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05-20-2011, 10:35 PM
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TOR - CHI - another team

To TOR:
18th overall

To CHI:
2011 2nd round - 39th overall
2011 3rd round (from phi) - 85th overall
2012 2nd round
+ mid prospect (someone like mikus, holzer, carrick)

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with that (provided accepted) ... whats the highest pick / package of picks Toronto could receive packaging all 3 picks together...

Would the Oilers accept 3 1sts for 1st overall?

just a bored thought

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05-20-2011, 10:46 PM
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To TOR:
18th overall

To CHI:
2011 2nd round - 39th overall
2011 3rd round (from phi) - 85th overall
2012 2nd round
+ mid prospect (someone like mikus, holzer, carrick)

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with that (provided accepted) ... whats the highest pick / package of picks Toronto could receive packaging all 3 picks together...

Would the Oilers accept 3 1sts for 1st overall?

just a bored thought
lol no

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05-20-2011, 10:47 PM
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Would the Oilers accept 3 1sts for 1st overall?
Nope. Well certainly not the 18th,25,27(?). I do wonder though what those 3 picks could get you.. hmmf. Would it be worth it to move those picks to say the sens, isles or jersey? But it would take more than three late firsts to get the first overall imo.. but you would have to think it is close.

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I'd rather keep the picks. Or remove the 2012 1st and I would do it.

Keeping our 2012 2nd + having Boston's 2012 2nd will allows us to move up our 2012 1st a lot (if we package them)

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05-20-2011, 11:00 PM
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If I were edm I'd accept the three firsts for the first overall. That'd give them four picks in the first round, they have lots of holes to fill and this would give them plenty of quality players they could plug in this year and upcoming ones.

Sure it's nice having the first overall and getting a superstar caliber player, but the upside of having four firsts and the ability to plug many holes outweighs filing the one with a stud imo.

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I'd rather keep the picks. Or remove the 2012 1st and I would do it.

Keeping our 2012 2nd + having Boston's 2012 2nd will allows us to move up our 2012 1st a lot (if we package them)
What does the 2012 30th, 2012 31st,2012 60th move you up to? Hypothetically of course!


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05-21-2011, 12:41 AM
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If I were edm I'd accept the three firsts for the first overall. That'd give them four picks in the first round, they have lots of holes to fill and this would give them plenty of quality players they could plug in this year and upcoming ones.

Sure it's nice having the first overall and getting a superstar caliber player, but the upside of having four firsts and the ability to plug many holes outweighs filing the one with a stud imo.
Haha, ya right. Three mid to late firsts aren't worth the #1 overall value-wise, never mind that it would take an overpayment to get them to move it. The Oilers have more then enough second tier prospects.

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05-21-2011, 06:23 AM
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To TOR:
18th overall

To CHI:
2011 2nd round - 39th overall
2011 3rd round (from phi) - 85th overall
2012 2nd round
+ mid prospect (someone like mikus, holzer, carrick)
Hmmm.... sounds interesting

2 2nds, a 3rd and Holzer for #18 overall. Make that 3rd to the 3rd 2012 and I think it would help us more

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Nope. Well certainly not the 18th,25,27(?). I do wonder though what those 3 picks could get you.. hmmf. Would it be worth it to move those picks to say the sens, isles or jersey? But it would take more than three late firsts to get the first overall imo.. but you would have to think it is close.
I couldn't disagree more.I don't think 3 mid-late 1st rounders,come close to landing 1st overall.

Heck,with scouts saying there is a big drop off in talent after the top 8 picks,I doubt the Sens,Isles or Devils are interested either.

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05-21-2011, 08:06 AM
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If I were edm I'd accept the three firsts for the first overall. That'd give them four picks in the first round, they have lots of holes to fill and this would give them plenty of quality players they could plug in this year and upcoming ones.

Sure it's nice having the first overall and getting a superstar caliber player, but the upside of having four firsts and the ability to plug many holes outweighs filing the one with a stud imo.
If every draft were the 03 draft, then MAYBE you'd consider it. But this draft ain't. We pick 1, 19, 31. We'll be fine with fixing our areas of weakness.

Also, even in a strong draft like 03 it took the late 1st rd gems like Getzlaf, Perry, Richards, etc. 2 yrs of seasoning before getting a taste of the NHL. So I fail to see how a bunch of late 1sts helps any of our current problems.

