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05-27-2011, 04:54 PM
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How come he wasnt playing if like you say he is a better version of pouliot?...the ahl aint really competitive, i have hard time understanding his lack of production.
Never said he was a better version of Pouliot.
He's kinda like Pouliot with a lesser shot but more aggressivity.



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Hes 19, doesn't speak english, and there are no other russians on the team. In one year he has had to adapt to a different culture let alone a different style of hockey. Give him some time and have faith. Not everyone bursts onto the scene with a bang.
My answer would be close to this.
And he did play in 73% of the Dogs' games... That's far from not playing. Of course his ice-time was very limited...

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05-27-2011, 05:02 PM
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I would have Diaz as our no.2 prospect if the age factor didnt matter.. Louis topping the list..

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05-27-2011, 06:11 PM
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Why did you remind me??!!!
How dare you mock the great Lindsay Vallis!


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05-27-2011, 06:41 PM
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Never said he was a better version of Pouliot.
He's kinda like Pouliot with a lesser shot but more aggressivity.





My answer would be close to this.
And he did play in 73% of the Dogs' games... That's far from not playing. Of course his ice-time was very limited...
I don't know a lot about him so any insight would be welcome but I think his experience this season in the AHL was very comparable to that of Eller in the NHL. Like Eller, he oozes with offensive talent but, due to the depth at his position, the organization could afford to take a year and play him in a defensive role in order to develop him into a more rounded player. I could be completely off on this but this was how I read into his situation.

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05-27-2011, 07:01 PM
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I don't know a lot about him so any insight would be welcome but I think his experience this season in the AHL was very comparable to that of Eller in the NHL. Like Eller, he oozes with offensive talent but, due to the depth at his position, the organization could afford to take a year and play him in a defensive role in order to develop him into a more rounded player. I could be completely off on this but this was how I read into his situation.
Fair comparison.
You don't see very many 19 year old's in a full AHL season.
The organization may have thought it was appropriate to take that extra year to get him accustomed to North American pro hockey.

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05-27-2011, 07:10 PM
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I don't know a lot about him so any insight would be welcome but I think his experience this season in the AHL was very comparable to that of Eller in the NHL. Like Eller, he oozes with offensive talent but, due to the depth at his position, the organization could afford to take a year and play him in a defensive role in order to develop him into a more rounded player. I could be completely off on this but this was how I read into his situation.

Andrei Kostitsyn is a good comparison. Same age, and both coming from the russian pro league:

Kostitsyn 2004-05
66 12 11 23

Avtsin 2010-11
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05-27-2011, 07:13 PM
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no love for Schultz ?

1.Danny Kristo
2.Alexandre Avtsin
3.Jarred Tinordi
4.Mac Bennett
5.Brendan Gallagher
6.Michael Bournival
7.Louis Leblanc
8.Aaron Palushaj
9.Ian Schultz
10.Berger

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LOL @ your optimism. If even 3 of those pan out close to your predictions we're very fortunate.
Of course all 10 of these will not pan out and you are right if 3 out of 10 pan out it would be nice. I am justing giving examples of what type of player these guys would be if they panned out.

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05-27-2011, 11:24 PM
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I want to know your favorite prospect for the HABS (under 22). Mine is:

1. Alexander Avtsin
2. Louis Leblanc
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Joonas Nattinen
5. Danny Kristo
6. Aaron Palushaj
7. Maxim Trunev
8. Michael Bournival
9. Gabriel Dumont
10. Brandon Gallagher

HM: A couples in the 2011 Draft ....
How many do we have rated in the top 50

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05-27-2011, 11:37 PM
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How many do we have rated in the top 50
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05-28-2011, 03:27 AM
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Depend's on whose top 50. HF there is none, I've seen a few top 100 lists with Leblanc around 30.

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Max Pacioretty Lars Eller PK Subban Alex Avtsin Louis Leblanc Jarred Tinordi Danny Kristo Mac Bennett Steve Quailer Alain Berger Gabriel Dumont Joonas Naatinen Michael Bournival Aaron Palushaj Olivier Fortier Morgan Ellis These are the order I like the players not necessarily in order of talent.Add Ian Schultz as he could be the next John Ferguson or Chris Nilan for my beloved Habs.


