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05-27-2011, 03:48 PM
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He was swerving a bit. Might have been drunk

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I may be wrong

but I would rather have Leino back than many other players suggested. I like Carter and all but if we can get good value for him I think we should give that a shot.Shelley, Versteeg, and Hartnell can go before Carter as well as Carcillo.Id rather have Zherdev than Carcillo at this point

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Versteeg iced my brother last night at work.
Iced him how?

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What I like about Richards is that, at times, he can display game changing efforts, whether it's a timely hit that sets a tone and tilts the ice toward the Flyers or using a Hurculean effort to make a play that ends up in a goal. It seems to me that he used to bring these types of efforts more consistently a few years ago. I also like that he is willing to drop the gloves and defend his teammates and the team's honor, even against bigger guys. Shows a lot of guts. I also like his versatility, being able to play lots of minutes, in all sitautions (PK, PP, ES, 4x4) and on any line. He's an adept passer and shooter.

As captain, well, I like it most when he raises his efforts and leads by example on the ice with strong efforts on every shift and making the smart, simple play. Again, I don't think we've seen that as consistently as in years past. The off ice stuff I can deal with if he's bringing it every night on the ice. I think if Mike gets healthy and matures a bit, finds his game and has fun again, like you said, there's a good chance of him leading the team to something special. I'd love to see it!
So I take your changing your tune, after enough people on here blew all your opinions on removing the Captaincy from Richards, out of the water?

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05-27-2011, 06:28 PM
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Pls stop all the captaincy discussion.

If we get a solid Goaltender and the roster stop to be injured all the time, we will be fine. And all of the Richie haters will cheer for him and the team.

But i have another question.

What is about the flyers medical stuff?

Leighton signed injured, no one tells homer?
Versteeg got traded injured?
Richards donīt take surgery last offseason and not in the early season


Something went wrong here?

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05-27-2011, 06:35 PM
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Seems to be pretty much par for the course for Flyers training staff.

But hey...they have a slushee machine!

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Pls stop all the captaincy discussion.

If we get a solid Goaltender and the roster stop to be injured all the time, we will be fine. And all of the Richie haters will cheer for him and the team.

But i have another question.

What is about the flyers medical stuff?

Leighton signed injured, no one tells homer?
Versteeg got traded injured?
Richards donīt take surgery last offseason and not in the early season


Something went wrong here?
I just shook up my magic 8 ball full of homerisms and it said, "Who the heck knows?" I'm betting this means that nothing will happen on that front.

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05-27-2011, 07:32 PM
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Seems to be pretty much par for the course for Flyers training staff.

But hey...they have a slushee machine!
In defense of the training staff, they can only present options when a player is injured. They can't make decisions for the players on what course of action to take, only help them as best they can when the player makes that decision. I would think that McCrossin gets frustrated by some choices also.

Also, McCrossin consults regularly with Holmgren, so what he knows and what he thinks Holmgren also knows.

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Pls stop all the captaincy discussion.

If we get a solid Goaltender and the roster stop to be injured all the time, we will be fine. And all of the Richie haters will cheer for him and the team.

But i have another question.

What is about the flyers medical stuff?

Leighton signed injured, no one tells homer?
Versteeg got traded injured?
Richards donīt take surgery last offseason and not in the early season


Something went wrong here?
Was Versteeg injured when he got here?

With Richie I think they didn't expect he could make it worse. I think he said that in the interview with Gormley.

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05-27-2011, 08:51 PM
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With Richie I think they didn't expect he could make it worse. I think he said that in the interview with Gormley.
Why the hell should he take a risk. It starts before the Blackhawks Series. So why donīt do surgery and be sure???!! Donīt get it!!


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So with the whole Rafalski situation, it's gotten me thinking about the rest of Kimmo's career. It actually wouldn't be the worst thing if he retired next year, as much as I love the guy. Few quality UFA Defensemen on the market next offseason (Brent Burns, Ryan Suter) and a bunch of RFA's (Hedman, Johnson, Kulikov, Myers, Franson). 2013, if that's when Kimmo calls it a career, features a couple good UFA's (Enstrom and Edler) and (probably) good RFA's in OEL, Pietrangelo, Ellis, and Fowler.

So I actually am not too worried about our time after Kimmo anymore. Let's make it easier and just win a Cup next year for him!

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05-27-2011, 10:18 PM
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Iced him how?
I haven't seen him yet to get the story...I got a text last night as I was on my way to the shore.

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Why the hell should he take a risk. It starts before the Blackhawks Series. So why donīt do surgery and be sure???!! Donīt get it!!
He didn't need surgery at first, the quote is below:

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Q: Did it happen in training camp?
A: It started bothering me a little bit last year and the doctors and trainers and I thought it would get better over the summertime, which it did. I re-aggravated it again in training camp. Looking back I wish I would have gotten it done right away, but we didn’t do that and it probably affected me a little bit in the end.

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Why the hell should he take a risk. It starts before the Blackhawks Series. So why donīt do surgery and be sure???!! Donīt get it!!
You talk about surgery like its a trip to the grocery store.

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Why don't we try this from another angle. GhostofDownie, Charliegirle etc., can you please tell me in your view, what are Richards' shortcomings/deficiencies as Captain and/or player on the Flyers?
The angle you need to try from is admitting that the opinion you have on Richards as Captain has been formed from speculation and fantasy.

You name Briere as the player that should be Captain, based on an article you read where Briere gave a speech between periods. As if in an NHL locker room, only the Captain should be doing that. And that no one else in the leadership group should be doing so. Which I guess in your mind means that during the course of an entire Season, Richards never tried to rally and motivate the team, based on one article. Pretty weak.