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Oilers would not accept 3 firsts for 1 first...

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05-21-2011, 08:28 AM
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There's no chance the Hawks do this. The difference from #18 to #39 is too big. The Hawks already have a lot of prospects, they need quality not quantity.

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oilers need quality players, not players who might not even make it, we can fill holes through trades/FA/already drafted players

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Do you think Jersey/NYI would accept 3 firsts for their pick?

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Do you think Jersey/NYI would accept 3 firsts for their pick?
Florida might be most likely to bite at #3 with Dale trying to build their system up. Though I don't see it happening without Toronto throwing in their 2012 1st.

But again, the Hawks aren't giving up #18 for scraps. The Hawks are probably the last team in the NHL that trading down for quantity would benefit. The Hawks have a lot of nice prospects, but no blue chippers. Not that #18 will get a blue chipper, but the proposed trade goes in the opposite direction of team needs.

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Do you think Jersey/NYI would accept 3 firsts for their pick?
Nope .

If we trade the #4 its for a package for a #1 Dman.

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Nope .

If we trade the #4 its for a package for a #1 Dman.
Brian Campbell?


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Brian Campbell?

Well hes paid like a number 1 Dman

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Florida might be most likely to bite at #3 with Dale trying to build their system up. Though I don't see it happening without Toronto throwing in their 2012 1st.

But again, the Hawks aren't giving up #18 for scraps. The Hawks are probably the last team in the NHL that trading down for quantity would benefit. The Hawks have a lot of nice prospects, but no blue chippers. Not that #18 will get a blue chipper, but the proposed trade goes in the opposite direction of team needs.
Totally agree. If anything I see the Hawks packaging the number 18 pick with a prospect (Beach) and trying to move into the 5 - 10 area for a chance at Huburdeau or Strome.

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If every draft were the 03 draft, then MAYBE you'd consider it. But this draft ain't. We pick 1, 19, 31. We'll be fine with fixing our areas of weakness.

Also, even in a strong draft like 03 it took the late 1st rd gems like Getzlaf, Perry, Richards, etc. 2 yrs of seasoning before getting a taste of the NHL. So I fail to see how a bunch of late 1sts helps any of our current problems.
How can anyone possibly tell that this draft may or may not be like the 03' draft when none of these players have even played 1 game in the NHL

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To TOR:
18th overall

To CHI:
2011 2nd round - 39th overall
2011 3rd round (from phi) - 85th overall
2012 2nd round
+ mid prospect (someone like mikus, holzer, carrick)

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with that (provided accepted) ... whats the highest pick / package of picks Toronto could receive packaging all 3 picks together...

Would the Oilers accept 3 1sts for 1st overall?

just a bored thought

without sounding to mean

2 seconds can get you a first in and around say 22 to say 25
a 2second and 2 thirds wont get you a 18th overall pick

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Totally agree. If anything I see the Hawks packaging the number 18 pick with a prospect (Beach) and trying to move into the 5 - 10 area for a chance at Huburdeau or Strome.
Would love to see the Hawks get Huberdeau, but it would take a lot more than #18 + Beach to move in to the top 6 to get him. And Stan Bowman doesn't come off to me as the aggressive type of GM to pull a trade like that off.

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I think it'd be more realistic if the Leafs simply traded one of our firsts and something to move up to the 18 spot; maybe nab Scheifele or McNeill.

What would Chicago ask for to trade down from 18 to either 25 or 27-30? We've got our 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th, Philly's 3rd, Edmonton's 6th, and Anaheim's 6th and 7th.

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nah.. the second in 2012 is pretty valuable imo, and I would try to keep it so we can trade up next year. From what I have heard, the difference from 15-40 is minimal, so it isnt worth it imo.

However, if this trade can somehow make us crack the top 8 (and still have another pick in the top 2 rounds), then I would do it.

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I think it'd be more realistic if the Leafs simply traded one of our firsts and something to move up to the 18 spot; maybe nab Scheifele or McNeill.

What would Chicago ask for to trade down from 18 to either 25 or 27-30? We've got our 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th, Philly's 3rd, Edmonton's 6th, and Anaheim's 6th and 7th.
As other Hawk fans have pointed out, Chicago likely isn't trading down in this draft. If anything, given Chicago's multiple 2nd/3rd round picks, it's more likely that they'll attempt to move up in the draft to try and aquire a more impactful prospect.

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