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05-22-2011, 10:11 AM
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lol

Subban >>>>>>>>> Bogosian

You over value Bogosian, whether you like it or not.

Bogosian has regressed so much that is value is over stated and is not worth what Atlanta wants or fans think what he is worth. He is not worth the risk/reward.
Not saying that Bogosian is better than Subban, but coming from a guy whose user name is Subban76 does not exactly make you the definition of unbiased.

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Bad Proposal to Atlanta. Take 50.

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05-22-2011, 10:29 AM
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That's the scary part. Bob Hartley who is still well connected to the organization mentionned at one point this season that players like Kane and Bogo had literaly regressed in their game in the past 2 years and it was a real concern to him.

I just have that feeling that mentally he does not have what it takes. And for a market like Montreal, that's just not good. I really believe he would flop in a big hockey market.
not sure how you think Kane regressed, he put up 17 more points and was one goal away from a 20 goal season.

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05-22-2011, 10:38 AM
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Not saying that Bogosian is better than Subban, but coming from a guy whose user name is Subban76 does not exactly make you the definition of unbiased.
And my user name prevents me from having an unbiased opinion?

Anyhow, its a no brainer that Subban is >>>> Bogo. Don't need a biased opinion for that.

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05-22-2011, 10:42 AM
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not sure how you think Kane regressed, he put up 17 more points and was one goal away from a 20 goal season.
Just saying what Hartley said. Points and stats are one thing. How you play is another. Hartley daid that is play had regressed.

He was +2 is first year and -12 on a much better team this past year. Maybe the extra offense came at the expense of good 2 way play???

I will trust an actual coach that actually coached him over our opinions.

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05-22-2011, 10:59 AM
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And my user name prevents me from having an unbiased opinion?

Anyhow, its a no brainer that Subban is >>>> Bogo. Don't need a biased opinion for that.
PK Subban has one good playoff series and all of a sudden his fanboys think he is a top 20 Dman in the league. Seriously... think about it. You talk about Evander Kane, a guy who isn't even 20 regressing even though he is still putting up respectable numbers, wait till Subban regresses.

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05-22-2011, 11:10 AM
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The Thrashers organization should not be giving up on Bogosian so early or they will regret it. He's 20 years old and defenseman take longer than forwards to develop. He has all the tools to become a two way defenseman with some nastiness to his game.

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05-22-2011, 11:25 AM
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PK Subban has one good playoff series and all of a sudden his fanboys think he is a top 20 Dman in the league. Seriously... think about it. You talk about Evander Kane, a guy who isn't even 20 regressing even though he is still putting up respectable numbers, wait till Subban regresses.
Stop posting about Subban, you make yourself look like an ignorant fool. And the fact that you support your opinion of players with stats makes you look like an even bigger fool.

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05-22-2011, 11:31 AM
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He was +2 is first year and -12 on a much better team this past year.
You were saying something about stats?

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05-22-2011, 12:12 PM
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Just saying what Hartley said. Points and stats are one thing. How you play is another. Hartley daid that is play had regressed.

He was +2 is first year and -12 on a much better team this past year. Maybe the extra offense came at the expense of good 2 way play???

I will trust an actual coach that actually coached him over our opinions.
Where did you hear this? Hartley was basically excommunicated when he was fired. He's not connected to the organization anymore at all.

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05-22-2011, 12:33 PM
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The Thrashers organization should not be giving up on Bogosian so early or they will regret it. He's 20 years old and defenseman take longer than forwards to develop. He has all the tools to become a two way defenseman with some nastiness to his game.
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05-22-2011, 01:02 PM
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My intuition is that boosian will leave ATL for Carter, but if not, this is a decent alternate deal that could be made. And I did say decent, as it's surely going to get outbid... Bogosian is still loaded with talent.
Hmmmmm i think Bogosian will stay with winnipeg! ...

