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05-14-2011, 01:51 PM
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25 and under...

Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, Horton, McQuaid, Rask.

Prospects...

Seguin, Caron, Knight, Spooner, Kampfer, Arniel, 2011 9th overall pick....others.


I doubt you can find another team that has 5 top 6 forwards that age, a wunder goalie, plus those top 4 forward prospects, plus a top 10 pick coming up in the 2011 NHL draft...

I'd be hard pressed to deal that group straight up for any other in the NHL...

We need an influx of D talent, but Chia and Benning seem to know how to pluck the college kids from other teams, and guys like Boychuk and McQuaid..

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05-14-2011, 01:55 PM
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To be honest, the Bruins don't really need prospects at this point. They just need their players to stay healthy. The entire core of the team has about 10 years left before they washed up.

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You really have to question the rankings. The flames picked up a kid named Max Reinhart in the third round of the most recent draft. This guy isn't even mentioned anywhere and he's going to be a stud player. He just won the WHL championship with Kootenay and he may have been the MVP of the playoffs.
Yannick Riendeau scored goals by the truckload in Major Junior. Not saying this kid is not going to be a player....but sometimes the game doesnt always translate.

With that said, I have always been skeptical of the hf rankings and their system.

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05-14-2011, 02:00 PM
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I can't believe that anyone here would begrudge this ranking right now. Seems pretty accurate to me.

The key here, is that the Bruins will be selecting (at least) one more top-end prospect with the 9th overall this summer AND that we have a team core of fairly recent graduates.

Rask and Seguin are both HIGH end young players, who very well could have still been prospects had other decisions been made.

Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci, Horton, Marchand, McQuaid... ALL 25 or younger. Our future short/medium/long-term looks pretty damn bright to me, even if there's only a player or two from this current pool who makes a real impact.

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05-14-2011, 02:01 PM
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25 and under...

Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, Horton, McQuaid, Rask.

Prospects...

Seguin, Caron, Knight, Spooner, Kampfer, Arniel, 2011 9th overall pick....others.


I doubt you can find another team that has 5 top 6 forwards that age, a wunder goalie, plus those top 4 forward prospects, plus a top 10 pick coming up in the 2011 NHL draft...

I'd be hard pressed to deal that group straight up for any other in the NHL...

We need an influx of D talent, but Chia and Benning seem to know how to pluck the college kids from other teams, and guys like Boychuk and McQuaid..

Lou, there is no question that our young core is in GREAT shape. Having Seguin with the potential to become a franchise center makes me feel really good about our future. But that isnt really the topic of this thread. Its about the guys who are considered prospects. I would agree with you that not many teams can match our under 25 core (and some prospects do help bolster that).

What has to be understood is that we always need to have prospects ready to step in when their is a salary cap involved.

No one in the world can sell to me that our D prospects are even NEARLY acceptable when we are signing Shane Hnidy as a safeguard at the end of the year.

This is why I am so adament about getting Murphy this draft, but alas I think that ship is sailed unless we trade up.

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05-14-2011, 02:02 PM
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I think the ranking is fair. That's what happens when the #2 overall pick in the draft plays right away in the NHL.

The forwards are the best of the three groups....I think Knight, Caron, and Spooner all have Top 6 potential.

There is no one in the group of defensemen that has good odds of becoming a top 4 defenseman on a good team. It could happen for one of them if everything goes right and Warsofsky becomes a poor man's Rafalski.

The goaltending....no one projects to be an NHL starter...which is fine for now because we have Rask anyways.
Exactly. This team has a load of offense and the majority of the talent in their top-9 is 25 or younger and signed. The offensive depth in the system isn't great but it certainly has the potential to provide us with players for lines 2 and 3.

The defense is a cause for concern. The two most important players on our defense are locked up and have looked great. After that the team has graduated Boychuk and McQuaid both of whom are capable of holding down bottom pairing minutes and producing. It's no secret this team needs to address this. Alexandrov who was one of our top-5 prospects hasn't impressed but let's hope another full year on NA sized rinks and we start to see the player the B's were hoping he could be.

Our Goaltending depth isn't great in our farm but then again we have the #1 starting goalie in the league and a top-5 young netminder backing him up. This doesn't appear to be a need we have to address for quite some time.

All and all the ranking is fair and the farm could stand to improve but this team is in better shape than the vast majority of the league and that's what is truly important.

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05-14-2011, 02:07 PM
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Lou, there is no question that our young core is in GREAT shape. Having Seguin with the potential to become a franchise center makes me feel really good about our future. But that isnt really the topic of this thread. Its about the guys who are considered prospects. I would agree with you that not many teams can match our under 25 core (and some prospects do help bolster that).

