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05-29-2011, 11:23 AM
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I'm not arguing that it isn't true, I'm arguing for the exceptions.
The exceptions are guys that have shown exceptionally above average skill on the defensive side of the puck. Guys like that are very, very uncommon, when you consider the percentage of all defenseman who are that good at just defense. I would say there are less than 5% of defensemen who are that good at just defense to warrant salaries of over 3 million.

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Offensive defensemen are rarer than defensive guys. They get more money because of supply and demand, not because they are neccrsarily better. And if you're really talking the best of the best, Chara isn't inept with the puck, but isn't exactly the biggest point producer.

And of course, 2011 isn't all of hockey history....

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05-29-2011, 11:52 AM
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Offensive defensemen are rarer than defensive guys. They get more money because of supply and demand, not because they are neccrsarily better. And if you're really talking the best of the best, Chara isn't inept with the puck, but isn't exactly the biggest point producer.

And of course, 2011 isn't all of hockey history....
I would say, at the very top end of hockey, guys that are "two-way" or purely offensive machines are more common than the truly elite defensive specialists. Just how many Volchenkovs do you think there are?

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I would say, at the very top end of hockey, guys that are "two-way" or purely offensive machines are more common than the truly elite defensive specialists. Just how many Volchenkovs do you think there are?
Look at the defensemen earning more than $3.000.000, how many of them are above average offensively and how many are above average defensively?

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I would say, at the very top end of hockey, guys that are "two-way" or purely offensive machines are more common than the truly elite defensive specialists. Just how many Volchenkovs do you think there are?
there are more Volchenkovs than Mike Greens.

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there are more Volchenkovs than Mike Greens.
I wasn't talking about ONLY the Mike Greens..

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there are more Volchenkovs than Mike Greens.
There's 1 of each actually

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There's 1 of each actually

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Lol....


I guess TDMM was wrong. There are twice as many Mike Greens as Anton Volchenkovs

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It's funny the directions some threads end up going in.

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You are talking about real life, though. The ATD is going to be more difficult.


Hey Man if Rick Macleish was a one man wrecking crew then Rick Nash Should be more then able to hold his own..

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It all comes down to this, the largest All Time Draft in it's history, comes to an end with a historic battle between the Red Fisher Conference Champions - The Regina Pats and the Jim Coleman Conference Finalists - The Ottawa Senators.

A battle of two well-constructed teams would be one for the ages, and the icing on the cake for a very memorable All Time Draft.

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05-30-2011, 09:00 PM
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JAGR, SENS TAKE GAME 1



The crowd is electric in game one. The Sens and the Pats begin the triumph for the Milt Dunnell Cup. Jaromir Jagr starts things off with a power play goal in the first. It's not too long before Camille Henry adds another man advantage marker. Mark Messier would keep things in place with an early second period goal, but Jagr opens the game up a little further in the third with another goal. He'll cap off the night with an empty net goal, completing his second hat-trick of the postseason.

Ottawa wins 4-1. Lead best-of-7 series 1-0

PATS FIRST LINE STRIKES BACK IN GAME 2



After a disappointing Game One, Fred Shero works his players in practice and makes them work for every inch. They come out strong in the first, controlling the play. They can only get one goal past Curtis Joseph in the first, and it's Johnny Bucyk with a slapshot that finds the top corner. Messier scores a goal on the power play, and Tony Esposito plays strong in net. Mike Modano would score in the third, but Jack Adams would add one shortly after, and the Pats would hold on.

Regina wins 3-1. Best-of-7 series tied 1-1

TONY OH MY GOD



Tony Esposito makes a statement in Game Three, stopping a relentless Senators power play with numerous chances. 21 first period saves has the Pats feeling like they need to do more for their star goaltender. Teemu Selanne scores a quick release shot from the slot to put the Pats up 1-0. Messier would tally in the second, and the Sens have no answer for Tony O. He stops 55 saves all together.

Regina wins 2-0. Lead best-of-7 series 2-1

PATS PUSH SENS TO THE BRINK



Selanne scores early, but the Sens don't panic yet. Jagr calms the waters with a late first period goal. Chris Pronger chips in on the power play, and Dan Bain also scores to put the Sens up by 2. Selanne would continue his clutch productivity and score again. While King Clancy's rocket from the point would find it's way to the back of the net, while Messier stands still in front of Joseph. A late goal by Buyck puts the Pats ahead, and Messier scores into the empty net and the Pats return home with a commanding 3-1 series lead.

