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05-23-2011, 07:52 PM
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Malkin is incredibly talented, everyone knows that.

Im simply saying that the canucks have no reason to deal such an important player like Kesler for a guy coming off a disappointing season and a major knee surgery. The canucks have built their team just fine, with all the pieces fitting together why would they even consider such a move?
Neither team has any reason to do it. But the reason I commented was because the OP implied basically that Kesler = Malkin. I assumed you were agreeing with the OP. If you were simply stating neither team has any reason to do the trade then I misinterpreted your response. My apologies if that's the case

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05-23-2011, 08:15 PM
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I'm sorry, but a player's latest season has a huge impact on player value. You're only as good as your latest performance.
Kesler is probably worth more than Ovechkin too then, I guess.

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The 100 point Malkin is better than Kesler, but we haven't seen that guy in two years.
In '09-'10, Malkin was on pace for 94 points with Dupuis and Fedotenko as his most frequent linemates.

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Instead, we saw a guy who half assed it and blew out both knees.
One knee. And he didn't require surgery on his MCL, only ACL.

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It's going to take him at least 18 months to get over that, if he ever does. He's a big questionmark right now.
Just like it did Franzen, eh?

Dispelling all your crazy notions is purely academic though, since there's no way in hell I'd deal Malkin for Kesler.

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05-23-2011, 08:21 PM
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I'm sorry, but a player's latest season has a huge impact on player value. You're only as good as your latest performance. The 100 point Malkin is better than Kesler, but we haven't seen that guy in two years. Instead, we saw a guy who half assed it and blew out both knees. It's going to take him at least 18 months to get over that, if he ever does. He's a big questionmark right now.
Two years? You do realize last season, he beat Keslers career high in points in 67 games.

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05-23-2011, 08:22 PM
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Kesler is far more valuable to the Canucks than Malkin would be. It is somewhat intriguing though.

How did this whole Malkin/Kesler debate get started? Trade value =/= Accolades or point production. Think logically.

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05-23-2011, 10:29 PM
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Pass, Gaborik is too soft for the Penguins grinding style and the first round draft pick could end up being a bust for all we know.

Also since when is Malkin = Kesler?

A case of "what have you done for me lately"?

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05-23-2011, 10:45 PM
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As a Rangers fan I'm intrigued, but not with the picks included. Can't see why the other teams do it though.

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05-23-2011, 10:53 PM
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Let me guess, you seen this on another board, and wanted to see the HF response too right?


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05-23-2011, 11:17 PM
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Uh huh. That's an ..... interesting deal....

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I'm sorry, but a player's latest season has a huge impact on player value. You're only as good as your latest performance. The 100 point Malkin is better than Kesler, but we haven't seen that guy in two years. Instead, we saw a guy who half assed it and blew out both knees. It's going to take him at least 18 months to get over that, if he ever does. He's a big questionmark right now.
Malkin has been playing injured for 2 years and playing with 3rd/4th liners and still beating Kesler in points. Malkin can also play on/carry a line by himself, but he's better with talented players obviously.

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05-23-2011, 11:23 PM
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Malkin is probably one of the most overrated players.

He used to be good. Now he's just a float. If he's already having this many injuries at this time of age, then Canucks might as well keep Kesler. One may be the better player, but the other will have the better career.

Forsberg compared to Sakic.

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05-23-2011, 11:27 PM
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Malkin is probably one of the most overrated players.

He used to be good. Now he's just a float. If he's already having this many injuries at this time of age, then Canucks might as well keep Kesler. One may be the better player, but the other will have the better career.

Forsberg compared to Sakic.
Used to be good? and you're comparing Keslers career to Sakic's? and you said Malkin was overrated LOL!

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05-23-2011, 11:30 PM
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Used to be good? and you're comparing Keslers career to Sakic's? and you said Malkin was overrated LOL!
You read right, congrats. "Used" to be good

Did I compare Kesler to Sakic? No. If you have problems reading, I suggest you ask before you assume. I'm taking that as an example.

Malkin is overrated. Do you watch him play? He's a floater who racks up phantom assists

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05-23-2011, 11:30 PM
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Well... this is an interesting one.

