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05-27-2011, 11:29 AM
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Yet another forecast that ignores Buffalo....
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I am in the buy out Drury, keep Wolski and Avery for one more yr then let them walk, sign the RFA's (Dubi, Cally, Boyle, Anisimov, Sauer), let the UFA's walk then all I care about is signing Brad Richards to give them a #1 C and PP specialist. Let the kids continue to fill in other spots.

Should have enough cash with that plan especially with the cap going up likely

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I am in the buy out Drury, keep Wolski and Avery for one more yr then let them walk, sign the RFA's (Dubi, Cally, Boyle, Anisimov, Sauer), let the UFA's walk then all I care about is signing Brad Richards to give them a #1 C and PP specialist. Let the kids continue to fill in other spots.

Should have enough cash with that plan especially with the cap going up likely
I completly agree, and if we have a ton of cash left over after doing all of that, i would then even go after Erhoff or Pitkanen to shore up our defense for a couple of years.

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Im sorry why do you see Richards taking less to go to a team like Dallas, Detroit, or Carolina over the NYR and Toronto?

The Rangers have just as talented of a team as the rest of the teams you mentioned except for detriot at the moment. They have an very young, yet extremley talented blueline, the best goalie in the league, outstanding bottom 6 forwards, with a great 2nd line just 1 1st line player.. Very good young players like Stepan, Anisimov, Dubi, Cally, Mcd, Sauer, and so on.. ALOT of young talent coming into the ranks such as, Krieder, Thomas, Bourque, V-tank, Kundratek, MDZ and many more. So i dont see your argument of why he would sign with those three teams for less than what he would sign with the Rangers or whoever else.
Well, following Richards his whole career, it's pretty clear he'd rather player in a second tier market. He vetoed a trade to Chicago that would have had him in Hossa's place as our big acquisition. He's spoken about how much he loves Dallas and would like to resign there. We've heard rumors about him wanting to team up with Staal in Carolina. We've also heard how much he loved/loves Tampa and would like to go there, but the only way that happens is if Stamkos somehow gets offer sheeted and leaves. So to summarize, he's only played in small hockey markets in the south, he likes playing for small hockey markets in the south. And he vetoed a trade to a large hockey market in the north on the verge of Cup in favor of a small hockey market in the south. Does that mean he will exclude big market teams like NYR and Toronto? I doubt it, but I'd expect him to charge them more. Buffalo, yes, this could happen too, just going off what I've heard so far.

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Brad Richards does not transform the Rangers into a cup contender, but this is the expected move for them to make. And they will make it, and nothing will change.. and than next off-season, we'll do this all over again for the best UFA.

It doesn't work in hockey to bring in the best UFA and throw him in with the team. Brad Richards is not an elite hockey player, and his passing is so overrated it hurts. He won the cup in Tampa, and for a player that is going to be asking for upwards of 8+ on a long term deal, winning a cup 7 years ago on a stacked team thanks to the brilliance of Khabibulin has me worried.

If I was a Rangers fan. But he's the shiny new toy. So carry on.

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It doesn't work in hockey to bring in the best UFA and throw him in with the team. Brad Richards is not an elite hockey player, and his passing is so overrated it hurts. He won the cup in Tampa, and for a player that is going to be asking for upwards of 8+ on a long term deal, winning a cup 7 years ago on a stacked team thanks to the brilliance of Khabibulin has me worried.
The comments about the Rangers can't be denied because of their history in the free agency market.

However, Richards was outstanding in those playoffs and won the Conn Smythe. He also threads the needle as good as anyone in the league and is one of the most dangerous players in the league on the PP because of it. This is a player who nearly missed 70 assists, twice, with two different teams and just did it the year before this one. Look at Gretz' numbers to see how great passers age. They remain pretty productive even when other skills go by the boards. Personally, I think he's the best passer in the league, top 5 at the very worst.

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1 year contracts you'd have to wait until January 1st, or 31st before you can extend them iirc.

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Well, following Richards his whole career, it's pretty clear he'd rather player in a second tier market. He vetoed a trade to Chicago that would have had him in Hossa's place as our big acquisition. He's spoken about how much he loves Dallas and would like to resign there. We've heard rumors about him wanting to team up with Staal in Carolina. We've also heard how much he loved/loves Tampa and would like to go there, but the only way that happens is if Stamkos somehow gets offer sheeted and leaves. So to summarize, he's only played in small hockey markets in the south, he likes playing for small hockey markets in the south. And he vetoed a trade to a large hockey market in the north on the verge of Cup in favor of a small hockey market in the south. Does that mean he will exclude big market teams like NYR and Toronto? I doubt it, but I'd expect him to charge them more. Buffalo, yes, this could happen too, just going off what I've heard so far.
Also supporting your case is that Richards has said that, before signing with anyone, he's going to consult with his family (which, as a bachelor, means his parents and relatives). Considering that Richards is from Prince Edward Island, a small city by itself, it's not a stretch to think that small-town roots may play a factor.