What has to be understood is that we always need to have prospects ready to step in when their is a salary cap involved.

No one in the world can sell to me that our D prospects are even NEARLY acceptable when we are signing Shane Hnidy as a safeguard at the end of the year.

This is why I am so adament about getting Murphy this draft, but alas I think that ship is sailed unless we trade up.
not only do they need a murphy-type player, but they also need a well-rounded top 2 defenseman prospect. the prospects on the blueline are marginal at best, at least, IMO. kampfer looks like a good lower tier puck mover. button i really like, but the upside is limited. alexandrov is another guy who may turn out, but not a difference maker. warsofsky has a lot of upside, but he's tiny and may turn into a PP specialist at best. at some point, chiarelli will need to load up some assets and take a run at a potential stud back there.

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For those of you who don't like my rather abrupt analysis of our prospects, you can like it or lump it. Caron is way too slow to be anything. He struggled to score until garbage time in the AHL for crying out loud. He is too slow to be a checker and too slow to be a scorer Of the two, he probably has a better chance at being a scorer. Knight struggles to use other players....says so right in the HF scouting report and it shows on Youtube. As for the orginization and Button. I just found it odd they signed him to ATO and not an ELC. The Rangers did the same with McIlrath, so maybe there was a financial reason for it, but that usually tells me he may be on the back burner. The prospect pool is poor and thats the main reason i want chia out of here yesterday.
How can you want Chiarelli out of Boston?

First appearance in the Conference Finals in 20 years....the prospect pool is of secondary importance compared to the product on the ice. Chances are if a team has an awesome prospect pool it's because they have sucked for the past five years...and even that is no guarantee.

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For those of you who don't like my rather abrupt analysis of our prospects, you can like it or lump it. Caron is way too slow to be anything. He struggled to score until garbage time in the AHL for crying out loud. He is too slow to be a checker and too slow to be a scorer Of the two, he probably has a better chance at being a scorer. Knight struggles to use other players....says so right in the HF scouting report and it shows on Youtube. As for the orginization and Button. I just found it odd they signed him to ATO and not an ELC. The Rangers did the same with McIlrath, so maybe there was a financial reason for it, but that usually tells me he may be on the back burner. The prospect pool is poor and thats the main reason i want chia out of here yesterday.
uhhh, the bruins did sign button to an entry-level deal. and mcilrath signed with the rangers. maybe you're getting confused by the ATOs they signed prior to those contracts, which allows them to play in the AHL after their junior seasons ended.

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To be honest, the Bruins don't really need prospects at this point. They just need their players to stay healthy. The entire core of the team has about 10 years left before they washed up.
BB, come on that is just a rediculous statement to make. Looking beyond 5 years in
pro sports is a useless excercise.

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So what's the deal here?

Are people going to say the Horton deal was bad because we could have a better prospect pool without him?

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For those of you who don't like my rather abrupt analysis of our prospects, you can like it or lump it. Caron is way too slow to be anything. He struggled to score until garbage time in the AHL for crying out loud. He is too slow to be a checker and too slow to be a scorer Of the two, he probably has a better chance at being a scorer. Knight struggles to use other players....says so right in the HF scouting report and it shows on Youtube. As for the orginization and Button. I just found it odd they signed him to ATO and not an ELC. The Rangers did the same with McIlrath, so maybe there was a financial reason for it, but that usually tells me he may be on the back burner. The prospect pool is poor and thats the main reason i want chia out of here yesterday.
That criticism of Knight is exactly what people still say about Rich Peverley, though.

Caron needs to work on his skating but he's faster than Lucic was when he was a rookie. I'd be more concerned about him being anything other than a mediocre third-liner than anything else, but he's good enough to at least be in the league.

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Spooner will be an all-star in the future.

He is a mix between Savard and St. Louis

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On the prospect front the guy I'm up on watching develop is Ryan Button. From dev camp last summer and what I've heard about him, I have a feeling that he has the skill set and skating to really be the nice surprise for this organization. Did anyone here have the chance to watch him regularly through this season? I know from his time in Providence was good but that he still needs to fill out and come up to speed but I'm just curious as to what someone who has watched him develop from last year into this year thinks.

Between Button, Kampfer and our #9 pick this year, I think we're going to see some strength on the backend but not likely right away. If we do make any big adds this offseason, I think it'll be to bridge to some of these kids.

Up front, I mean what can you say? I'm of the mind that this team doesn't go out and try to pick up a big name forward this off season and instead goes with continuing to promote from within. We saw at the start of the year Ryan Spooner almost make this club, Jordan Caron playing well to start things off and just the start of Jared Knight. Add that to our already young core and the future is really bright.