Not strictly against it, if Malkin can produce big-time again.

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You read right, congrats. "Used" to be good

Did I compare Kesler to Sakic? No. If you have problems reading, I suggest you ask before you assume. I'm taking that as an example.

Malkin is overrated. Do you watch him play? He's a floater who racks up phantom assists
This is so bad i'm not even going to respond to this, except to say i'm not going to respond to this. It's THAT bad.

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05-23-2011, 11:36 PM
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This is so bad i'm not even going to respond to this, except to say i'm not going to respond to this. It's THAT bad.
Then you're just losing credit for your argument.

Malkin has done nothing in the past 2 years. He's taking 8.7M in cap, yet all he does is get phantom assists and get set up by Crosby.

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05-23-2011, 11:42 PM
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Then you're just losing credit for your argument.

Malkin has done nothing in the past 2 years. He's taking 8.7M in cap, yet all he does is get phantom assists and get set up by Crosby.
Completely agree. Malkin is an overrated player, hence why he was drafted 2nd overall in 2004. Forget a Calder Trophy, forget a Conn Smythe, forget a scoring title; they are all caused by phantom assists and playing next to Crosby.

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Completely agree. Malkin is an overrated player, hence why he was drafted 2nd overall in 2004. Forget a Calder Trophy, forget a Conn Smythe, forget a scoring title; they are all caused by phantom assists and playing next to Crosby.
"Used to be good"

Wow, what happened here? Do people read anymore?

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"Used to be good"

Wow, what happened here? Do people read anymore?
So, in your little world, a player playing injured, dragging dead weight on his wings, equals "not good any more", is that what you are saying? Let me put it this way...........

Kesler career PPG - 0.59

Malkin career PPG - 1.17

....and that includes two "used to bee good" seasons.

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05-24-2011, 12:26 AM
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The problem with the Canucks taking Malkin for Kesler is the cap hit more than anything.

Canucks would have to dump players to add Malkin and don't have much for Malkin to work with.

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05-24-2011, 01:52 AM
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The problem with the Canucks taking Malkin for Kesler is the cap hit more than anything.

Canucks would have to dump players to add Malkin and don't have much for Malkin to work with.
Malkin doesn't need anything to work with. He is in a different league in terms of skill than Kesler. If you can part with Kesler and get Malkin you do it.

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Thats how i see the best in the NHL and Kesler is not even close to that list. All these Vancouver trolls. Your team would be nearly unbeatable with Malkin. And people talking about phantom assists, how about the phantom injuries being made up? 18 month recovery period?

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Vancouver says **** no. Malkin isn't a top 3 player anymore,no thanks. Kesler is much better defensively, more physical, more verstaile. I am not saying kesler is better than malkin overall but at this point with malkin's injury plagued, being paid 4-5 million more (haven't looked) while having a disappointing season, there's just no way the canucks even thinking about making such an significant deal.

Malkin is getting overrated in this thread, and is not the same malkin who won the conn smythe trophy a few years ago. Believe it or not having more points isn't the only way to gauge a player's overall impact for their respective teams.

Rangers run off like bandits. Just a ridiculous proposal where 2 teams get ****ed up hard.

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I am so confused....

Why?

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Malkin doesn't need anything to work with. He is in a different league in terms of skill than Kesler. If you can part with Kesler and get Malkin you do it.

Ovechkin
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Thats how i see the best in the NHL and Kesler is not even close to that list. All these Vancouver trolls. Your team would be nearly unbeatable with Malkin. And people talking about phantom assists, how about the phantom injuries being made up? 18 month recovery period?
Nearly unbeatable with a healthy Malkin... I agree. But you also completely change your core.

I also agree with your list. I'm just leery of moving a Kesler type who puts up 30-40 goals and is in the top 5 in two-way players every year at $5 mil for a top point producer who makes $8+ mil.

I am in no way saying Kesler is a better player than Malkin. On this topic the chances of any of this are nil so why even discuss it?

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van can't afford malkin.

obviously malkin > kesler, but van has a #1 center. kesler is a much better fit as the defensive specialist, and while malkin is decent defensively he's no kesler, i belive crosby and staal do most of that side of the work for him.

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