Regina wins 5-3. Lead best-of-7 series 3-1

SEN-SATIONAL



With their season, and the championship on the line. The Sens come out of the gates flying, two quick goals by Modano and Jagr silence the crowd. Doug Bentley adds his first of the final in the second. Messier's line has trouble dealing with Pronger and Gerard. The Pats don't come up with much, but Adams will score a third period goal and that would be it as CuJo shuts the door on the Pats, sending it back to the nation's capital for Game 6.

Ottawa wins 3-1. Regina leads best-of-7 series 3-2

THE SUN WILL SHINE TOMORROW



A pre-game interview with defenseman Chris Pronger tells us that the Pats should watch out for the physical storm the Senators are about to bring. He wasn't kidding. Pronger and Eddie Gerard shut down Mark Messier's line again. Pronger adds a first period goal and the Scotiabank Centre is on wheels tonight. Jagr coasts down the left side and gets around Clancy to score a huge momentum shifting goal. Messier and Bucyk finally break loose from the defensive trap and score a goal to make it 2-1 with a few minutes remaining. A late Clancy penalty leads to a Henrik Zetterberg goal and we're headed to Game Seven.

Ottawa wins 3-1. Best-of-7 series tied 3-3

FOR ALL THE MARBLES

Both teams buckle down defensively, a scoreless first period includes a lot of physicality. Clancy and Mel Bridgman attacking Sens forwards, while Pronger and Gerard retaliate with punishing hits. Jagr is the first to find the twine in the second period, a feed from Zetterberg on the PP leads to a screen shot by #66. Mark Messier splits through the defenders and ties the game late in the second. In the final twenty minutes, havoc breaks out. King Clancy fights Chris Pronger, Eddie Gerard and Wayne Cashman square off and many offsetting penalties are called. No misconducts are handed out, but on a bad change by the Sens, Teemu Selanne streaks down the ice and scores a goal that beats Curtis Joseph short side. Messier adds his second goal of the game, and the Pats have to defend the lead for two minutes. Modano scores with 27 seconds remaining, and with the net pulled. The Sens come up short, and the Regina Pats hang on for the monumental victory in Game Seven, becoming the new Milt Dunnell Cup Champions.

MESS LEADS PATS TO PROMISED LAND



Congratulations to the Regina Pats and seventieslord for constructing a fantastic team, as well to the Ottawa Senators and overpass for also assembling a contending roster who put up a great fight to win it all.

Regina Pats defeat Ottawa Senators in 7 games, to win the 2011 Milt Dunnell Cup

3 STARS:
1. Mark Messier, REG
2. Jaromir Jagr, OTT
3. Teemu Selanne, REG

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05-30-2011, 09:03 PM
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Lost to the champions yet again.. too bad.. congrats to seventies for finally winning one of these, and congrats to overpass for going to the finals. Great job everyone!

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05-30-2011, 09:07 PM
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Congratulations! Messier and Selanne appear to have been the difference!

I recall Iginla and Selanne were the last of the superstar right wingers drafted, a real good value at their draft position. It helped obviously, given Teemu was one of the series stars.

If you had told me before that a team with Turgeon as 2nd line pivot and Esposito as playoff starter was going to win a 40-team draft I would have said no way. But here it is!

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05-30-2011, 09:09 PM
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Congratulations! Messier and Selanne appear to have been the difference!
And rightfully so.. I think I'm on the Selanne for top-100 bandwagon.

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05-30-2011, 09:25 PM
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seventies, it's great to see you win after your years of dominance in the minor leagues.

Congratulations to overpass as well for his wonderful playoff run in a very close league.

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05-30-2011, 10:17 PM
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Congratulations, 70s, on a well-deserved win! Both for a great edition of the Regina Pats, and for your contributions to the ATD.

It would have been nice to win, but I had a good run and can't complain.

Great job with the writeup, Velociraptor.

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05-30-2011, 10:53 PM
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It would have been nice to win, but I had a good run and can't complain.
You did win! You were a divisional winner and a conference champion. A 20-team conference is almost equivalent to a past ATD all by itself! Yours is a winning line-up.

Gerard-Pronger, the G-M-P 2nd line, Bain and Peplinski in bottom-6 roles, Dzurilla as backup, only lacking a bonafide number one center, though building a line around wingers Jagr and Bentley ought to make up for it. A memorable team.

