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05-25-2011, 03:16 PM
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San Jose Sharks

What do the Sharks do now?

After banking a lot on this season -- their season to make it to and possibly win the Stanley Cup -- they lost, as we know, in 5 games to the Canucks. Now, this may be due to the Red Wings series, but nonetheless, they got ousted rather quickly in the conference final.

What happens in San Jose? Are players traded? To where? Will we see a huge shake-up (one of Thornton, Boyle, Marleau, Pavelski, Heatley traded)? Is McLellan gone? Is the value of the top players the same as before?

Or is this just going to be shrugged off, as another "learning year"?

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05-25-2011, 03:19 PM
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What do the Sharks do now?

After banking a lot on this season -- their season to make it to and possibly win the Stanley Cup -- they lost, as we know, in 5 games to the Canucks. Now, this may be due to the Red Wings series, but nonetheless, they got ousted rather quickly in the conference final.

What happens in San Jose? Are players traded? To where? Will we see a huge shake-up (one of Thornton, Boyle, Marleau, Pavelski, Heatley traded)? Is McLellan gone? Is the value of the top players the same as before?

Or is this just going to be shrugged off, as another "learning year"?
They should try to move Heatley to the L.A. Kings or another team looking for a top winger. I know Heatley had a bad season but some Gms still value him alot.

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05-25-2011, 03:24 PM
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They made it to the Conference finals in the second year in a row. They've got the core locked up for the next 3 years. They just need to stay patient and trust that they get the reward and win the Stanley Cup in the upcoming years.

So I don't think they need to do anything drastic. They're on the right course.

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yeah being the 4th best team in the league is pretty good, you cant really make major shakeups without hurting what IS working, and you have a lot farther to fall then you have to go up, just keep going at it you might break through, being 1st is tough, and if you think about it winning once every 30 years is a "fair share"

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this wasnt their year. nothing major happens. we get a good top 4 dman and a fast and gritty top 9 fwd and done. only trades likely to be nitty and mitchell

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They should try to move Heatley to the L.A. Kings or another team looking for a top winger. I know Heatley had a bad season but some Gms still value him alot.
Really? This isn't his first bad season by 7.5 million dollar standards - and certainly not his first bad playoffs. Plus, he has a NMC and has a list of 8 teams or something. Of those 8 teams there are GMs that value that kind of albatross? LA is GMed by Dean Lombardi, he's not acquiring Dany Heatley, you can count on that, especially not when he has 3 more years to go and is clearly declining.

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yeah being the 4th best team in the league is pretty good, you cant really make major shakeups without hurting what IS working, and you have a lot farther to fall then you have to go up, just keep going at it you might break through, being 1st is tough, and if you think about it winning once every 30 years is a "fair share"
Based on regular season record (between the teams losing in the Conference Finals) Sharks have been 3rd best team in the league the past two seasons.

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Sharks aren't going to do much. All their top players have clauses. Their 2nd line players are not worth trading as they won't get better by doing so. They can re-sign Ian White, Devin Setoguchi, and Kyle Wellwood to maintain their lineup from before. They can make a splash on their blue line by letting White go but unless a trade pops up at the draft, that's unlikely to occur. Trade Niittymaki for a cheaper backup and give it another shot.

If Bieksa and Ehrhoff leave Vancouver, they will be worse even with Ballard and Tanev as every day guys. Detroit gets worse especially if Lidstrom retires after Rafalski just did. The only team that has a significant chance to improve in a noticeable fashion is Chicago.

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I can see them going after a PMD on the market.. or trading for one.

Do the Sharks need a stay-at-home dman?

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Based on regular season record (between the teams losing in the Conference Finals) Sharks have been 3rd best team in the league the past two seasons.
Its the same old song and dance in San Jose. They are too top heavy with talent, lack the nessecary scoring depth and lack the shut down defenseman and overall depth on D.
A very talented team that looks to be turning the corner from the lackluster playoff performers they once were to really being competitive throughtout the playoffs.

Removing Dany Heatley's cap hit and filling out the Top 4 Dman and a better shut down forward and the Sharks are pushing Game's 6 n 7 against Vancouver.
Very silimar to what Vancouver did last summer, a simple retooling and spreading the cap space around a bit better.

Heatley n Nitty take up near 10 million in cap space, that's a 5 million dollar Dman, and 2 2.5 million dollar forwards.

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Really depends on how much Boyle, Demers and Braun play. That's 3 pmd's right there without White. So who knows.

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I would move Danny Boy for some bottom-6 help (big, tough to play against PKers) and try to improve the defensive core.

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Regarding defense, I am very, very comfortable with a Demers-Vlasic as the 2nd pairing, and Boyle, Murray, and Braun taking up the 1, 4, and 5. I'd love to grab a guy that pushed Murray and Braun down to the third pairing, but not sure how realistic that is. White was great for us, but at four times the cost of Braun, I am not sure it is for it.

We need a two-way guy. Brent Burns is the dream, but I doubt he'll be available at all, at least not until the deadline. We need a player with size, skating ability, play on the pk, have defensive ability and a nice first pass. Point shot and physicality would be a bonus, but are not critical. Ironically, I think Justin Braun and Taylor Doherty will fit the bill in 3 or 4 years, but aren't ready for that role yet.

Jan Hejda may also be a good fit.

Any chance Minnesota accepts Heatley+Vlasic/Murray/Braun/Doherty+1st for Burns? Any chance Heatley accepts?

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Maybe bring in a different dman.

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Regarding defense, I am very, very comfortable with a Demers-Vlasic as the 2nd pairing, and Boyle, Murray, and Braun taking up the 1, 4, and 5. I'd love to grab a guy that pushed Murray and Braun down to the third pairing, but not sure how realistic that is. White was great for us, but at four times the cost of Braun, I am not sure it is for it.

