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05-16-2011, 11:13 AM
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He's never scored at any level.
What's our threshold for scoring? I'll use Bergfors just because he comes up as someone some people want back.

Niklas Bergfors - .25 goals per game & .33 assists per game at AHL level

Vladimir Zharkov - .20 goals per game & .40 assists per game at AHL level.

So production wise those 2 players aren't that much different in the AHL. Zharkov obviously dominates Bergfors in almost any other way other than shooting. I wouldn't move Zharkov for Bergfors straight up.

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Realistically, he's going to be lucky to ever hit 10 goals a season.
Realistically, I think it's likely he scores over 10 goals multiple times in his career. Guy generates too many shots/opportunities per minute on the ice not to.

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05-16-2011, 11:18 AM
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Personally, I think he could develop into another Sergei Nemchinov type of player, with a little more experience. Lou would be foolish to get rid of him. I think he'll be re-signed for 3 years and we'll just have to wait and see after that. Everything will depend on how well he understands the game, and whether or not he can score at least 10-15 goals a year. Personally, I wouldn't bet against him as a future solid role-player.

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05-16-2011, 11:21 AM
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What's our threshold for scoring? I'll use Bergfors just because he comes up as someone some people want back.

Niklas Bergfors - .25 goals per game & .33 assists per game at AHL level

Vladimir Zharkov - .20 goals per game & .40 assists per game at AHL level.

So production wise those 2 players aren't that much different in the AHL. Zharkov obviously dominates Bergfors in almost any other way other than shooting. I wouldn't move Zharkov for Bergfors straight up.



Realistically, I think it's likely he scores over 10 goals multiple times in his career. Guy generates too many shots/opportunities per minute on the ice not to.
I am not a person who considered Bergfors a goal scorer though...

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05-16-2011, 11:24 AM
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I don't think nogoalov scores 10 multiple times in his career either. Playing in the bottom 6 and generating chances for his linemates is plenty for me

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05-16-2011, 11:36 AM
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Most people here know my thoughts, though sometimes take them to the extreme.

Most of what has been mentioned is true: Great defensively, very good skater, great passer, hounds the puck, creates turnovers and draws penalties. His scoring touch at the NHL level is all but non-existant at the moment, but that can change.

As has also been mentioned, his ceiling his higher than people give credit for, but even if he doesn't develop that scoring ability, he's a perfect role player. Terrible for fantasy leagues, great for an NHL team.

This team shouldn't really need him to contribute a ton of goals anyway. They have 5438648 other players who are supposed to be great at that. He should crack the lineup next season depending on where Palmieri ends up and if Henrique sticks. If Steckel was waived then we could have a real legit 4th line.

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05-16-2011, 11:45 AM
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I'm excited to see what Zhark can do with a full NHL season next year. Not points-wise, just how his overall game grows. He's probably the only "bottom-6" guy we have that Detroit would welcome with open arms.

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05-16-2011, 11:49 AM
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Funny how we went from being happy that we got steckel for arnott straight up to waiving him lol

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05-16-2011, 12:06 PM
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Zharkov is the type of bottom 6 forward we need going forward. He shouldn't be a throw in for a trade.

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he sure will be! being 4th line or backing them up in 3rd/4th!

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The way I figure it, there is very little chance that he'll get worse at scoring. So the only thing left is up. He'll get better and better as he gets more comfortable. There is not too many people as good as he is defensively and his puck possession is key to the Devils if we ever get a puck possession coach.

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The way I figure it, there is very little chance that he'll get worse at scoring. So the only thing left is up. He'll get better and better as he gets more comfortable. There is not too many people as good as he is defensively and his puck possession is key to the Devils if we ever get a puck possession coach.
I like the way you think.

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He'll have a job until we can find someone who can do what he does and chip in a little bit offensively. I wouldn't say he is a lock as he's certainly a replaceable player. A lot depends on the new coach, what happens during the offseason, and how guys like hoeffel do during training camp.

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The way I figure it, there is very little chance that he'll get worse at scoring. So the only thing left is up. He'll get better and better as he gets more comfortable. There is not too many people as good as he is defensively and his puck possession is key to the Devils if we ever get a puck possession coach.
or stay exactly the same.

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or stay exactly the same.
Which I have no problem with.

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Zharkov creates a lot of chances is probably our best defensive winger, great forechecker. He is a bit snakebitten but he is exactly what you want in bottom 6 player. I think the scoring will come. He will probably practice really hard on his offensive game during the offseason.

There are no doubts in my mind that he shouldn't be on the team unless someone really impresses during training camp.

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Which I have no problem with.
He should get at least a little better at scoring than he is now. A player who can't score at all is not an effective use of a roster spot.

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I think Zharkov will end up around 5 goals 12 assists next year if we have a competent coach. He gets too many chances for some of them not to go in.

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He should get at least a little better at scoring than he is now. A player who can't score at all is not an effective use of a roster spot.
If he`s the only one, I still have no problem with it. But of course I`d rather see him score at least 5+ per season.

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depending on where Palmieri ends up.

Where does Palmieri fit in next season ?

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Where does Palmieri fit in next season ?
He's a good complementary forward for the top 6. He ended this season playing with Kovalchuk and Zajac. He might stay with one of those players next season. It depends on the new coach.

My best guess, the line will either be Parise-Zajac-Palmieri, or Kovalchuk-Josefson-Palmieri. There's also the possibility that he'll end up on the third line.

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He should get at least a little better at scoring than he is now. A player who can't score at all is not an effective use of a roster spot.
Thats the way I look at it. I mean I'm not looking for him to lead our team offensively but another key attribute for a bottom 6 player is timely scoring. It's a must in my book.


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He's a good complementary forward for the top 6. He ended this season playing with Kovalchuk and Zajac. He might stay with one of those players next season. It depends on the new coach.

My best guess, the line will either be Parise-Zajac-Palmieri, or Kovalchuk-Josefson-Palmieri. There's also the possibility that he'll end up on the third line.
He's another guy whose spot really depends on what happens in the off season. We have a collection of forwards that need to be put in an offensive role. Someone right now is the odd man out.

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Thats the way I look at it. I mean I'm looking for him to lead our team offensively but another key attribute for a bottom 6 player is timely scoring. It's a must in my book.
Your eyes must hurt since we won the Cup then. I feel sorry for you.

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Your eyes must hurt since we won the Cup then. I feel sorry for you.
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Our 4th line has been more or less weak in scoring since then.

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