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05-28-2011, 06:58 AM
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Seriously ? People keep saying we have the best young talent that we had in years. I know in 07-08 we were saying the same thing,But I see Price and PK as sure things,Maxpac as a probable depending how he recovers physically AND mentally. Eller,Weber,DD are total crapshoots imo. And according to experts,the non-nhl prospects are that bad ?

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05-28-2011, 07:17 AM
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I want to know your favorite prospect for the HABS (under 22). Mine is:

1. Alexander Avtsin
2. Louis Leblanc
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Joonas Nattinen
5. Danny Kristo
6. Aaron Palushaj
7. Maxim Trunev
8. Michael Bournival
9. Gabriel Dumont
10. Brandon Gallagher

HM: A couples in the 2011 Draft ....
How does Avtsin warrant being ahead of Leblance or Tinordi?

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05-28-2011, 09:34 AM
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1. Lindsay Vallis
2. Terry Ryan
3. Brent Bilodeau
4. David Wilkie
5. Pierre Sevigny
6. Les Kuntar
7. Patrik Carnback
8. Matt Higgins
9. Gregor Baumgartner
10. Ryan Kuwabara

Get excited folks.

LOL... You don't think much of Josť Charbonneau do you?

Leblanc
Kristo
Tinordi
Palushaj
Bournival
Bennet
Avtsin
Gallagher
Dumont
Ellis

P.S. Didn't list the likes of Webber, White or Desharnais since I consider them NHL players now. They'll either make the team or become trade bait (not my preference).


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05-28-2011, 09:55 AM
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I'm not sticking to under 22. I don't think age really means all that much as far as NHL impact goes. Look at a guy like Alexandre Burrows. You just never know.

Anyway, my list;

1. Louis Leblanc
2. Danny Kristo
3. Steve Qualier
4. Michael Bournival
5. Joe Stejskal
6. Brock Trotter
7. Brendan Gallagher
8. Aaron Palushaj
9. Brendan Nash
10. Alexander Avtsin

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Raphael Diaz.
- Have only seen him play against Canada. Looked great, but far too small of a sample size.

Morgan Ellis.
- Like him a lot from what I've seen but have seen very little.

Mathieu Carle
- I still think he can be an NHLer.

Jarred Tinordi
- Seen a lot of him this year. Solid enough, but not even close to sold.

Gabriel Dumout
- Will be a very solid bottom six player as far as I'm concerned.

I also like Bennett, MacMillan, Nattinen, Wyman and Westin. Love Cichy too and think he's due for a big year. Hell, Conboy and Schultz don't even make my top-20.

We may not have the top end talent some teams do in the minors, but I think we have a pretty deep group of guys.

* I counted Pacioretty, Eller, Desharnais, White, Weber, and Engqvist as NHLers. I know Engqvist isn't a full-time NHLer, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's an NHL level player already.


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05-28-2011, 11:08 AM
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The cupboard is far from bare. I think some of you are underrating Tinordi..he's still a few years away but there's good character and good genes. Don't forget his old man didn't really develop into a solid NHLer until he was in his mid 20's. He may take a bit longer than some but he'll play, and fill a vital role - that of a big, physical defender who can clear the crease.

Brandon Saad was supposed to be a star, and he found it to be quite a step up from the USNTDP team to the OHL...the same thing happened to Tinordi. I expect both to be better acclimated next season.


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05-28-2011, 11:28 AM
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Hes 19, doesn't speak english, and there are no other russians on the team. In one year he has had to adapt to a different culture let alone a different style of hockey. Give him some time and have faith. Not everyone bursts onto the scene with a bang.
And he needs to fill out his frame. He's a kid playing with men much bigger and stronger. Not too many 19 years old in the AHL.

