Yeah thats what I was thinking, he should have played with Gaborik with Dubi at center, that line could do some damage, but oh well I guess its probably because Torts hates him that he got put on the bottom 2 lines
I completly agree, ive been wanting to see what Wolski can do with two players that compliment him well. he has incredible offensive skills and it only shows up when he plays with guys who can bring that out in him.. Even when he was playing with Boyle and Prust, he really started to show up in the games against the caps. If i couldnt get the 41st and 47th pick in the draft for him with the Blues then i would just keep him for another year and see how he does.. Hes a UFA after this season anyway, it wouldnt hurt us
Id love to make a trade of Wolski and a 4th for a Taresenko and a 2nd but i highly doubt that would happen. It would free us up of another 3.8m to go after Richards or maybe a big name defensman while bringing in another 2nd, and a top rated goal scoring prospect. The one thing i wouldnt like is that if we do sign Richards, i would love to see Wolski on that line to give him a chance to be the 50-60pt winger he once was. Tough choice on what to do..
I meant wolski and a 4th for a 2nd - didnt intend to include tarasenko.
I meant wolski and a 4th for a 2nd - didnt intend to include tarasenko.
oh yea if that trade came up id do it in a heartbeat, but i misread the OP's post and didnt realize they were looking for a stop gap between Perrons injury and Taresenko not coming over till next season. my deal would be...
I meant wolski and a 4th for a 2nd - didnt intend to include tarasenko.
You're confusing all the people who don't know how to read
Just goes to show, most people on this forum don't even read the post before responding to it. No wonder there's so much arguing. No one reads what anyone writes
If they would take Wolski and a #4 for their #2, I would be really excited. In fact, it wouldn't be all that bad if they just took Wolski off our hands without compensation.
I don't see what we could give them to get a second rounder. Christ? I very much doubt he brings back that much and I don't know if he's what they are looking for.
Honestly, if we could back a pair of mid-round picks (4-5 round) for each of Wolski and Christ, I would be very excited.
I'd be shocked if we got a 2nd just giving up Wolski. I don't know if it would work even if we also threw in a 4th rounder. Maybe a 3rd and wolski would net us a 2nd.
I have a real feeling the club is looking to trade at least one prospect right now. Not much fact behind it but If we do get an early 2nd fro Stl I could see us trading mybe 2 of our 2's and our 1st plus kreider to move into something like the top 8 and grabbing one of the top forwards in the draft this year...though i really think this year staying at 15 between Armia, Mcneil, Scheif, somebody good is going to just fall to us at 15 and we maybe should stand pat and use our 2nd's for another good looking forward Maybe some of our 2's plus a prospect is used to get us another top 15 pick. Depends on other team's needs and if we even get this 3rd 2nd rounder. Fun to think about i guess.
Have shake my head and smile thinking about Tarasenko. This guy is never coming over here. If he does eventually come over,one foot will be out the door when things won't work out immediately. Tarasenko may end up staying longer in Russia than just another season. His dream is to play in NHL but he keeps putting off fulfilling his dream.
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Reports coming out of Russia are that Sibir is prepared to offer Tarasenko a two-year extension. He still has one year remaining on his current contract. But Armstrong was unaware of an impending new deal.
Watch him sign a 2 year extension to stay at home.
Just like Cherepanov who was supposed to come over for the 2008-09 season but stayed in Russia. If he didn't pass away,he would probably still be at Omsk.
we should trade wolski because wolski is NOT worth his cap hit of ~4mil. He had 35 points last season between the 2 teams, and his numbers here extrapolated to 82 games are 13G, 29A for 42P. nowhere near worth 4 mil for what he does when hes not scoring. Its not like he generates a ton of chances that dont go in, or that hes physical, or that he kills penalties. he doesnt do near enough to justify his cap hit. hes a shootout specialist and an enigma.
if we cant get Richards, then id be ok with keeping Wolski here since wed have more than enough cap space to give him one more year. but if richards is here, wolski needs to go.
Have shake my head and smile thinking about Tarasenko. This guy is never coming over here. If he does eventually come over........
Just like Cherepanov who was supposed to come over for the 2008-09 season but stayed in Russia. If he didn't pass away,he would probably still be at Omsk.