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05-22-2011, 01:14 PM
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Stop posting about Subban, you make yourself look like an ignorant fool. And the fact that you support your opinion of players with stats makes you look like an even bigger fool.
Talk about people in glass houses throwing stones....

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05-22-2011, 06:30 PM
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Where did you hear this? Hartley was basically excommunicated when he was fired. He's not connected to the organization anymore at all.
Hartley him self. He's on the air in Montreal every day.

If you really tyhink he as zero connections to the team, you are fooling yourself.

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05-22-2011, 06:33 PM
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You were saying something about stats?
Why did you remove this sentence which was right after?

"Maybe the extra offense came at the expense of good 2 way play???"

Which clearly shows that I'm only asking a question and not using stats as facts.

Nice try, but jokes on you

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05-22-2011, 06:34 PM
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Talk about people in glass houses throwing stones....
See post above...

I can't believe how many people can't read these days...

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05-22-2011, 06:40 PM
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Just saying what Hartley said. Points and stats are one thing. How you play is another. Hartley daid that is play had regressed.

He was +2 is first year and -12 on a much better team this past year. Maybe the extra offense came at the expense of good 2 way play???

I will trust an actual coach that actually coached him over our opinions.
Hartley must be an idiot if he thinks Kane regressed. +/- is not indicative of a player's defense. The reason Kane's +/- went down is because the defense as a team got worse. We scored less as a team and gave up more as a team from the previous year. I hope you don't agree with him. Really don't know what he's watching.

Bogo's play overall did regress, but parts of it progressed as well.

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05-22-2011, 11:09 PM
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See post above...

I can't believe how many people can't read these days...
Good one buddy.

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PK could have a sophomore slump?

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05-23-2011, 03:21 PM
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Montreal Receives:

D Zach Bogosian


Atlanta/Winnipeg/whoever Receives:

D Yannick Weber
RW Danny Kristo
2012 First Round Pick


- Is the value here? What needs to be changed?
If Bogosian goes one way, Lois Leblanc better the center piece of the package coming back otherwise no dice from an Atlanta/Winnipeg perspective.

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05-23-2011, 03:25 PM
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How about
Leblanc + kristo + 3round Vs bogosian

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05-23-2011, 03:33 PM
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I'd do that, but I'm not sure how high Montreal fans are on Kristo. Do they want to include both Kristo and Leblanc?

For me though, Leblanc has to be the center piece because he's going to be amazing.

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05-23-2011, 03:35 PM
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PK > Bogosian

it's that simple

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05-23-2011, 03:38 PM
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I'd do that, but I'm not sure how high Montreal fans are on Kristo. Do they want to include both Kristo and Leblanc?

For me though, Leblanc has to be the center piece because he's going to be amazing.
Kristo will be a good player, we're just riding the Palushaj wave right now since he's tearing up the AHL. A lot of us also still expect Avtsin to be a great player. In that sense it "sort of" makes Kristo expendable if it can get us a piece we like better like a big D with lots of upside.

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05-23-2011, 03:50 PM
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Wasn't the rumor around deadline:

Montreal

1st round pick'11
1st round pick'12
Weber
Kristo

for

Atlanta

Bogosian

Which was reportedly turned down?

I remember the 2 first rounders and 2 players for Bogosian. The asking price was high but went to show that Gauthier is interested in Bogosian. I think it was also stated that Atlanta still thought they were in the playoff picture and didn't want to deal him then.

He might make a deal at the draft possibly again for him, which might cost him less as its just for his rights and not a signed Bogosian.

The whole thing that intrigues me about this is that Gauthier put a serious offer on the table at deadline, so I could see it coming up again at the draft, especially with the possible relocation and everything going on.

I don't know but what do you all think? Do you think Gauthier throws another offer on the table?

The thing that is interesting is, Gorges, Emelin, Markov, Subban, Spacek all seem like a lock and the addition with Diaz seems like they are saving alot of money on the backend and getting younger. Maybe they will make a potential offer to get Bogosian in Montreal at the draft and pair him with Markov.


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