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07-16-2004, 03:27 AM
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Jason Allison? Whispers of preliminary talks?

Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

Also in that article: LOVING the idea of a full tournament w/ the Flames and Nucks rooks, in addition to the Golden Bears. Hope it happens, would've like it to have happened a few years ago.


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Wowzers, Allison would be an amazing addition if he is healthy. The problem is that an entirely healthy Jason Allison would likely make a lot more than the Oilers are capable of offering him.. Boy would he look good on a line with Smyth and Hemsky though..

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I dont know if i like that...Allison is a great player but those injuries just scare the hell out of me...

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I dont know if i like that...Allison is a great player but those injuries just scare the hell out of me...

If its any consolation, once someone recovers from a whiplash injury, they are no more likely to sustain another than anyone else.

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If Nedved goes elsewhere then yes, otherwise get Nedved to Rexall.

It would be a high risk-very high reward type of situation because when healthy Allison is a top 5 center in the league or was depending how much the injury took out of him.

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If Allison is healthy enough to play, the Oilers surely cannot outbid other teams for his rights. If Allison is not healthy, I think last year's ongoing center debacle was instructive enough on What Not To Do.

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Calling all igor's!

Hey igor, not sure if you have gobs of time lying around, but it would be interesting if this Allison talk persists to see a bit of a statiscal comparaison between him and Nedved, especially considering Nedved's none too flattering even strength stats.

Man, I think I'm addicted to igor's numbers :lol

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If Allison is healthy enough to play, the Oilers surely cannot outbid other teams for his rights. If Allison is not healthy, I think last year's ongoing center debacle was instructive enough on What Not To Do.
There is a reason why Nedved hasn't been picked up yet. There simply aren't too many teams that can guarantee these guys the #1 center position which the Oilers can. Also many teams don't need a center.

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If Allison is healthy enough to play, the Oilers surely cannot outbid other teams for his rights. If Allison is not healthy, I think last year's ongoing center debacle was instructive enough on What Not To Do.
Exactly my thoughts..

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allison would be a huge addition IF he's healthy, and even if he's healthy can he regain his all-star status from before his injury i still think he'd get 60 point at least if he was healthy but might not be top 5

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Health is an issue, the whiplash/concussions and I think he had some knee trouble in there too.

If he's healthy, Allison is a terrific player. Good size, hard worker and high skill. Not many of those lying around anywhere. They liked him in Beantown.

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1993-94 WASH, NHL 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
1994-95 WASH, NHL 12 2 1 3 6 -3 2 0 0 9 22.22
1995-96 WASH, NHL 19 0 3 3 2 -3 0 0 0 18 0.00
1996-97 WASH, NHL 53 5 17 22 25 -3 1 0 1 71 7.04
1996-97 BOST, NHL 19 3 9 12 9 -3 1 0 0 28 10.71
1997-98 BOST, NHL 81 33 50 83 60 33 5 0 8 158 20.89
1998-99 BOST, NHL 82 23 53 76 68 5 5 1 3 158 14.56
1999-00 BOST, NHL 37 10 18 28 20 5 3 0 1 66 15.15
2000-01 BOST, NHL 82 36 59 95 85 -8 11 3 6 185 19.46
2001-02 LOSA, NHL 73 19 55 74 68 2 5 0 2 139 13.67
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Hmm... Games played is kind of up in the air. He's Weight or Grier-esque if anything.

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If the Oilers sign Nedved, Allison might be a good pickup at a very low base (i.e. ~ $1.5M) plus incentives. I think he could be used sparingly 5on5 and on the PP, with Horcoff/Reasoner and Stoll picking up the remaining C minutes. York can play wing, but fill in at centre if Allison has to miss some games.

I think signing Allison to be your #1 centre would be suicide, but Lowe's already mentioned they might try and bring in 2 centres. I think he'd be great for a playoff run & following past injuries he hasn't been negatively affected (points-wise) during his recovery.

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If the Oilers sign Nedved, Allison might be a good pickup at a very low base (i.e. ~ $1.5M) plus incentives. I think he could be used sparingly 5on5 and on the PP, with Horcoff/Reasoner and Stoll picking up the remaining C minutes. York can play wing, but fill in at centre if Allison has to miss some games.

I think signing Allison to be your #1 centre would be suicide, but Lowe's already mentioned they might try and bring in 2 centres. I think he'd be great for a playoff run & following past injuries he hasn't been negatively affected (points-wise) during his recovery.
If that were the case I'd be all over it. All of this depends on what Brewer gets in arbitration however (unless he gets traded).

One thing, though. If We get Nedved and Allison - it seems to me we'd eventually have to lose one of either Reasoner or Horcoff. Or... have we already lost Reasoner? How bad IS his injury?

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If that were the case I'd be all over it. All of this depends on what Brewer gets in arbitration however (unless he gets traded).

One thing, though. If We get Nedved and Allison - it seems to me we'd eventually have to lose one of either Reasoner or Horcoff. Or... have we already lost Reasoner? How bad IS his injury?
I'd be all over it too obviously, but realistically there are too many question marks to make it anything more than my own little fantasy, such as...

Will Nedved or another 1st line C sign?
Will Allison be willing to take a low base?
How much would the incentives set us back?
Is Allison really healthy?
etc...

I remember hearing that Reasoner was cleared to play the last two games of the season, but he wasn't in game shape. However, I'm a little skeptical about his ability to pick up where he left off, and something tells me that he may not be ready once he starts testing it in training camp. However, if the season starts up in December, I'd almost expect him to be at 100% physically and maybe 85% mentally.

