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06-08-2011, 09:16 PM
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Holland's already made a comment that our top9 is set at forward, we have Mursak, we'll likely try to re-sign at least one of Eaves/Miller...so how about we take a shot at Steve Bernier to fill out our depth? It's being said that he'll be a UFA this summer, he's a former first rounder who's never lived up to expectations, he should be cheap, he's big, and he can find the back of the net on occasion.
Bernier is an RFA but he wouldnt be a bad pickup. Adds some scoring depth, size and a bit of grit to our group of forwards.

Eric Cole might be a better stop gap. Hes 32, had 50 something points last year and racked up a tonne of hits last year. He is also really fast. He is nothing too special but could be a good depth addition and provides 3 things the wings lack. Size, grit and the ability to put up 50 points

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06-08-2011, 09:21 PM
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Bernier is an RFA but he wouldnt be a bad pickup. Adds some scoring depth, size and a bit of grit to our group of forwards.

Eric Cole might be a better stop gap. Hes 32, had 50 something points last year and racked up a tonne of hits last year. He is also really fast. He is nothing too special but could be a good depth addition and provides 3 things the wings lack. Size, grit and the ability to put up 50 points
It sounds like Florida isn't going to qualify him and Bernier will be a UFA. I'd prefer Cole, too, but I'm going with the assumption that Holland sees our top9 pretty well set. I wonder how much of it will come down to what he has left after revamping the blueline.

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06-08-2011, 09:29 PM
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I dunno about Bernier, there's a long list of teams that have tried to fix him. All have failed.

Larsson's chance to be the backup was lost when he left the AHL. If he'd been around last year, he would have gotten the callup instead of Joey Mac. Last time he shared a net with Howard, he bragged to the Swedish press about how much better he was than Howard. I'm thinking the Wings will want a proven NHL backup and not a guy that has a history of getting into pissing contests with their young starter. Maybe I'm wrong though....

If the Wings had an older veteran starter they'd be more likely to roll with Larsson as the backup. They won't want a rookie backing up Howard.

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06-08-2011, 09:40 PM
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I dunno about Bernier, there's a long list of teams that have tried to fix him. All have failed.

Larsson's chance to be the backup was lost when he left the AHL. If he'd been around last year, he would have gotten the callup instead of Joey Mac. Last time he shared a net with Howard, he bragged to the Swedish press about how much better he was than Howard. I'm thinking the Wings will want a proven NHL backup and not a guy that has a history of getting into pissing contests with their young starter. Maybe I'm wrong though....

If the Wings had an older veteran starter they'd be more likely to roll with Larsson as the backup. They won't want a rookie backing up Howard.
I view Bernier as purely a depth signing - 11-14 forward type going in, see if he can work his way up. As I said, it depends on how Holland sees the forwards. If he thinks we're pretty much set, I'd rather take a swing with a guy like Bernier, than bring in a 35 yr old fourth liner.

And Osgood's backing Howard up next year. You know it.

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06-09-2011, 07:39 AM
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Holland did say something like "the top-9 spots are pretty much set," but wasn't it like 2 days later that Babcock said they'd like to sign a top-6 forward? I think there is some counter-intelligence/misinformation going on, which gives the Wings more leverage in free agency.

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Holland did say something like "the top-9 spots are pretty much set," but wasn't it like 2 days later that Babcock said they'd like to sign a top-6 forward? I think there is some counter-intelligence/misinformation going on, which gives the Wings more leverage in free agency.
That's just because Babcock's been working on his lineups and he's penciled Hudler as the 13th forward.

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Read a rumour at the hockey fights board the Oilers won't bring back Big Mac. I mean, 3 years 0.5 each is low risk hes the bonafide number 1 enforcer right now.

If we are looking at a guy that can play too, Konopka might be avaiable.

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06-19-2011, 07:16 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.250m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Brad Richards ($5.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Tomas Kaberle ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Brendan Smith ($0.850m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
J. Ericsson ($2.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($1.000m)

SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,617,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,382,956

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06-19-2011, 10:38 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.250m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Brad Richards ($5.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Tomas Kaberle ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Brendan Smith ($0.850m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
J. Ericsson ($2.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($1.000m)

SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,617,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,382,956

We're not getting Richards, especially at 5.5, let alone Richards and Jagr.
Its unlikely Hudler gets moved.
Nabokov is Isles property and can only be acquire through trade at his 575k cap hit or whatever it is.
If Ericsson is re-signed at all he won't be the 7th defensemen.

So while that may be your dream scenario only way it happens is in NHL 11.

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Bob McKenzie's said on twitter that the upper limit will be $64m.

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06-20-2011, 01:28 AM
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Bob McKenzie's said on twitter that the upper limit will be $64m.
Okay. So our cap will be 63.55 million, we have 450k bonuses last year from Modano and Salei.

