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05-14-2011, 03:35 PM
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Buffalo - Colorado



(D) Tyler Myers
(RW) Zach Kassian
(G) Jonas Enroth
2nd Round Pick 2012



(C) Paul Stastny


EDIT: Please be advised the premise this deal is proposed under is based on having read elsewhere on these boards that apparently Buffalo tried hard to land Stastny at the trade deadline. Assuming this is true, and Buffalo is trying to land Stastny (i.e.: Colorado is indifferent to the deal occurring or not), I believe this is something resembling what the price would be.

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Buffalo doesn't touch this IMO.

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(D) Tyler Myers
(RW) Zach Kassian
(G) Jonas Enroth
2nd Round Pick 2012



(C) Paul Stastny
As an Avs fan I love it but I doubt the Sabres would do it.

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Buffalo doesn't touch this IMO.
Possibly not. Honestly, I rather Colorado keep Stastny, but someone in another thread was indicating Buffalo was trying hard to land him at the trade deadline.

Colorado has center depth right now - and really no reason to trade him. I assume (as a premise of this deal), that Buffalo is trying to land him, Colorado therefore asks for pieces that help address organizational deficiencies (namely, defense, wing, goal).

There's also a certain truth to the fact that none of the components of the deal coming to Colorado are proven value, which somewhat mitigates their worth (albeit, not completely).

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I'd love to here from some Sabres fans on this...so we can have a better proposal to shove in Leafs fans faces when they make their next Stastny proposal.

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Possibly not. Honestly, I rather Colorado keep Stastny, but someone in another thread was indicating Buffalo was trying hard to land him at the trade deadline.

Colorado has center depth right now - and really no reason to trade him. I assume (as a premise of this deal), that Buffalo is trying to land him, Colorado therefore asks for pieces that help address organizational deficiencies (namely, defense, wing, goal).

There's also a certain truth to the fact that none of the components of the deal coming to Colorado are proven value, which somewhat mitigates their worth (albeit, not completely).
Definitely not. As good as Stastny is, he's not one of the few players I'd trade Myers for. And add a bunch of other valuable assets on top of that.

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Sabres don't go anywhere near this deal (Sabres fan here).

Myers is a franchise-type defenseman. Yes, the Sabres need a #1 C. Not bad enough to trade Myers though.





I thought there was a deal floating around here centering around Stafford and Enroth plus some/most that Avs fans found fair...........

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Sabres give up way too much

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Buffalo doesn't even consider it.

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Sabres don't go anywhere near this deal (Sabres fan here).

Myers is a franchise-type defenseman. Yes, the Sabres need a #1 C. Not bad enough to trade Myers though.

I thought there was a deal floating around here centering around Stafford and Enroth plus some/most that Avs fans found fair...........
I agree with you that Myers is a potential franchise defenseman. I also agree that the Sabres need a #1C.

#1 Centers rarely get dealt. It's why even teams who have more than one (Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia) tend to hold on to them.

Ultimately, I can't see Colorado parting with Stastny unless there is some home-run potential in the player they get back - and while Enroth is a nice piece, he's ultimately one of many young goalies who might be good or might not be; and Stafford is a useful piece, but not the kind you would make the centerpiece of this kind of deal.

As I said, I was replying to a specific factual circumstance, namely, the Sabres apparently decide they (a) want to address their deficiency at Center and (b) target Stastny as their man. Under those conditions, I think this kind of deal would be the price.

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No way in hell the Avs could get this for Paul

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The Sabres would consider it if you changed "Paul Stastny" to "Matt Duchene".

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I agree with you that Myers is a potential franchise defenseman. I also agree that the Sabres need a #1C.

#1 Centers rarely get dealt. It's why even teams who have more than one (Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia) tend to hold on to them.

Ultimately, I can't see Colorado parting with Stastny unless there is some home-run potential in the player they get back - and while Enroth is a nice piece, he's ultimately one of many young goalies who might be good or might not be; and Stafford is a useful piece, but not the kind you would make the centerpiece of this kind of deal.

As I said, I was replying to a specific factual circumstance, namely, the Sabres apparently decide they (a) want to address their deficiency at Center and (b) target Stastny as their man. Under those conditions, I think this kind of deal would be the price.
How many #1 d-men are getting dealt? How many 21-year old #1 d-men are getting dealt? How many 21-year old #1 d-men that don't need a change of scenery and are the only legit top-pairing d-man on their team are getting dealt?

And if that is the price to pay for a player like Stastny, then I'd rather sign two Connollys and play them on #1 and #2.


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As much as I like Myers from an Avs perspective, I'd have a hard time watching Stastny leave still, despite the overpayment.

I'm also hopeful this thread doesn't derail into another fanbase trying to devalue Stastny.

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As much as I like Myers from an Avs perspective, I'd have a hard time watching Stastny leave still, despite the overpayment.

I'm also hopeful this thread doesn't derail into another fanbase trying to devalue Stastny.
Bozak and a 3rd for Statsny





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I'm not a huge fan of Enroth as COL's next goalie.

Pull him out and put a pick in there.

Better?

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As badly as the Sabres need a 1C, I wouldn't even trade Myers for Stastny straight up.

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As badly as the Sabres need a 1C, I wouldn't even trade Myers for Stastny straight up.
Not to start a war here, but I personally don't consider Myers enough for Stastny in a trade, nor do I see why Buffalo would do Myers for Stastny.

Just a bad idea of involving those two as basis of trade pieces.

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As an Avs fan I'd do Myers for Stastny straight up.

Big time overpayment.

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Not to start a war here, but I personally don't consider Myers enough for Stastny in a trade, nor do I see why Buffalo would do Myers for Stastny.

Just a bad idea of involving those two as basis of trade pieces.
No poing debating that, you're right. Myers to the Sabres is more valuable than he would be on the Avs with Johnson already a rightie and the possibility of picking Larsson, another rightie.

And they have Roy who by no means is perfect, but they aren't that desperate for a #1 center, some center depth so Rob freaking Niedermayer doesn't have to be their best center in the playoffs would be nice.

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As an Avs fan I'd do Myers for Stastny straight up.

Big time overpayment.
I agree, the proposal is awful for Buffalo.

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I think the value for Stastny goes something like this:

Roster forward
Defensive prospect or young defenseman (*not named Myers*)
Enroth
Pick

So something like:

Stafford
Pysyk (prospect) or Butler (young player)
Enroth
1st or 2nd

Now I'm not saying either side would be inclined to make that deal or have any incentive to do so, but I think that's where the value would be at. Please don't argue about whether or not if fits anyone's needs. That's not my point.

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How bout:

Avalanche:
-Jonas Enroth
-Drew Stafford
-1st Rd pick(16th)
-Gragani

Buffalo:
-Paul Stastny

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Much like with EJ, I question Myer's hockey sense, but to an even higher degree. I'd rather not have to deal with two of those types of players. Again like EJ I think he'll improve in that area, but I'd rather help EJ's growth by going after some polished veterans to provide stability. We only need the one high potential defenseman. It's not a wise move to keep two defenseman that could end up asking for exorbitant amounts of cash anyway.

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