At this point, even club chairman Ed Snider said in recent interview that the Flyers need to trade some players to gain cap dollars.
Among Briere ($6.5 millon), Mike Richards ($5.75), Jeff Carter ($5.27) and Hartnell ($4.2), at least one of them has to be traded to gain additional cap space. There is no other solution.
Among that group, assuming the Flyers trade a marquee player with a $5 million salary, Carter is the most likely candidate. Toronto, among others, would love him.
Carter’s value coming off a 36-goal season is high. Most clubs would welcome him with open arms, especially since he is locked into an 11-year deal with an affordable cap hit.
Briere is one of, if not the best playoff performers these last two years. Richards is their captain.
That leaves the two most appealing to the Oilers. Carter and Hartnell.
I suppose this happens every year with Carter. And the chances they'd trade him after re-signing him long-term? Doubtful. Hartnell on the other hand... But we're stocked on the wings.
They'd need cheap players back in return or good prospects that can contribute very soon.
Carter would take far too much to acquire, and quite frankly, I think it contradicts the notion to build the core from the draft.
Hartnell on the other hand could be a great 2/3 line guy to bring some of the skills and sandpaper the team lacks, and take pressure off the younger wings on the team.
Carter would be great on this team, I'd offer something around Gagner + LAK 1st for him.
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Paajarvi-Carter-Hemsky
Pitlick, Hamilton, Omark, Hartikainen, Jones filling out the rest.
How could you say no? Only question is if Philly would consider, I'm not so sure, they'd probably want more. It would still leave them with a ton of centers (Richards, Briere, Giroux, Gagner) and give them a top 20 pick and a ton of cap space.
Would love to see the Oilers aquire Carter, but it's a pipe dream. That is the type of player teams loathe to give up, big goal scoring first line centers, it's just not happening.
Hartnell, Briere, Zeredev(UFA isn't he?), Versteeg, or some of the defensmen they have would all be moved before they'd give up Carter or Richards. There was some talk that Richards didn't get along with Pronger, but I doubt they'll do anything more than tell them to suck it up, Richards is just too highly regarded out there.
The biggest problem would be getting any of them to waive their NTC (Carter, Hartnell) / NMC (Briere). I wouldn't want any part of Briere's contract anyways.
Richards isn't going anywhere - he has a NMC, he's their captain and their best forward.
Sadly, I think there are too many teams that have cap space, are more likely to entice the players to waive their clauses and have more assets to give up to get them.
The biggest problem would be getting any of them to waive their NTC (Carter, Hartnell) / NMC (Briere). I wouldn't want any part of Briere's contract anyways.
Richards isn't going anywhere - he has a NMC, he's their captain and their best forward.
Sadly, I think there are too many teams that have cap space, are more likely to entice the players to waive their clauses and have more assets to give up to get them.
Carter doesn't have a NTC or NMC but he does possess a 11 yr contract albiet at a good cap hit. Still the length of his deal scares me.....
I'd love to acquire Hartnell. If the Flyers need cap relief I would gladly take Coburn and Hartnell off their hands.
Carter does not have a NTC . He is a ufa in 2022 so you get him for 11 more years at a 5.3 mill cap hit. Very affordable for a #1 centre.
IMO, he is a better bet than anyone we could pick with the first overall. He fills a huge organizational need for the next decade. If they are serious about dumping a salary, the 1st overall is as good a return as you could possibly get.
Carter doesn't have a NTC or NMC but he does possess a 11 yr contract albiet at a good cap hit. Still the length of his deal scares me.....
I'd love to acquire Hartnell. If the Flyers need cap relief I would gladly take Coburn and Hartnell off their hands.
What I would give to get that package. At the same time I would kill for Carter too, but I actually think dealing for Hartnell/Coburn would be better for us in the playoffs.
the other option for carter is deal from strength to address a weakness. The oilers have 3 or 4 elite prospects on the wing but don't have a true #1 centre. MPS for Carter is something the Flyers might do and t sure speeds up the rebuild.
Would love to have Carter obviously. The only concern - can he perform on a bad team, as the number one guy (center)?
He'd have to for a year. But after that, he'd have a decent supporting cast.
xxx - Carter - Hemsky
Hall - RNH - Eberle
Paajarvi - Horcoff - Omark
I dunno, something along those lines?