Let the fantasy begin:

1. Sign own UFAs Lidström, Ericsson and Eaves.
2. Trade Nabokov (for draft pick) from Islanders to back-up Howard
3. Trade Filppula (or Hudler, if possible) to Capitals for Dennis Wideman
4. Sign UFA Brad Richards
5. Sign UFA Ed Jovanovski
6. Sign UFA Jaromir Jagr


And we have a team:

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FORWARDS
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Brad Richards ($6.000m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Ed Jovanovski ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($2.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $63,550,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,899,544; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $650,456

1st power-play:
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmström
Lidström - Wideman

2nd power-play:
Franzen - Hudler - Jagr
Kronwall - Richards

1st penalty kill:
Helm - Eaves
Jovanovski - Stuart

2nd penalty kill:
Abdelkader - Cleary
Kronwall - Ericsson

Bertuzzi doesn't have any special team role, so he could take some shifts away from Holmström.


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06-20-2011, 07:19 AM
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That team is too good to be true. It's technically possible, but too good to be true.

I don't think Wideman for Filppula is unrealistic, the Capitals need depth at center. But will Richards take that salary?

I'd trade Hudler for Nabokov instead of a pick. Actually, I wouldn't touch Nabby at all. Why should we give up even more for a player we signed but the Islanders were such ****s, they claimed him?

Instead of Nabby, I'd pay a little more for a backup with who has played in the NHL last year (Hedberg would be ideal, but Garon or even Theodore (ouch) should be fine).

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06-20-2011, 07:49 AM
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It's now pretty much official :

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369480

The salary cap will be 64m. So i guess this team has more wiggle room to sign a couple of FA D. Awesome.

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Our current payroll is now $48,092,044. Backup goaltender and two D's are the minimum we need to sign. But even after these signings(if we make them) we'll probably have ~$6-7M to spend on other guys, or adding extra to one of the D's.

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06-20-2011, 10:09 AM
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Our current payroll is now $48,092,044. Backup goaltender and two D's are the minimum we need to sign. But even after these signings(if we make them) we'll probably have ~$6-7M to spend on other guys, or adding extra to one of the D's.
And you can trade hudler and/or filppula to get even more cap relief

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06-20-2011, 10:17 AM
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We're not getting Richards, especially at 5.5, let alone Richards and Jagr.
Its unlikely Hudler gets moved.
Nabokov is Isles property and can only be acquire through trade at his 575k cap hit or whatever it is.
If Ericsson is re-signed at all he won't be the 7th defensemen.

So while that may be your dream scenario only way it happens is in NHL 11.
With the cap going up to 64 million. Richards can be offered 6.5 and Jagr 3, and that still leaves alot of wiggle room.
Hudler's cap hit is not that bad, he can be traded for picks to teams looking to hit the cap minimum.
Or Hudler+picks for Nabokov+picks.

EDIT: Here's a redone one including bonuses:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / J. Jagr ($3.000m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / B. Richards ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
N. Lidstrom ($6.000m) / T. Kaberle ($3.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / A. Markov ($3.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
B. Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / E. Nabokov ($0.570m)

SALARY CAP: $63,550,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,162,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $387,956


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06-20-2011, 10:28 AM
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I really think Florida is the answer here. They need to actually get to the cap floor before next season. Dump Hudler, Emmerton and maybe even Filppula (although I wouldn't personally), get high round picks and then we'll have plenty of space for our pipe dreams.

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Okay. So our cap will be 63.55 million, we have 450k bonuses last year from Modano and Salei.

Let the fantasy begin:

1. Sign own UFAs Lidström, Ericsson and Eaves.
2. Trade Nabokov (for draft pick) from Islanders to back-up Howard
3. Trade Filppula (or Hudler, if possible) to Capitals for Dennis Wideman
4. Sign UFA Brad Richards
5. Sign UFA Ed Jovanovski
6. Sign UFA Jaromir Jagr


And we have a team:

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FORWARDS
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Brad Richards ($6.000m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Ed Jovanovski ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($2.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
I like your roster, but I think there'd be no way Brad Richards is the third line center. Id rather have Bertuzzi or Cleary on the third line before Richards, and put Filppula on line 3 center or Helm, and then put Helm or Emmerton at line 4 center.

Also Filppula straight up for Wideman is a bad deal imo. I would do it straight up for Hudler possibly.

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06-20-2011, 12:24 PM
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I like your roster, but I think there'd be no way Brad Richards is the third line center. Id rather have Bertuzzi or Cleary on the third line before Richards, and put Filppula on line 3 center or Helm, and then put Helm or Emmerton at line 4 center.

Also Filppula straight up for Wideman is a bad deal imo. I would do it straight up for Hudler possibly.
Put Datsyuk in wing, and you'll be happy. Those line postitions are not set in stone for god's sake!

I didn't say that Filppula straight up for Wideman. It's the basic setup for a trade and you'll tune it up with picks or other minor players. I'd rather trade Hudler also.