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05-28-2011, 11:49 AM
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Seriously ? People keep saying we have the best young talent that we had in years. I know in 07-08 we were saying the same thing,But I see Price and PK as sure things,Maxpac as a probable depending how he recovers physically AND mentally. Eller,Weber,DD are total crapshoots imo. And according to experts,the non-nhl prospects are that bad ?
Our young talent in the NHL is pretty good, but the non-nhl prospects are pretty thin compared to the past 5 years. Understandable since we've recently started trading more draft picks and the prospects we've had before are NHLers now. For example our top 20 prospects according to HF from Fall 2008: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2008/

1. (1) Carey Price, G => All-Star NHL Goalie
2. (2) Ryan McDonagh, D => Top 4 D with Rangers
3. (3) Sergei Kostitsyn, LW => 23 goals 50 points with Predators
4. (4) Max Pacioretty, C => Top 6 Forward with Canadiens
5. (5) Ryan O'Byrne, D => Top 4 D with Avalanche
6. (8) Jaroslav Halak, G => NHL Starter
7. (7) Ben Maxwell
8. (8) Kyle Chipchura, C => Fringe player with Ducks
9. (10) P.K. Subban, D => Top pairing D with Canadiens
10. (9) David Fischer, D
11. (12) Matt D'Agostini, RW => 21 goals 46 points with Predators
12. (11) Yannick Weber, D => Depth D with Canadiens
13. (12) Mathieu Carle, D
14. (NR) Danny Kristo, F
15. (14) Alexei Yemelin, D => Penciled in top 6 D with Canadiens
16. (18) Pavel Valentenko, D
17. (NR) Cedrick Desjardins, G
18. (7th MIN) Shawn Belle
19. (15) Brock Trotter, C
20. (16) Ryan White, C => 4th liner with Canadiens

That's 11 or 12 NHLers with Valentenko and Kristo still with a shot to making it.

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05-28-2011, 04:26 PM
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Our young talent in the NHL is pretty good, but the non-nhl prospects are pretty thin compared to the past 5 years. Understandable since we've recently started trading more draft picks and the prospects we've had before are NHLers now. For example our top 20 prospects according to HF from Fall 2008: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2008/

1. (1) Carey Price, G => All-Star NHL Goalie
2. (2) Ryan McDonagh, D => Top 4 D with Rangers
3. (3) Sergei Kostitsyn, LW => 23 goals 50 points with Predators
4. (4) Max Pacioretty, C => Top 6 Forward with Canadiens
5. (5) Ryan O'Byrne, D => Top 4 D with Avalanche
6. (8) Jaroslav Halak, G => NHL Starter
7. (7) Ben Maxwell
8. (8) Kyle Chipchura, C => Fringe player with Ducks
9. (10) P.K. Subban, D => Top pairing D with Canadiens
10. (9) David Fischer, D
11. (12) Matt D'Agostini, RW => 21 goals 46 points with Predators
12. (11) Yannick Weber, D => Depth D with Canadiens
13. (12) Mathieu Carle, D
14. (NR) Danny Kristo, F
15. (14) Alexei Yemelin, D => Penciled in top 6 D with Canadiens
16. (18) Pavel Valentenko, D
17. (NR) Cedrick Desjardins, G
18. (7th MIN) Shawn Belle
19. (15) Brock Trotter, C
20. (16) Ryan White, C => 4th liner with Canadiens

That's 11 or 12 NHLers with Valentenko and Kristo still with a shot to making it.
Decent list,a few of them were in the top 50,unlike now.I think Avtsin could be our top offensive prospect from what I've seen.

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1. Leblanc
2. Kristo
3. Tinordi
4. Avtsin
5. Palushaj
6. Gallagher
7. Bournival
8. Nattinen
9. Bennett
10. Trunev

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Reading these lists makes me realize how depleted our prospect pool is. It's too bad we had to acquire so many dmen this year: paul mara, james wisniewski, brent sopel, etc. It will probably take two years of good drafting to refill the cupboard.

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I've never seen most of them play, but I can fairly assess that Louis Leblanc is our top propsect.

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Watched a couple of these kids and I think Gallagher is at the top of the list with a mix of talent and drive, second to him would probably be Avtsin/or Kristo in terms of offensive contribution and then Leblanc/or Bournival in terms of 2-way all around players.

There's always so much hype surrounding our prospects, but to be honest I'm already penciling in Leblanc as a 3rd or 2nd line center and nothing more. This whole season he was nothing special. Some people say he was playing injured most of the season, but don't forget that a season is 50-60ish games. Hopefully he can step it up and prove my predictions wrong.

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1. Leblanc
2. Bennett
3. Kristo
4. Avtsin
5. Tinordi
6. Palushaj
7. Nattinen
8. Bournival
9. Gallagher
10. Quailer

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