First of all why would you shake your head and smile about this news?
And I'll take that bet. Which one is it by the way, is he never coming over or 'if he DOES...'
And that Cherepanov comment is way out of line and just plain wrong.
Just like Cherepanov who was supposed to come over for the 2008-09 season but stayed in Russia. If he didn't pass away,he would probably still be at Omsk.
I usually agree with you, but this is ridiculous even as speculation. Cherepanov was under contract with Omsk for 2 years post draft. He didn't sign a new contract during that time. Omsk ownership changed and the agreement he had with the prior ownership didn't translate to the new ownership, so he had to fulfill his contractual obligation.
At least, that's how I remember it. I'm not going to dig up all the articles, but feel free to do so yourself if you think I'm wrong.
Even beyond that, Cherepanov had Jagr, his idol, telling him all about the NHL and feeding his dreams. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Cherry would have come over at the end of his contract. Sadly, we will never know now, nor will we know how good he could have been.
It seems like it could be a fit. For a team that floats near the cap floor, an overvalued contract with only a year remaining could be positive.
The question is, does Wolski fit the specific needs of the Blues. It's not like there's a shockingly talented playmaker on their roster that's guaranteed to unlock Wolski's potential. Success or failure basically rides on his chemistry with Berglund and if they don't have it, you've got a $4M 40-point player. In that scenario, probably better off to give the job to a forward prospect + sign a relatively inexpensive UFA as a fall back plan, save some money AND keep the 2nds. Just my $0.02.
I can't see the Blues being excited about any of these deals. I think they have better options internally.
Wolski is immensely talented, but it seems that once you end up in Tortorella's dog house, he's likely to leave you there until you starve. I think Wolski would be a good asset to keep until the end of his contract to see if he can get it together next season, but in all likelihood he's destined for a buyout.
I can't see the Blues being excited about any of these deals. I think they have better options internally.
Totally agree. This whole thread if based on supposition that the Blues will sacrifice assets because a 19 year old draft pick decided to stay in Russia one more year. There is nothing to support that theory...except the fact that some people are looking for a reason for the Rangers to move Wolski.
It's quite possible St Louis brings up a prospect, then the following year they have a prospect with one year of experience, Perron is back and perhaps Tarasenko is ready for the NHL as well. That's how you build.
Notice nobody said 'perhaps without Tarasenko and Perron the Blues will offer $8 million per year to Brad Richards'.
Yeah thats what I was thinking, he should have played with Gaborik with Dubi at center, that line could do some damage, but oh well I guess its probably because Torts hates him that he got put on the bottom 2 lines
Torts gave Wolski more than his fair shot when he first got here, and it was the same bad habits and same bad routine he gets into where he just floats.
If he did it may have been for a couple of shifts thats about it. Wolski was constantly skating on the bottom two lines. He was NEVER used correctly. He needs to be on an offensive line. No way do i trade him for anything less than the 41st and 47th pick. Otherwise might as well keep him, he is a 50pt producing winger in the nhl, is only 25yo and has 1yr left on his contract
Skating him with Stepan and Zuccarello wasn't using him correctly? The reason he found himself on the bottom 2 lines later in the season was because he struggled... The chicken didn't come before the egg... He found himself in that position because he struggled. 1 goal over the final 18 games of the season. 5 goals and 12 points through his first 18 games, 1 goal and 7 points through his final 18 games.... Torts is not going to leave a player who's struggling or not playing well defensively on any particular line, that's not how he runs his bench. He demotes & promotes players through the line-up as their play dictates.
Wolski played decently but he doesn't really have much value due to his inconsistency. There's no way the Blues trade a second rounder for him unless the Rangers include a tier B prospect not in their plans.
Wolski played decently but he doesn't really have much value due to his inconsistency. There's no way the Blues trade a second rounder for him unless the Rangers include a tier B prospect not in their plans.
I really highly doubt that considering a tier b prospect would be worth a 2nd round pick, especially in this weak draft.
Ill be alot of you are the same people who thought Gomez, Kotalik, and Higgins had negative value.. except what happened, they didnt and they got us Gaborik, Mcdonagh and Prust... hmmm i wonder.