I'd guess that we'd have to deal one of Horcoff and Reasoner too. My money would be on Reasoner.

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Allison would be a great addition to the Oils for offense. Here, in LA, we have heard his agent say he's healthy, but I doubt it since the Kings would have surely made progress in the contract if that were the case.

However, remember Allison has always had contract issues with WA and BOS. If Lowe should try to play hardball with Allison for a contract, I dont think Allison would bite. He seems to have a history of bickering with management.

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Allison would be a great addition to the Oils for offense. Here, in LA, we have heard his agent say he's healthy, but I doubt it since the Kings would have surely made progress in the contract if that were the case.

However, remember Allison has always had contract issues with WA and BOS. If Lowe should try to play hardball with Allison for a contract, I dont think Allison would bite. He seems to have a history of bickering with management.
But this time it's different. Allison has been out for a year and a half and teams are likely really hesitant to sign him to a contract. Allison may realize that he doesn't have too many opportunities and maybe he'll lower his demands that he has had so high in the past. If he gets a contract over $3million I would be really surprised.

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About 6 months ago Jason Allison was supposedly 100% healthy, then he hit the ice for a contract practice, skated for about 15 minutes, got dizzy, and was clearly not fit to play.

I recall reading a thing about his condition, and doctors have said that if it lasts beyond 6 - 12 months, it's almost always permanent. Allison has been dealing with this for about 16 months by my count.

Some people on here might have visions of him getting magically healthy and playing again, but I seriously doubt that happens. Better that Lowe spends the cash on Nedved and perhaps adding a defenseman, or better yet a goaltender, than going after guys like Jason Allison, Al MacInnis, Adam Deadmarsh, and Pavel Bure - guys who may never play another NHL game again.

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Some people on here might have visions of him getting magically healthy and playing again, but I seriously doubt that happens. Better that Lowe spends the cash on Nedved and perhaps adding a defenseman, or better yet a goaltender, than going after guys like Jason Allison, Al MacInnis, Adam Deadmarsh, and Pavel Bure - guys who may never play another NHL game again.
i am going to agree with Jay here but our goalies are fine

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Better that Lowe spends the cash on Nedved and perhaps adding a defenseman, or better yet a goaltender, than going after guys like Jason Allison, Al MacInnis, Adam Deadmarsh, and Pavel Bure - guys who may never play another NHL game again.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Lowe is rushing to sign these guys, but we appreciate your ongoing comments on the Oilers' numerous and varied deficiencies.

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The Oilers don't need any more defencemen, nor do they need anymore goaltending.

That would just be a useless waste of money. I'd rather sign Allison than spend the money on a Hedberg, or a Hill (I know he signed, but that type of defenceman).

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About 6 months ago Jason Allison was supposedly 100% healthy, then he hit the ice for a contract practice, skated for about 15 minutes, got dizzy, and was clearly not fit to play.

I recall reading a thing about his condition, and doctors have said that if it lasts beyond 6 - 12 months, it's almost always permanent. Allison has been dealing with this for about 16 months by my count.

Some people on here might have visions of him getting magically healthy and playing again, but I seriously doubt that happens. Better that Lowe spends the cash on Nedved and perhaps adding a defenseman, or better yet a goaltender, than going after guys like Jason Allison, Al MacInnis, Adam Deadmarsh, and Pavel Bure - guys who may never play another NHL game again.
I partially agree with what you say. I don't feel we need to look for a new goaltender (unless Conkanen flops about a 1/4 into the season) but I do agree that Allison is probably not a viable option. We can't afford to shell out $3-$5 million on a player that might not even be able to suit up next year. Nedved might not have the all-around game that Allison has but he's a proven commodity in Edmonton and has managed to play in over 75 games in each of the last 5 seasons. I would only sign Allison if he would come for extremely cheap.. unfortunately, a lot of GM's have the money to outbid us on a high risk/high reward type like Jason Allison.

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I do not see Allison being signed by the Oil for the reasons listed above and one more. There is no insurance company on the planet that would touch him with someone else's 10 foot pole!!! If you can't insure his salary in case of injury, Lowe will not sign the guy. Unless he can do it for $1 Mill per yr. plus some kind of games played incentive. SOmeone will out bid us.

Too bad. He would be a great risk to take. If he were to stay healthy, he's the type of first line centre that could take this team from an also ran to a contender IMHO.


Smyth - Allison - Dvo
Torres - York - Hemsky
Moreau - Reasoner/Horcoff - Pisani
Isbister - Horcoff/Stoll - Laraque/Rita


Looks pretty good on paper.


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"OILERS AND ALLISON TALKING?

EDMONTON SUN: Scott Zerr reports the Edmonton Oilers are still hoping to re-sign centre Petr Nedved, but there's now speculation they're also in talks with former LA Kings centre Jason Allison, who missed all of last season due to whiplash. In arbitration news, Radek Dvorak joined Eric Brewer in filing for salary arbitration but team captain Jason Smith decided to pass.

Spector's Note: My thanks to Dave Caldwell and everyone else who sent this in. If the Oilers are indeed talking to Allison it could be indicative that talks may not be going well with Nedved, or they're looking for a fallback plan if they're unable to get Nedved re-signed. "

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There is a reason why Nedved hasn't been picked up yet. There simply aren't too many teams that can guarantee these guys the #1 center position which the Oilers can. Also many teams don't need a center.
Or could it be that he was honeymooning for the last couple weeks? Since his wedding, we've heard nothing.

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