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FORWARDS
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Scottie Upshall ($2.250m)
Radim Vrbata ($3.000m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.600m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Keith Yandle ($5.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Eric Brewer ($5.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Jose Theodore ($1.300m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,858,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $141,289

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Remember to cut off the 450k bonuses from Salei and Modano.

http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=566155

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The Wings will take a $450,000 cap hit on bonuses due to Ruslan Salei and Mike Modano, leaving between $60.55 million to $63.55 million in cap space. However, Holland said, one option is to hold cap dollars for the trade deadline and an emergency call-up.

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Countdown to July 1: Latest rumblings on Kaberle, Jagr, Stamkos, Bryzgalov, more

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Jaromir Jagr and his agent, Petr Svoboda, were scheduled to meet in their native Czech Republic on Monday to discuss the next plan of action.

Svoboda told ESPN.com before the meeting that Detroit and Pittsburgh remained in the mix, plus a few other NHL teams. The KHL, of course, also remains an option for Jagr.

Another source told ESPN.com on Monday that Detroit had coach Mike Babcock speak with Jagr over the weekend.

Jagr, 39, is an unrestricted free agent. He can make more money staying in the KHL, but told ESPN.com last Friday that a return to the NHL is very appealing to him.
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In the meantime, another player of note is forward Sean Bergenheim, who revealed himself to be a clutch performer this past postseason. He earned $700,000 this past season and is obviously looking for a big raise.

"We've talked with Sean's agent a couple of times," Yzerman said. "He was pretty honest with me with what they're thinking. At this time, we see things differently."

Other UFAs for the Bolts include Eric Brewer, Dwayne Roloson, Adam Hall, Simon Gagne and Marc-Andre Bergeron.
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The Carolina Hurricanes have some big decisions to make between now and July 1. They have several UFAs on their roster, including top defenseman Joni Pitkanen, as well as forwards Erik Cole, Jussi Jokinen, Chad LaRose and Cory Stillman.

I spoke with Canes GM Jim Rutherford on Monday, specifically regarding Pitkanen and Jokinen. The GM said: "We've agreed that they should look into going into July 1, but we haven't closed the door on either guy. We'll see how it plays out."

Cole is a priority for the Canes.

"He's a guy that we want to bring back," Rutherford said. "He's a part of our team. He's a guy that's made his home here. But there really hasn't been any movement on his contract talks."

Rutherford said he also wants to bring LaRose back, but like Cole, there has been no movement in talks. The GM said Stillman was still considering his options, which possibly includes retirement.
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• The agent for pending UFA blueliner Christian Ehrhoff, Rick Curran, told ESPN.com Monday he has had a conversation with the Vancouver Canucks since the Cup finals ended and the two sides plan on meeting in Minnesota this week to continue that conversation. Maybe it's just me, but with the Detroit Red Wings openly flaunting their intention to be aggressive July 1 on the blue-line front, I'd be keeping all my options open if I were Ehrhoff, even though he does love playing in Vancouver.

Speaking of Curran, the veteran agent also represents Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Sharp, who has one year remaining on his deal before becoming UFA next summer. The Hawks and Curran are slated to talk in Minnesota. "In casual conversations with different clubs, he's the one player that is most often talked about as far as his likely future," Curran told ESPN.com.
Sharp, Bergenheim and Jagr instead of Hudler and Miller would be pretty good. Cole doesn't seem to be an option, maybe Jussi Jokinen?

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Cole doesn't seem to be an option, maybe Jussi Jokinen?
Jussi Jokinen is one of my top choices for wingers this offseason. Rutherford has made it pretty clear that Jussi and Pitkanen are going to test the waters on July 1st. Two guys that Detroit should at least have on their radars.

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I don't expect it to happen, but here's one possibility:

(I expect Jagr to have some bonuses that bring him to $4 mil or so, and I put the 450k owed for last year's bonuses onto Wisniewski just to put them somewhere)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jaromir Jagr ($4.000m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Drew Miller ($0.700m) / / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Eric Brewer ($4.500m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Random D-Bag ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Alex Auld ($0.800m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,442,044; BONUSES: $450,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $557,956

I still don't like the lack of speed at forward, but I will say that's a hell of a defense corps with Smith in reserve at GR in case they need a long-term call-up. They would need Abdelkader to take a big step forward, they'd need to stay healthy, they'd need a solid 25 goal season from Jagr, and frankly they'd need to keep Homer in the press box whenever possible.

Even with all that, they'd probably be looking to pick up someone speedy and spunky at the deadline. Under this scenario they'd have a bit of room to do that. 2012 UFAs for potential rental include Umberger, Gaustad, Prust, and Dominic Moore.

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FORWARDS
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
UFA ($4.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.750m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.250m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($2.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Jose Theodore ($1.100m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,067,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,932,956

This scenario wouldn't require anyone to be traded. I'd let Ericsson walk and sign Hejda in his place. The $3,932,956 cap space would allow for the necessary pay raises for Patrick Eaves, James Wisniewski (or some other top-4 UFA D-man), and Jan Hejda. I'm not attached to Wisniewski so long as we sign some puck-moving D-man at that spot. For the UFA position, I'm most interested in Brooks Laich, Erik Cole, Jussi Jokinen, or Jaromir Jagr.

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