Skating him with Stepan and Zuccarello wasn't using him correctly? The reason he found himself on the bottom 2 lines later in the season was because he struggled... The chicken didn't come before the egg... He found himself in that position because he struggled. 1 goal over the final 18 games of the season. 5 goals and 12 points through his first 18 games, 1 goal and 7 points through his final 18 games.... Torts is not going to leave a player who's struggling or not playing well defensively on any particular line, that's not how he runs his bench. He demotes & promotes players through the line-up as their play dictates.
Yes and for those games with Stepan and Zucca he played well and scored.. What happened when stepan slowed down and zucca was sent down to hartford? It wasnt Wolski's fault that when his linemates changed so did his game. Ill gladly take a guy who can get 12pts in 18games. Yes he is a streaky player but with the right linemates the guy can produce and has shown that with his 50pt seasons he had.
I love torts for being able to hold players accountable for their play, but once wolski was off that line, he should have been given a chance with gaborik to see if he was worth keeping around. Not put on a line with EC and Avery.
While i agree that he isnt worth alot, he still has value, and asking for a 2nd round pick for a 25yo 50pt player really is fair value.
Yes and for those games with Stepan and Zucca he played well and scored.. What happened when stepan slowed down and zucca was sent down to hartford? It wasnt Wolski's fault that when his linemates changed so did his game. Ill gladly take a guy who can get 12pts in 18games. Yes he is a streaky player but with the right linemates the guy can produce and has shown that with his 50pt seasons he had.
I love torts for being able to hold players accountable for their play, but once wolski was off that line, he should have been given a chance with gaborik to see if he was worth keeping around. Not put on a line with EC and Avery.
Yeah but the issue is that Gaborik isn't very responsible defensively either so Torts is understandably reluctant to put 2 struggling forwards who aren't strong defensively together and give them much even strength playing time.
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While i agree that he isnt worth alot, he still has value, and asking for a 2nd round pick for a 25yo 50pt player really is fair value.
I concur he has value. My problem is that it's relative to his cap hit, and if he doesn't start playing more consistent hockey, there's little reason to justify retaining him beyond next season given his price tag.
Yeah but the issue is that Gaborik isn't very responsible defensively either so Torts is understandably reluctant to put 2 struggling forwards who aren't strong defensively together and give them much even strength playing time.
I concur he has value. My problem is that it's relative to his cap hit, and if he doesn't start playing more consistent hockey, there's little reason to justify retaining him beyond next season given his price tag.
Yes thats true but sometimes you have to put them together, to try and see if they mesh well and put a defensively responsible forward in between them.
Who cares about next season, its about this season since hes only signed for 1 more year. Its an experiment worthy of a 2nd round pick, since the year he becomes a free agent they get Perron back and Taresenko should be coming to america.
Idk why everyone is making a big deal about Wolski's caphit, yes its 3.8m but for 1 more fricken year. Plus they can always trade him to say the Pens or something to play with Crosby towards the deadline and get their 2nd round pick back in a better draft.
Yes thats true but sometimes you have to put them together, to try and see if they mesh well and put a defensively responsible forward in between them.
Who cares about next season, its about this season since hes only signed for 1 more year. Its an experiment worthy of a 2nd round pick, since the year he becomes a free agent they get Perron back and Taresenko should be coming to america.
By 'next season' (since I consider this season still active with the PlayOffs going on), I'm talking about 2011-2012, so we're talking about the same season.
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Idk why everyone is making a big deal about Wolski's caphit, yes its 3.8m but for 1 more fricken year. Plus they can always trade him to say the Pens or something to play with Crosby towards the deadline and get their 2nd round pick back in a better draft.
I agree it's not an issue for this upcoming season right now. However, if we're talking about retaining Wolski beyond next season, he's already making the type of salary that we're contemplating giving Dubinsky & Callahan for their new contracts. No doubt Dubi & Cally are already significantly more valuable to the team than what Wolski has shown us he can contribute, so it's a little tough to swallow keeping the guy around at nearly $4 mil cap hit on a new contract. He would have to put up closer to 60 points next/this season for me to see any value in retaining him at that price tag on a new deal.
