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Hamilton II: The City, The League, and The Coliseum

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05-21-2011, 09:17 PM
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killion, arena plans are (perhaps the most important) part of the expansion proposals.

i highly doubt the NHL would award an expansion team to a place that said: "hey, give us a team, we'll figure out this whole arena thing later".

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killion, arena plans are (perhaps the most important) part of the expansion proposals. i highly doubt the NHL would award an expansion team to a place that said: "hey, give us a team, we'll figure out this whole arena thing later".
I said "enjoin" danishh. Im putting it into the context of Expansion as opposed to Relocation. Expansion Application would include arena plans. If Governmental funding included, pre-approved. Similar to a World Cup or IOC Application process. Note that Quebec Citys arena construction costs are based partly on the cities desires to apply for a Winter Olympics'. There are flaws in the NHL's premise & in the expectant cities who fall for it.

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Suggesting Copps' is not exactly NHL ready is correct; suggesting it cant be made NHL ready, & rather quickly at that, is completely & utterly false. Its a 1980's built but 1990's generation building that can easily be built out from within in order to accommodate expanded media, concessions & the like. Games could be played there immediately as renovations are ongoing without a blip.
Your right Copps is unique arena because when they designed it they thought ahead & built it so future renovations can be done not a lot of major arenas in north america or even the world would build in arena with future renos & upgrades in mind normaly owners or cities would just tear it down & build a new one every few decades . In Copps case they built it so the roof can be lifted to make room for corprate boxers , concesessions , addtional seating ect. with all this going on they won't need to close the arena durring construction I know it sounds far fetched but they say it could be done . One thing I forgot to mention the foot print of Copps is more than double size than the avg. arena man the guys who designed it thought of everything .

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A Warrning to Quebec City if the NHL. promises you a team if you build a new arena we will come is load of crap we here in Hamilton fell for it 25 years ago & we are still waiting for the NHL. full fill its end of the bagain . Don't build it unless you have it in writting that you will get team if you build it .

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A Warrning to Quebec City if the NHL. promises you a team if you build a new arena we will come is load of crap we here in Hamilton fell for it 25 years ago & we are still waiting for the NHL. full fill its end of the bagain . Don't build it unless you have it in writting that you will get team if you build it .
you should build an arena on it's own merits, as winnipeg did and qc is planning. If the NHL comes, great. If not, fine, you wernt counting on it.

If you build an arena solely for the nhl, you get into the situation that glendale is in right now, and you're screwed.

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you should build an arena on it's own merits, as winnipeg did and qc is planning. If the NHL comes, great. If not, fine, you wernt counting on it.

If you build an arena solely for the nhl, you get into the situation that glendale is in right now, and you're screwed.
Glendale is in that situation because the arena is in Glendale and not downtown Phoenix.

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Glendale is in that situation because the arena is in Glendale and not downtown Phoenix.
Bingo. Let's get some thing right. The Phoenix Coyotes have moved twice. Once from Winnipeg and once from Phoenix, to Glendale.

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I don't think Balsille is done with NHL. or the NHL is done with him because I don't know if you herd but last year RIM. became one of the NHL's biggest sponsers & if Balsille was truly done with the NHL. he would apealed the judges rulling all the way to the highest court in the land & he also would of sued the NHL. & Bettman \ Daliy for slander & defamation of character & also would of pulled all sponsership RIM. had with the NHL. then & only then I would of said he was done but he didn't you know why because he wants another crack at bringing an NHL. team to Hamilton.
RIM has a board of directors and investors ,, Balsille cant just pull RIM sponsership and partnership with NHL because he doesn't liek NHL

And the Supreme Court would have ruled in favor of NHL ,,, Balsille had no case nor would he have case for Slander/Defamation

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If Hamilton hasn't got a stadium, nor an owner and their ticket rush did little to generate on the marketing scale for the AHL, how do you expect them to compete on the NHL? Quebec is a much more fancied city and I wouldn't be surprised to see them get the next spot if there is one.

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If Hamilton hasn't got a stadium, nor an owner and their ticket rush did little to generate on the marketing scale for the AHL, how do you expect them to compete on the NHL?.
Stadium needs a little work. So we do have one, as for owner .. Doubt there would be trouble finding an owner for a team in S/O.
Ohh and lol @ AHL

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Stadium needs a little work. So we do have one, as for owner .. Doubt there would be trouble finding an owner for a team in S/O.
Ohh and lol @ AHL
You have to build a new one. The NHL said it is out of date.

Yeah keep lol at the AHL ryan. Manitoba's 10k just landed an NHL team. Hamilton has nothing.

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You have to build a new one. The NHL said it is out of date.

Yeah keep lol at the AHL ryan. Manitoba's 10k just landed an NHL team. Hamilton has nothing.
When did the NHL say that a renovated copps won't work and only a new arena will work

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Suggesting Copps' is not exactly NHL ready is correct; suggesting it cant be made NHL ready, & rather quickly at that, is completely & utterly false. Its a 1980's built but 1990's generation building that can easily be built out from within in order to accommodate expanded media, concessions & the like. Games could be played there immediately as renovations are ongoing without a blip.
I was at Copp's on Friday night to watch the Bulldogs/ Aeros game. It had been a while since I'd been there, and it is nowhere near ready for an NHL team.

