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05-23-2011, 09:44 PM
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What a game.

Binnington's draft stock is rising like mad.

I don't know why people would watch the TB/BOS game when this game was on.

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What. A. Game. Wow!

I found myself watcing it more than the TB/BOS game. Huberdeau from what I saw looked really good, very nice goal to end it

EDIT: ^lol beat me to it.

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Yeah, this was a great game.

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I don't understand...

WHL and OHL >>> Alberta Peewee team >>> QMJHL

How is it possible for Saint John to be 2-0 against teams from the OHL? Yet the guys from the mighty Dub are 0-2? Doesn't make any sense at all...
I dont know about anyone else, but i think the top teams in the QMJHL are just as good as any league. I think the overall talent level is the least of the three leagues though. And i think the bottom feeders in the QMJHL are far and away the worst teams in Canada.

But the top teams are still very good. Saint Johns wasnt ranked first in the nation for no reason.

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Woo!

Czerwonka scores.

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I dont know about anyone else, but i think the top teams in the QMJHL are just as good as any league. I think the overall talent level is the least of the three leagues though. And i think the bottom feeders in the QMJHL are far and away the worst teams in Canada.

But the top teams are still very good. Saint Johns wasnt ranked first in the nation for no reason.
It's gotten a lot closer, but I will say that no matter how you shake it, the Q has less total talent to pick from than the OHL and the WHL. There are just more quality younger players who come out of Toronto and rural Alberta/Saskatchewan/BC.

A great team in the Q can stand up to a great team in the WHL, but give them an entire schedule of interplay and the WHL will crush them.

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05-24-2011, 07:52 PM
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It's gotten a lot closer, but I will say that no matter how you shake it, the Q has less total talent to pick from than the OHL and the WHL. There are just more quality younger players who come out of Toronto and rural Alberta/Saskatchewan/BC.

A great team in the Q can stand up to a great team in the WHL, but give them an entire schedule of interplay and the WHL will crush them.
Haha yea right, the teams in the west are just as bad as the teams out east. The only difference is that one league has appox 100 more draft eligible players then the other. So I'd hope they have more talent coming out of the WHL seeing as how they have almost half of a total draft class advantage.

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I don't like judging a league's talent by the number of drafted players.

Take Pierre Durepos of Saint John for example.

Is he talented and a big part of Saint John's team? Yes. Will he get drafted? No, probably not.

There's plenty of guys like this on every team in every league.

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Haha yea right, the teams in the west are just as bad as the teams out east. The only difference is that one league has appox 100 more draft eligible players then the other. So I'd hope they have more talent coming out of the WHL seeing as how they have almost half of a total draft class advantage.
It's really not that simple. There are fundamental differences in how the game is played, and though the trap is increasingly common in the Q, there's still a clear focus on athleticism as opposed to all-around ability. There's a reason the Q turns out a lot of quality offensive players who are considered projects.


22 teams in the WHL, 18 teams in the QMJHL. The gap should be 19%, not 50-100%.

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I stand by my opinion that in a head-to-head series of games involving the leagues, not that different than the East and West conferences in the NHL, the WHL would crush the QMJHL.

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I don't like judging a league's talent by the number of drafted players.

Take Pierre Durepos of Saint John for example.

Is he talented and a big part of Saint John's team? Yes. Will he get drafted? No, probably not.

There's plenty of guys like this on every team in every league.
I agree, but I would also point out that great junior players without clear NHL upside exist in both leagues, and without actually finding the arbitrary line and bringing in numbers, it's easier just to say they cancel each other out.

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05-24-2011, 08:21 PM
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I agree, but I would also point out that great junior players without clear NHL upside exist in both leagues, and without actually finding the arbitrary line and bringing in numbers, it's easier just to say they cancel each other out.
Sure, it's easier, but it's not quite accurate.

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Sure, it's easier, but it's not quite accurate.
No, not 100% accurate.

The QMJHL probably has more of those players. Less complete, or compete, or size or what have you. More offensive difference makers without NHL prospects.

I would guess those players would have less success against the WHL than they do against the Q for that very reason. The Dub is widely considered the closest style-wise to pro hockey among the three junior leagues.

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Jurco shows off his slick head to go along with those slick hands.

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Kootenay was nothing short of pathetic at the end there. At least two if not three real good chances to take a shot at the open net and only a half hearted attempt. I hope they lose, no balls at all to try and just end the game instead of 'playing it safe'.

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Jurco shows off his slick head to go along with those slick hands.
I know youre one of the "draft gurus" so I thought maybe Id ask you here.

Where is Jurco expected to go this year? What type of potential does he have? Does he play a two-way game, or strictly offense? Also, looking at his stats, they seem a little underwhelming, any reasons?

Thanks, Ive only got a chance to see him in this tourney, but I have been quite impressed.

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I know youre one of the "draft gurus" so I thought maybe Id ask you here.

Where is Jurco expected to go this year? What type of potential does he have? Does he play a two-way game, or strictly offense? Also, looking at his stats, they seem a little underwhelming, any reasons?

Thanks, Ive only got a chance to see him in this tourney, but I have been quite impressed.
I'd say he's the shoot-first Ales Hemsky. He's got the same hands, IQ and speed and he backchecks pretty decently, but I wouldn't really call him a two-way player.

He didn't have Huberdeau/Phillips type numbers because he was playing on the 2nd line with Kirkpatrick and Anthony, as well as, he had some consistency issues.

The main knock on him has been consistency. He's been playing awesome so far in the Memorial Cup, but he definitely hasn't played like this during the season, otherwise I think he'd be a top15 pick. Realistically, I think he could go anywhere around 20th overall and on.

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The Dub is widely considered...
The best place to find NHL pluggers.

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I'd say he's the shoot-first Ales Hemsky. He's got the same hands, IQ and speed and he backchecks pretty decently, but I wouldn't really call him a two-way player.

He didn't have Huberdeau/Phillips type numbers because he was playing on the 2nd line with Kirkpatrick and Anthony, as well as, he had some consistency issues.

The main knock on him has been consistency. He's been playing awesome so far in the Memorial Cup, but he definitely hasn't played like this during the season, otherwise I think he'd be a top15 pick. Realistically, I think he could go anywhere around 20th overall and on.
Thanks. I pretty much thought this while I saw him play regarding similar style to Hemsky, and I do remember him having one really nice back check too, to break up a chance.

With these types of players it usually is consistency that plagues them. But I guess hes heating up at the right time and could realyl boost his draft stock as the draft nears.

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The best place to find NHL pluggers.
At least they make it to the nhl

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The best place to find NHL pluggers.
You need those two if you want to go far. That said some act as if elite offensive talent has never ever come from the WHL. (Sakic, Modano, Getzlaf, M. Green, etc.)

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You need those two if you want to go far. That said some act as if elite offensive talent has never ever come from the WHL. (Sakic, Modano, Getzlaf, M. Green, etc.)
And some act as though the Q is some 5th rate league.

I'm just trying to temper the ridiculous anti-Q comments. The Q produces as many (more even) NHL stars as the WHL.

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And some act as though the Q is some 5th rate league.

I'm just trying to temper the ridiculous anti-Q comments. The Q produces as many (more even) NHL stars as the WHL.
Like who? Sidney Crosby? Pfffttt!

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Like who? Sidney Crosby? Pfffttt!
Don't forget Marc-Andre Bergeron.

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I don't get how some people on here can still act like the Q is a second grade league and couldn't beat an AJHL team. All the facts have been brought up and proved that it's at least equal to or better then the W in developing elite NHL players.

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