Out of the guys coming up, I have a feeling that we'll see Caron and Knight both on this team next year. Both have the ability to play at both ends of the ice and I think both can fit in with the current lines and be positive additions. Knight on the Bergeron line, Caron playing on the 3rd or 4th I think.

1 thing I would love to see next year though is Caron on the 2nd unit PP. He's a kid who has good hands, size and knows how to play in front of the net. We've been looking for someone to do that and in the past have tried to take guys who are more used to playing the perimeter and getting them to go there. With Caron, we don't have to do that- instead we can let other guys play their own games and use him to support on top of the crease and down low on the boards.

Good stuff overall- the present is great and the future looks bright.

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Spooner will be an all-star in the future.

He is a mix between Savard and St. Louis
See...this is the type of realistic expectations I am talking about.

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So what's the deal here?

Are people going to say the Horton deal was bad because we could have a better prospect pool without him?
Yeah, its a huge problem................................if you care about the Calder Cup.

Much ado about nothing.

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I disagree....a bad prospect pool IS a huge problem. This is not a great team or a building team, this is a middle of the road team with some age in key spots who had a good run. I submit to you the Carolina Hurricanes.....or the 2005 Tampa Bay Lightning.
How many "great" teams are there in the NHL cursed?

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I disagree....a bad prospect pool IS a huge problem. This is not a great team or a building team, this is a middle of the road team with some age in key spots who had a good run. I submit to you the Carolina Hurricanes.....or the 2005 Tampa Bay Lightning.
You should probably ignore all of the young talent currently on the roster when making your analysis.

Sorry... My mistake. You're way ahead of me.

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Pittsburgh when healthy or even marginally healthy is outstanding. Philly is probably going to get a goalie finally. Washington may blow things up but they are more talented than the B's at present. Tampa. I like Montreal for the future, including next year. Add Markov to the team they have and you have something good. That is just in our conference. Det San Jose and Van are all better in the west. By my count that makes the B's the eighth or ninth best team in hockey. The point is not name the great team but how good are the Bruins compared to the rest.
I wish we were half the team the Montreal Canadiens are. What a powerhouse!

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I disagree....a bad prospect pool IS a huge problem. This is not a great team or a building team, this is a middle of the road team with some age in key spots who had a good run. I submit to you the Carolina Hurricanes.....or the 2005 Tampa Bay Lightning.
Where's the age in key spots? We have Thomas' replacement so his age really doesn't matter. Recchi's spot with the payroll we have this offseason isn't an issue. We have our top two defensemen locked up for several years and both are within their primes. The urgency just isn't there to be replenishing the farm.

Knight, Caron, Spooner, Sauve, and Arniel are decent pieces for a forward group in providence. Kampfer and Bartkowski are mediocre d-prospects with decent upside and our goalie situation is really overstated because you can only have two NHL goalies and we happen to have probably 2 of the top 10 on our team already (hence why Boston/Chia picked up long term Goalie prospect Gothberg because they could wait the 5 years to let him develop). The pick this year will add another good piece and we'll have a better idea where we sit when Warsofsky, Alexandrov (will be 2nd season but still adapting to NA sized rinks), Camper and Button have a full season of AHL under their belts. Cross will be finishing up his senior season at BC and most likely joining the AHL squad when he's done. There's decent depth in the system, nothing overwhelmingly dominant but players that can fill needs.

When your team is in the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and over goes a pretty good overhaul in the middle of those runs (Out: Alberts, Allen, Axelsson, Bochenski, Boyes, Chistov, Donovan, Jurcina, Kalus, Kobasew, Kessel, Lashoff, Mara, Mowers, Murray, Primeau, Stuart, Sturm, Tenkrat, Ward, Wideman In: Marchand, Seguin, McQuaid, Boychuk, Seidenberg, Rask, Horton) it's no wonder our prospect pool has taken a bit of a hit.

We'll just have to wait and see how some of the kids develop and where they rank next year with a new coach behind the bench.

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Pittsburgh when healthy or even marginally healthy is outstanding. Philly is probably going to get a goalie finally. Washington may blow things up but they are more talented than the B's at present. Tampa. I like Montreal for the future, including next year. Add Markov to the team they have and you have something good. That is just in our conference. Det San Jose and Van are all better in the west. By my count that makes the B's the eighth or ninth best team in hockey. The point is not name the great team but how good are the Bruins compared to the rest.
Pitt now has question marks with Crosby's health. Philly has problems with Prongers health. Washington is in worse shape than Boston. Montreal I won't quibble with.

Detroit is on the down side, SJ is very good, far from unbeatable. Vancouver has
a choker in net.

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