It's a great building to watch a game in, but hasn't aged well. Aside from just being really run-down ( those sticky floors! yuck! ) there's no real "luxury boxes" to speak of and the scoreboard is brutal.

The Bathrooms were spacious though.

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I was at Copp's on Friday night to watch the Bulldogs/ Aeros game. It had been a while since I'd been there, and it is nowhere near ready for an NHL team.

It's a great building to watch a game in, but hasn't aged well. Aside from just being really run-down ( those sticky floors! yuck! ) there's no real "luxury boxes" to speak of and the scoreboard is brutal.

The Bathrooms were spacious though.
We got that scoreboard from Winnipeg.. Lol

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When did the NHL say that a renovated copps won't work and only a new arena will work
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=604640

http://dennis-kane.com/the-continuin...fers-winnipeg/

http://dennis-kane.com/the-continuin...fers-winnipeg/


What else do you want???

Where is the money in Hamilton to build a new arena.

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RIM has a board of directors and investors ,, Balsille cant just pull RIM sponsership and partnership with NHL because he doesn't liek NHL

And the Supreme Court would have ruled in favor of NHL ,,, Balsille had no case nor would he have case for Slander/Defamation
Yes he did the NHL. was spreading rumors about him that where not true because the NHL. could not dig up any dirt on him in order to discredit him as owner .

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If Hamilton hasn't got a stadium, nor an owner and their ticket rush did little to generate on the marketing scale for the AHL, how do you expect them to compete on the NHL? Quebec is a much more fancied city and I wouldn't be surprised to see them get the next spot if there is one.
What have you been smoking they have Copps Coliseum that was built with future renovations in mind & as for a owners well you got Balsille , Gaglardi & several other ownership groups that want to put a team in Hamilton & the NHL. has said Hamilton would be the 5th largest (richest) market in the NHL. . Quebec City is know where ready they have 60 year old arena that is falling apart & also have not got all the funding they need for the new arena that they want .

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What have you been smoking they have Copps Coliseum that was built with future renovations in mind & as for a owners well you got Balsille , Gaglardi & several other ownership groups that want to put a team in Hamilton & the NHL. has said Hamilton would be the 5th largest (richest) market in the NHL. . Quebec City is know where ready they have 60 year old arena that is falling apart & also have not got all the funding they need for the new arena that they want .
Why do you keep repeating this lie. Quebec City has been funded buy the City and Province. Where is all the money for upgrades for Copps coming from.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ouncement.html

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FIRE & SAFTEY CODES you gotta be kidding me since when has Gary Bettman become a building inspector if all that was true Copps Coliseum would not be able opperate just one excuse after another . Copps Coliseum had future renovation in mind when they where designing Copps & 100 million dollar reno could extend Copps Coliseum's life for another 60 years & also can be done with out closing the arena .

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None of those are answers to what I asked..
I've never heard or read anything from the NHL saying a renovated copps would not do. What they have said is that copps in it's present state is not up to snuff

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None of those are answers to what I asked..
I've never heard or read anything from the NHL saying a renovated copps would not do. What they have said is that copps in it's present state is not up to snuff
Did you not read it. They said the fire and safety code are not up to snuff. They don't want it.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...nhl-bridesmaid

The spec. Copps is old. Bettman himself says so here.

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Why do you keep repeating this lie. Quebec City has been funded buy the City and Province. Where is all the money for upgrades for Copps coming from.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ouncement.html
The only reason Winnipeg got to the front of the line when comes getting an NHL. team was David Thompson because there was no way that Mark Chipman & TNSE. could of done it with out him . I don't see Quebec City makeing any offer right now to buy & move a team there my guess is they are going to wait a few years until there new arena is bulit rather than play in the one they have now . What is your problem with Hamilton getting an NHL. team ? .

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Did you not read it. They said the fire and safety code are not up to snuff. They don't want it.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...nhl-bridesmaid

The spec. Copps is old. Bettman himself says so here.
If Fire & saftey codes where not up to snuff they would not be able hold concerts , bulldog games ect. so what Gary Bettman said was outright lie & was just another flemsey excuse just to keep greedy morans at MLSE. happy .

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Did you not read it. They said the fire and safety code are not up to snuff. They don't want it.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...nhl-bridesmaid

The spec. Copps is old. Bettman himself says so here.
In the words of Ochocinco.... Child please! Lol
F/S codes? Good one Bettman.

It's not that old. ACC is only about 10 years older.
Now 15-20 years from now I would buy the "it's to old" excuse.

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The only reason Winnipeg got to the front of the line when comes getting an NHL. team was David Thompson because there was no way that Mark Chipman & TNSE. could of done it with out him . I don't see Quebec City makeing any offer right now to buy & move a team there my guess is they are going to wait a few years until there new arena is bulit rather than play in the one they have now . What is your problem with Hamilton getting an NHL. team ? .
I don't have one. Hamilton does not have one. I have a problem with you putting down QC when they have done all that.
The team would play in the colisee until the new arena was built
And tell me how is the NHL team going to solve any of Hamiltons other problems? And what is wrong with the Leafs. And why do you care if Toronto or Detroit gets a second team.

Quebecor is in talks right now
http://www.thescore.com/home/article...talks-with-nhl

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