And also that Richards has taken part in questionable off ice activities, such as being in a picture with a known porn star, then when someone posts a picture of Briere, with the same porn star, you gloss over it instead of realizing how wrong you are. Also pretty weak.


The bottom line is that you have produced zero legitimate evidence to back up your opinion that Richards should be replaced as Captain.

Kudos to those such as Charliegirl and GhostofDownie who have elequently used the facts to prove how silly that opinion is.

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05-28-2011, 08:13 PM
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I was speaking with the Superfan, I'm sure most locals know him, but he's claiming that the rumors are really strengthening about Bryz coming here and he's apparently at the top of the agenda.

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So what happens with Bob if Bryz comes in here?

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So what happens with Bob if Bryz comes in here?
Bob becomes the Flyers Schneider. He plays a year or two in the minors then comes up as back up in the 3rd year of Bryz contract to be used as a piece in a trade or take over for and Bryz contract is moved. Not a bad situation.

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Bob becomes the Flyers Schneider. He plays a year or two in the minors then comes up as back up in the 3rd year of Bryz contract to be used as a piece in a trade or take over for and Bryz contract is moved. Not a bad situation.
It's very doubtful that Bobrovsky plays in the AHL.

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Here's the complete answer to all of our troubles: trade Richards for Luongo, who can be the Flyers' starting goaltender and their captain.

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The angle you need to try from is admitting that the opinion you have on Richards as Captain has been formed from speculation and fantasy.

You name Briere as the player that should be Captain, based on an article you read where Briere gave a speech between periods. As if in an NHL locker room, only the Captain should be doing that. And that no one else in the leadership group should be doing so. Which I guess in your mind means that during the course of an entire Season, Richards never tried to rally and motivate the team, based on one article. Pretty weak.

And also that Richards has taken part in questionable off ice activities, such as being in a picture with a known porn star, then when someone posts a picture of Briere, with the same porn star, you gloss over it instead of realizing how wrong you are. Also pretty weak.


The bottom line is that you have produced zero legitimate evidence to back up your opinion that Richards should be replaced as Captain.

Kudos to those such as Charliegirl and GhostofDownie who have elequently used the facts to prove how silly that opinion is.
Uh, yeah, I mentioned about 12 different things in my comparison of Richards and Briere, but you're doing the very thing you claim I am doing, you focus on the porn star pic and "gloss over" most of the other things I brought up, like Briere being the NHL's leading playoff producer since the lockout, Briere setting a good example with his off season fitness routine, while reportedly Richie shows up in questionable shape to training camps, hoping to work himself back into shape, Briere also shows his character with his charity work (Briere Bunch), whereas Richards??? Briere has confidence and ease in communicating with the media and seemingly with his team, where Holmgren's "quiet kid" has obviously had some difficulties in his communications with the press/media, which has been a distraction at times. Briere is also more experienced and has been through a lot of the hard lessons a player/captain learns as he matures in the NHL. Richards, by his own admission, seems to have to learn how to handle a multitude of things better. I think most will admit that Richards on ice performance has been inconsistent the past couple of seasons, seemingly disappearing at times. Those signature relentless efforts we were starting to get used to from him a few seasons ago seems to be growing fewer and further between. Meanwhile Briere has been more consistent and maintained his production and raised his game substantially in the playoffs when it counts most ( for example Briere's 12 pts/+5 against Chicago in the finals last season, vs Richards' 2 pts -7). Yeah, I cited a case where Briere spoke up and inspired the team to a comeback victory over Buffalo in game 6, he also has a similar will and determination last season when their backs were against the wall and he came up huge. Sure the team comes out and supports Richards in the press, as they should, but here's some recent candid quotes from Flyer players that seem to indicate all is not well in the room:

"We were getting away with things in Game 63 of the season that would have never flown in Game 3 of the season," one Flyer said yesterday, preferring to speak anonymously. "The whole time, we were all kind of waiting for someone to point the finger and snap out of our funk. It never came. Not from anyone in the locker room, not from the coach, not from management."

“That’s what pisses me off the most,” Timonen wrote on his blog as translated by BroadStreetHockey.com’s Teemu H. “We weren’t even close. There was no effort, which I find unbelievable."

"I’m really excited, and obviously there are other guys, maybe had a season where they’d like to be a little better, so maybe they will work a little extra hard in the summer time, and come back to make a statement next year."



The bottom line is, even if one concedes that some of the knocks on Richards may be based on speculation and mere assumption, there's still enough real evidence to cause concern. The guy who wears the C, like it or not, bears a greater resonsibility for a team's performance than other players. Given the team's repeated periods of struggle (poor play down the stretch past two seasons etc.), despite it's considerble talent, it's logical to question Richards performance in that role as captain for the Flyers; thus, it's not unreasonable to consider the idea that some of the other players on the team could possibly do better in that role. You can disagree with this, and I gather, you will, but is seems many others have a different view than you, and it's not up to you to determine that this view is any less legitimate than your own.


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So I take your changing your tune, after enough people on here blew all your opinions on removing the Captaincy from Richards, out of the water?
In that post I was responding to a question asking what I liked about Richards as a player/as captain. I layed out some positives and a hopeful message, but I still have concerns that I feel are valid. While I would still favor moving the c, realistically, I don't see the Flyers doing that and will just have to hope he comes back healthy and with a fresh outlook on the game and his role as captain of the team. In the end, I'm a die hard Flyer fan and have little choice but to accept and have some faith in whatever is decided by the powers that be.

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