forward, all they need is NHL depth. Theyre Top6 is set with Kane, Hossa, Toews and Sharp (lesser extent, Frolik). Theyre defense is set with Seabrook, Keith, Hammer and Leddy.

By comparison, Wings top6 and top4.

Datsyuk (Kane), Zetterberg (Toews), Franzen (Hossa) and....? No one that compares to Sharp or even Frolik.

Lidstrom (Keith), Kronwall (Seabrook), Stuart? (Hammer) and...? No one as good as Leddy (maybe Smith/Kindl...I wouldnt agree, but whatever).

Oh yeah, btw, theyre lightyears younger, too. Thats why Chicago is shaping up nicely and on the rise, IMO, over Detroit.

DarkReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:38 PM
  #272
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 8,371
vCash: 500
double post blehhh.

WingedWheel1987 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 04:39 PM
  #273
WingedWheel1987
Ken Holland's office
 
WingedWheel1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: GPP Michigan
Posts: 8,371
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkReign View Post
Because the only reason Chicago wasnt good last year was lack of depth.

Freeing up nearly $4 million in cap space via the Campbell/Olesz trade will now fix that. They promote Leddy to the Top 4 and have adequate depth there for the 5 and 6 spots.

They dont need a scoring forward, all they need is NHL depth. Theyre Top6 is set with Kane, Hossa, Toews and Sharp (lesser extent, Frolik). Theyre defense is set with Seabrook, Keith, Hammer and Leddy.

By comparison, Wings top6 and top4.

Datsyuk (Kane), Zetterberg (Toews), Franzen (Hossa) and....? No one that compares to Sharp or even Frolik.

Lidstrom (Keith), Kronwall (Seabrook), Stuart? (Hammer) and...? No one as good as Leddy (maybe Smith/Kindl...I wouldnt agree, but whatever).

Oh yeah, btw, theyre lightyears younger, too. Thats why Chicago is shaping up nicely and on the rise, IMO, over Detroit.
You are ridiculously overrating Kane.

Keith had a miserable year last year. He was a big reason why they sucked.

Leddy is the second coming of Jesus apparently.

Frolik? Really? Flip? Hell Id take Darren Helm over Frolik.

When was the last time Hossa was healthy? He is a very good two way player though.

You make it seem like Chicago is just gonna reload and Detroit is gonna go with the flow.

WingedWheel1987 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 05:06 PM
  #274
ProPAIN
I am the Danger!
 
ProPAIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Paris
Country: Belgium
Posts: 11,855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkReign View Post
Oh yeah, btw, theyre lightyears younger, too. Thats why Chicago is shaping up nicely and on the rise, IMO, over Detroit.
A few top 10 picks doesn't hurt either...

ProPAIN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-29-2011, 05:07 PM
  #275
DarkReign
Registered User
 
DarkReign's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,584
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 View Post
You are ridiculously overrating Kane.

Keith had a miserable year last year. He was a big reason why they sucked.

Leddy is the second coming of Jesus apparently.

Frolik? Really? Flip? Hell Id take Darren Helm over Frolik.

When was the last time Hossa was healthy? He is a very good two way player though.

You make it seem like Chicago is just gonna reload and Detroit is gonna go with the flow.
Ok, you and I obviously do not see the game the same way.

Keith will not suck next year. He's going to have a great to elite season (again)

Leddy is better than every Detroit defensemen not named Lidstrom or Kronwall. What does that say when he is Chicago's 4th best defensemen? Or even that, if Chicago signs Ehrhoff (they can), he becomes their 5th best defensemen?

Yes, really, Frolik. As a 3rd line center or on Kane/Toews wing, he's a pretty good damn player. Remember where he came from, the Panthers. He's never played with the talent he is going to in Chicago and he still put up Filppula-lite points.

Hossa is better than Franzen, period. Always has been, always will be. Hossa doesnt need anyone or any player to score. He is a one-man player who automatically makes a line produce (which is why Kopecky can thank Hossa for this $3million a year contract). I rode him and his legacy hard after 2009, but then whooops! Shoulder surgery in the offseason, a lowball from Holland and poof! 40 goals for Chicago the very next year and a Cup.

Yes, Chicago is going to reload and yes, the Wings are going to stand still. Until something is done to improve the defense, I fully believe Detroit is 2nd in the Central next year and the 5th seed if this is the lineup youre trotting out next year.

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.750m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Tomas Kaberle ($3.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($2.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Brenden Smith / Doug Janik

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / ?

That roster is garbage by Red Wings standards. Unless Smith is the next coming of (man, idk) Mike Green, that roster loses...again...in the second round.

Good enough to compete and win in the regular season, flawed and old enough to get beat by any team of note. If thats good enough to the Wings brass in Lidstrom's last year in the NHL, then this organization is squandering their best last chance at a Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg as your best forwards.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg have another, what? 3-4 years of elite level play? Lidstrom, a year?

Next year is it barring major, major trade scenarios after 2011-2012 (that involve acquiring Norris level defensemen).


Last edited by DarkReign: 06-29-2011 at 05:14 PM.
DarkReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:52 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.