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The biggest problem would be getting any of them to waive their NTC (Carter, Hartnell) / NMC (Briere). I wouldn't want any part of Briere's contract anyways.
Sadly, I think there are too many teams that have cap space, are more likely to entice the players to waive their clauses and have more assets to give up to get them.
Carter doesn't have a NTC till his new contract kicks in... come July 1st I think.
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I'd give Smid + Gagner + 31.
or Smid or Gagner + 19 for Carter.
Yeah I'd readily give that. Gagner or Giroux or Briere could double as RW.
the other option for carter is deal from strength to address a weakness. The oilers have 3 or 4 elite prospects on the wing but don't have a true #1 centre. MPS for Carter is something the Flyers might do and t sure speeds up the rebuild.
Maybe but I think they are looking for cap space to sign a goalie this offseason so MPS would still take up over $1.5 of cap space for the Flyers.
I explore the possibility if I'm the Oilers but I wouldn't break the bank. We are building something here and I think we are getting close to building a team that can compete for the cup in 2-4 years. Don't deviate from the plan unless it is a no brainer trade
I would love Carter. Anyone who says it would take too much to acquire him isn't factoring in that eventually it will be time to acquire a big free agent and that we should be opportunistic in this regard. Instead of settling for who is available then but rather to acquire while the best is available.
I think that with two 1st overalls, the decent drafting we have done recently and the still glaring hole that we have on the back end, now is a good time to acquire a top end free agent/trade.
Giving up a gagner smid and 19th, would not be too much as centre already is a position we extra players at, although they are not our strength.
I would pay out of my ass for carter and if he is available, I hope the oil go after him with full force. Anything is on the table except hall eberle and our first this year. MPS would even be on the table at a high price in my books.
One thing I would love about Carter is that acquiring him would sure stick it to the Leafs fans.
My big question for everyone... would you give up next year's first pick in a deal for Carter? The deal would mean that we would have to make a few more deals, but I'm all for building the winning atmosphere. Bringing in Carter and RNH solidifies us at C, and losing that pick gets rid of finishing low being acceptable. There will be no reward for failure, and I don't think these kids want to fail again...
I think my dream would be... something like
2012 1st, Pitlick, Omark for Carter
Gagner + 2011 3rd for Bogosian
(and possibly a free agent/minor deal to beef up that 4th line) also not sure what I did with Cogs. lol
Paajarvi Carter Hemsky
Hall Hopkins Eberle (eased in over time as our top line)
Hartikainen Horcoff Jones
Brule Lander Vande-Velde
carter would be intersting but id be wary of giving up too much for him... that being said i think he could possibly dominate in the western conference...
[QUOTE=notloilersfan;33053267]One thing I would love about Carter is that acquiring him would sure stick it to the Leafs fans.
My big question for everyone... would you give up next year's first pick in a deal for Carter? The deal would mean that we would have to make a few more deals, but I'm all for building the winning atmosphere. Bringing in Carter and RNH solidifies us at C, and losing that pick gets rid of finishing low being acceptable. There will be no reward for failure, and I don't think these kids want to fail again...
I think my dream would be... something like
2012 1st, Pitlick, Omark for Carter
Gagner + 2011 3rd for Bogosian
(and possibly a free agent/minor deal to beef up that 4th line) also not sure what I did with Cogs. lol
Hall Hopkins Eberle (eased in over time as our top line)
i dont think gagner + 3rd for bogosian would work. im sure thats not enough to snag him.
if we drat RNH we should give him more time to develope in the whl / ahl, i dont think hes quite nhl ready. we cant rush him, he needs time to strengthen up/beef up.. he's only 163lbs
Some people might not like this, but I think Omark would be a great fit there. He's on a cheap $875k till RFA the next offseason. He gives them "insurance" in the Leino deal.
Gagner + Omark + Smid.
Next year we roll these guys in the Top 6.
Paajarvi - Carter - Hemsky
Hall - Horcoff - Eberle
Some people might not like this, but I think Omark would be a great fit there. He's on a cheap $875k till RFA the next offseason. He gives them "insurance" in the Leino deal.
Gagner + Omark + Smid.
Next year we roll these guys in the Top 6.
Paajarvi - Carter - Hemsky
Hall - Horcoff - Eberle
Bottom 6 still needs to get fixed up.
I love Omark, But I'd make this deal in a heartbeat.