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05-30-2011, 11:57 PM
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I just had my wife read game 7 to me... I just couldn't do it! Thank you for the writeups, Velociraptor, you had me sweating. Thank you to the voters for putting me through.

*phew* - it is finally over! This is the first series where I went into the voting thinking I had less than an even chance. Overpass, I thought you did very well. We kept it fair and reasonable and what a good series it turned out to be. It could have gone either way.

Three seven-game series wins out of five! - I was worried we'd be out of gas. I guess Messier just wouldn't let the team lose. I sometimes wondered whether I pimped his playoff dominance as much as I should, but I guess you guys respect it a lot already. One day I'll go look at all these writeups and check his stats for these playoffs - the guy must have had about 25 goals in these 32 games!

Biggest achievements for me in the draft? I think I managed to get Tony Esposito, Wade Redden and Pierre Turgeon some well-deserved "begrudging respect", even if some will never like them (and it's not like I really "like" them much myself, either!) I also made a point of not "hiding" a single thing about any player. I was very forthcoming with their weaknesses and worked them effectively into my lineup. This includes times I was searching for quotes in books and newspapers. I entered what I found; I didn't cherrypick. I hope I set a good example going forward.

Heading in, I didn't think I had much chance - I foresaw the usual 2nd-3rd place finish and one, maybe two series wins. With this being the first ATD of my little girl's life, I just couldn't see me giving the draft the effort I would have to, to be successful. I am personally proud that I survived an extremely busy Q1 at work, getting all my tasks done and keeping my team performing highly, while still being a good husband and father at home, and excelling in the draft. What didn't I do? SLEEP! There were a few weeks where family, work and ATD caused me to average about 4 hours a night. But I kept it all together and spent A LOT of money on espressos and lattes. I am looking forward to a little bit of a break here. So I thank the Good Earth coffee shop next to my place of work for this victory, as well as talk-to-text software Dragon Naturally Speaking. No way in hell do I put these bios together and keep up my busy life, without it.

Thanks to everyone who had something to do with keeping the draft running smoothly. This includes the trade committee, anyone who started a draft thread, Velociraptor for taking votes, Stoneberg for helping with the regular season votes, and really everyone who came in here and did some research and made bios, improving the body of knowledge we have on the greats of the past. ATD2011 was a new high in terms of research and I expect it will only get better.

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05-31-2011, 12:09 AM
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Peplinski in bottom-6 roles...
Early in MLD2010 you said "you won't catch me stopping Peplinski, Barnes, Norstrom, K. Jonsson from free falling right through the MLD"

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Heading in, I didn't think I had much chance - I foresaw the usual 2nd-3rd place finish and one, maybe two series wins.
Heh, I felt the same way going into this draft. I basically set out to build some some lines and units that worked really well together, and sacrificed value in some places to do it. After I drafted Pronger where I did, I figured I wasn't going to win, I was just playing for fun. But the team ended up coming together well.

I think your team also worked very well together, with all the roles filled and well-designed units. But you were very consistent in terms of getting good value for your picks, so the Pats were strong all through the lineup*.

*depending on what you think of Turgeon, Redden, and Tony O

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Congrats seventies. Well deserved, it's about time you won.

As far as I'm concerned, seventies has been my favourite to win the draft since he got to pick at the 27 spot, and his first two picks in Messier and Clancy reassured my belief in him. I thought he made out the best out of the first two rounds, and then for a GM like him, it was all downhill from there picking up the BPA's in the later rounds and fitting them into his team structure. I PM'ed him as much after round two, so I guess that makes me an ATD genius.

overpass, you also had a hell of a team, a well deserved congrats to you for making it this far.

Pretty solid draft overall I'd say.

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05-31-2011, 01:37 AM
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To be honest coming into the playoffs I had neither of these two teams particularly high on my list and actually voted against each a few times earlier in the playoffs (for instance I actually thought overpass would struggle with the strength down the middle of chaosrevolver's Nighbor/Schmidt combo) but the further they went the more I realized how good they were, especially your squad 70s. Your arguments, especially inthe Dreakmur series, made me realize how good your team really was, because coming into that series I had his team a pretty decent amount higher on my list. But you argued very convincingly and most importantly fairly and changed my mind. I don't think anyone deserved to win the ATD title more than you.

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Congratulations to both teams and good job velo on the write up.

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