We need a two-way guy. Brent Burns is the dream, but I doubt he'll be available at all, at least not until the deadline. We need a player with size, skating ability, play on the pk, have defensive ability and a nice first pass. Point shot and physicality would be a bonus, but are not critical. Ironically, I think Justin Braun and Taylor Doherty will fit the bill in 3 or 4 years, but aren't ready for that role yet.

Jan Hejda may also be a good fit.

Any chance Minnesota accepts Heatley+Vlasic/Murray/Braun/Doherty+1st for Burns? Any chance Heatley accepts?
Would you want White or Salvador?

Before you rank on me for offering the injured Salvador, chances are he will either play healthy or retire. You can trade for him, and if he plays, you've got a great defensive defenseman with solid offensive ability, but if he retires, his cap is gone.

So.. would you want White or Sal?

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Next year should be better, going to have to tool around with the blue line. Demers was needed in the WCF, and was hurt. Braun wasn't played (understood why), but he'll probably play #5/6 next year and most SJ fans think that'll be a good thing. Boyle, Vlassic, Murray are all back, Demers back in top 4.

Not sure what they do with White. Probably not resigning him, as the cost for the player isn't there. If someone else out there wants to pay him 3.5+ I say let them.

I'd like to make a push for Pitkanen, but we'll see...

Injuries hurt. The LA series was real physical, and Detroit's was too. Clowe getting hurt at the very end of the season did not bode well, he was the most consistent player in a Sharks sweater all year. McLellan probably should have mixed up the lines sooner in the WCF but oh well, what's done is done.

In an ideal world you want to shed one of the big contracts, and it wouldn't be Thornton or Boyle. Heatley is the one that makes sense, but I just don't see it happening.

Probably time to part ways with Nichol, and a host of other bottom 9. Sharks need a PK specialist big time though.

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Lots of mileage on their stars, best thing would be to bring in the perfect fit on D. Bieksa would be really good for them IMO. Who knows, maybe they offer sheet Yandle.

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Would you want White or Salvador?

Before you rank on me for offering the injured Salvador, chances are he will either play healthy or retire. You can trade for him, and if he plays, you've got a great defensive defenseman with solid offensive ability, but if he retires, his cap is gone.

So.. would you want White or Sal?
Neither.

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shrug it off. get better, get deeper, get faster. improve the defense. our GM is a copy cat, so i wouldnt be surprised to see Ehrhoff, Bieska, or Ballard on SJ next year.

try to move Heatley. sign some mobile, two-way defenseman. 3rd and 4th liners need some tweaks.


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They need to get rid of Marleau and Heatley. They can't be trusted to perform in the playoffs. Both have huge value in a trade, you could easily get a

1st pairing D Man

Top Sniper/Playmaker

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I had long-winded thing about the Sharks all typed out, but lost it when my comp kinda timed out. The long and the short of it was that Boston really turned a corner this year with the full-time addition of Dennis Seidenberg to help out Zdeno Chara. What San Jose really needs, IMO, is a Seidenberg-type to help out Danny Boyle. The player I think they should target this summer is Jonathan Ericsson because I believe that they could afford him and he might be ready for a bigger role. It's a gamble, though.

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Personally, I think it's crucial that San Jose moves a forward, as they just have too much invested up front. Heatley is the easiest target, maybe he could be moved to a team like LA? If a Heatley for JJ swap could get done, this would really help San Jose next season. Sign a guy like Reasoner, and move Pavelski up to the 2nd line. Then, throw a bit of an over payment at Bieksa to lure him in. I think him and JJ would look great together. Upgrade your depth players a bit as needed.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.100m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Marty Reasoner ($2.000m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.660m) / Michael Rupp ($0.800m) / Aaron Asham ($0.800m)
Ryan Shannon ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Kevin Bieksa ($5.000m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Jason Labarbra ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,642,001; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,357,999

What do people think of that line-up? Personally, I think it's more effective. You're very solid on the back end and you don't give up a ton of offense. If you can lure a guy in like Reasoner for a fair price then Pavelski could move up and cover for the loss of a forward.

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Personally, I think it's crucial that San Jose moves a forward, as they just have too much invested up front. Heatley is the easiest target, maybe he could be moved to a team like LA? If a Heatley for JJ swap could get done, this would really help San Jose next season. Sign a guy like Reasoner, and move Pavelski up to the 2nd line. Then, throw a bit of an over payment at Bieksa to lure him in. I think him and JJ would look great together. Upgrade your depth players a bit as needed.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.100m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Marty Reasoner ($2.000m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.660m) / Michael Rupp ($0.800m) / Aaron Asham ($0.800m)
Ryan Shannon ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Kevin Bieksa ($5.000m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Jason Labarbra ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,642,001; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,357,999

What do people think of that line-up? Personally, I think it's more effective. You're very solid on the back end and you don't give up a ton of offense. If you can lure a guy in like Reasoner for a fair price then Pavelski could move up and cover for the loss of a forward.
I don't think LA fans will like Heatley for JJ swap.

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Beef up their bottom 6 which is horrendoes, they were invincible the whole playoffs.
And get at least 1 top 4 dman, 2 would be better and have some amazing depth on D just like Vancouver.

I think they are in the same position as Vancouver last season, get better quality role players for bottom 6 and not just have a 7.5M sniper taking up that spot doing nothing at all and get some D other than Boyle, Murray and White.

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I don't think LA fans will like Heatley for JJ swap.
i'm drooling at the thought of JMFJ on SJ. too bad it wont happen..

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