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05-24-2011, 01:13 AM
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Mac A + Phi 1st + Bos 1st

If the Leafs were to do a sign and trade with the above mentioned package what would your team be willing to offer. It does not have to be C in return but a legitimate top 6 or top 4 puck moving dman is required to come back. It could also be a salary dump + maybe top 3 (who is currently not able to play top 3 in some teams). Lets hear your thoughts and see if this package fits your team needs.

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this is not a deep draft and those picks a too deep in the first round to be worth much

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Something like Hemsky maybe. Depending on what the Oilers think about resign him

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Something like Hemsky maybe. Depending on what the Oilers think about resign him
Good call. A 'Hemsky' type looks about right.

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I would consider Hemsky for that package as an Oil fan.

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No thanks on hemsky . The guy is a walking injury ward.

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I don't no if I would trade Macarthur alone for Hemsky let alone add in those two 1st round picks... Mac is 26 and just put up 60 + points... As well has shown grit and chemistry with the team. Hemsky is better but he has been injured a lot.

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Honestly (IMO), Mac's value isn't going to be high enough to other teams to net the return the Leafs would be looking for (top6 C). But who knows!

Not much point in moving our 62pt RW (who played a full 82games; very consistently) for another winger. Let alone one that only played 47 games this year.

This is no knock on hemsky, he's the better player, no doubt. But we have a bigger need for 50-60pts over 82 games as opposed to 40-45pts over 45-50games.

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I don't no if I would trade Macarthur alone for Hemsky let alone add in those two 1st round picks... Mac is 26 and just put up 60 + points... As well has shown grit and chemistry with the team. Hemsky is better but he has been injured a lot.
Players like MacArthur can be signed every year as UFA without any problem. How many guys like Hemsky are available every year?

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These assets are much more valuable to us than another team.

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These assets are much more valuable to us than another team.
not really.

you need quality players now, because your prospect depth isn't that bad.

Mac + PHI 1st should get you a Top6 Winger.

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Pass on Hemsky, the guy is talented but he is on the last year of his contract and is so injury prone, I would not be suprise if MacA surpass Hemsky in points for another year just because Hemsky is so injury prone.

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not really.

you need quality players now, because your prospect depth isn't that bad.

Mac + PHI 1st should get you a Top6 Winger.
Mac is a top 6 winger ... And we do not need anymore wingers, we need a Center.

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Players like MacArthur can be signed every year as UFA without any problem. How many guys like Hemsky are available every year?
1)Can you please name 5 players going into UFA this year that are comparable to Mac?

2)Which of these players will get (approx.) the same salary as Mac?

I'd be willing to bet that even after being resigned, Mac will still be a great bargain (pts per $).

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Habs first for Mac A + the Flyers' first

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Add Tinordi and a 3rd and its a deal

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not really.

you need quality players now, because your prospect depth isn't that bad.

Mac + PHI 1st should get you a Top6 Winger.
Who exactly? (what type of player)?

MacArthur is a top-6 forward that's proven to be productive here. There's really no sense in trading him for another winger.

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I'm not sure MacArthur + 25th overall gets us a player who is a whole lot better than MacArthur himself.

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sounds like....ryder +halak +2nd?? Anyone??

sorry laffs but don't think you can trade away only assets your willing to part with and get in return a solid top 6 or top 4 player.

Montreal fans and laffers seem to be the best at coming up with this junk.

IMo this package has a lot of value, but too much uncertainty around the picks and Mac's consistency to justify the top-level talent i think the leafs really need

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I think you Leafs fans are overrating MacArthur like crazy relative to how GMs will see him.

Let's not forget that in his previous two seasons he had 31 points in 71 games and 35 points in 81 games. Everyone's going to wait and see if this season was an anomaly before going nuts.

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Who exactly? (what type of player)?

MacArthur is a top-6 forward that's proven to be productive here. There's really no sense in trading him for another winger.

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I'm not sure MacArthur + 25th overall gets us a player who is a whole lot better than MacArthur himself.
One good season is not being "proven"

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1)Can you please name 5 players going into UFA this year that are comparable to Mac?

2)Which of these players will get (approx.) the same salary as Mac?

I'd be willing to bet that even after being resigned, Mac will still be a great bargain (pts per $).
1.) Michael Ryder, Marco Sturm, Radim Vrbata, Erik Cole, Andrew Brunette, Chuck Kobasew, Scottie Upshall. (All secondary scorers, all free agents that can fill holes without giving up a top-6 guy)

2.) Tough to say what Clarke is going to get. My guess is maybe slightly north of 3m and I think most of that list will be around there IE just above or just under.

MacArthur had a real good year but it depends on if any other GM is sold that he can do it again. He hasn't seen much success anywhere else. Also the Leafs need to upgrade their top-3 not top-6. Their 2nd line is one of the most effective and dangerous in the league. Why break it up? If the Leafs want a top-3 forward they need to be prepared to start shipping out a couple high end prospects (Gardiner, Kadri, Colborne) and future 1st (not Bos or Phi's) for that player.

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I think you Leafs fans are overrating MacArthur like crazy relative to how GMs will see him.

Let's not forget that in his previous two seasons he had 31 points in 71 games and 35 points in 81 games. Everyone's going to wait and see if this season was an anomaly before going nuts.
He played 17 minutes each night in Toronto and was relied on as a top-6 forward.

In Buffalo and Atlanta, he average 14-15 minutes a game and was put into a checking-line role.

I'm not making any guarantee that he's going to replicate what he did this year, but being given top-6 minutes, PP time and linemates like Grabovski and Kulemin who make others more productive, gives him a chance to succeed and perform.

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Weiss + pick/prospect?

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He played 17 minutes each night in Toronto and was relied on as a top-6 forward.

In Buffalo and Atlanta, he average 14-15 minutes a game and was put into a checking-line role.

I'm not making any guarantee that he's going to replicate what he did this year, but being given top-6 minutes, PP time and linemates like Grabovski and Kulemin who make others more productive, gives him a chance to succeed and perform.
Sure, but if I'm an NHL GM I'm going to wait another season and see if he can replicate those numbers before trading worthwhile assets for him in some kind of package.

For all we know, next season he could put up 40 points in 80 games and everyone will forget about him.

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