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Also supporting your case is that Richards has said that, before signing with anyone, he's going to consult with his family (which, as a bachelor, means his parents and relatives). Considering that Richards is from Prince Edward Island, a small city by itself, it's not a stretch to think that small-town roots may play a factor.
Blah blah blah, its all ******** until he officially signs somewhere. Where did you hear that? Do you and Coldsteel talk to Brad once in awhile where u guys are on a first name basis? Give me a break already, we've offically heard everything now, from colsteel's analysis of his life to Richards only waiving his NTC to go to the Rangers. Honestly people need to stop talking like they know what hes thinking and what he will sign for and just wait and see.

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Blah blah blah, its all ******** until he officially signs somewhere. Where did you hear that? Do you and Coldsteel talk to Brad once in awhile where u guys are on a first name basis? Give me a break already, we've offically heard everything now, from colsteel's analysis of his life to Richards only waiving his NTC to go to the Rangers. Honestly people need to stop talking like they know what hes thinking and what he will sign for and just wait and see.
No first name basis, in hockey it's about nicknames and when Sabretip and I have had conference calls with Richie to discuss his upcoming free agency, he's never mentioned anything about wanting to play for the Rangers.

Seriously though, six degrees of separation and reliable sources can definitely paint a picture of what is going to happen in the future. Nobody is saying they know him or don't know him or that anything is for sure. We're just trying to get to the cutting edge of information like a lot of diehard fans do.

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I was kinda confused reading this, but the Rangers plan would be to waive Drury some time before July 1st so no need to worry about trying to have a lower cap hit to fit Richards in.

I don't think it's feasible to sign both Richards and Drury unless Richards does sign really cheap, but I don't think they can extend him right away.
Did I fall asleep and miss something? Waiving drury does nothing. He has a NMC, so if hes not claimed he goes no where and that accomplishes nothing.

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Brad Richards does not transform the Rangers into a cup contender, but this is the expected move for them to make. And they will make it, and nothing will change.. and than next off-season, we'll do this all over again for the best UFA.

It doesn't work in hockey to bring in the best UFA and throw him in with the team. Brad Richards is not an elite hockey player, and his passing is so overrated it hurts. He won the cup in Tampa, and for a player that is going to be asking for upwards of 8+ on a long term deal, winning a cup 7 years ago on a stacked team thanks to the brilliance of Khabibulin has me worried.

If I was a Rangers fan. But he's the shiny new toy. So carry on.
Its so funny how a few Rangers fans can change the entire general consensus for the fan base. Not every single Rangers fan wants Richards here, believe me there are alot that do not. Not every single Rangers fan who wants him here assumes he will automatically sign with us.

I don't want Richards. Didn't want Drury or Gomez. NO one wanted Wade Redden.

People still talk about the Rangers like they are the team of 10 years ago. If that was the case, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Mcdonagh, Sauer, Del Zotto, Anisimov would all be on some team not named the New York Rangers.

The Rangers will always be a talked about as a destination for big name free agents simply because of the deep pockets of the club, not necessarily because (insert free agent name) is actually wanted here or wants to be here. Times have changed, and so have the Rangers. People need to understand that. Just because we do still make free agent signings like every other team doesn't mean we are run the same way as 10 years ago. Its getting very old.

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No first name basis, in hockey it's about nicknames and when Sabretip and I have had conference calls with Richie to discuss his upcoming free agency, he's never mentioned anything about wanting to play for the Rangers.

Seriously though, six degrees of separation and reliable sources can definitely paint a picture of what is going to happen in the future. Nobody is saying they know him or don't know him or that anything is for sure. We're just trying to get to the cutting edge of information like a lot of diehard fans do.
True, just like i call up lundqvist all the time and we have jam sessions once a month together and he gives me the info on everything going on haha..

I completly understand what your saying and so do i just like we all are die hard fans, i know your just speculating but its just ridiculous for all of us to go into the he said she said crap because its all bull till he signs on someones dotted line ha.. You guys say one thing bc u heard hes from a small town and doesnt want to play in big markets, but then again at the tradedeadline everyone read and heard that Richards only wanted to waive his NTC to go to the Rangers..

its to early to tell, and honestly id love to have him on the rangers but there are plenty of other ways that we can go about the offseason.

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Its so funny how a few Rangers fans can change the entire general consensus for the fan base. Not every single Rangers fan wants Richards here, believe me there are alot that do not. Not every single Rangers fan who wants him here assumes he will automatically sign with us.

I don't want Richards. Didn't want Drury or Gomez. NO one wanted Wade Redden.

People still talk about the Rangers like they are the team of 10 years ago. If that was the case, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Mcdonagh, Sauer, Del Zotto, Anisimov would all be on some team not named the New York Rangers.

The Rangers will always be a talked about as a destination for big name free agents simply because of the deep pockets of the club, not necessarily because (insert free agent name) is actually wanted here or wants to be here. Times have changed, and so have the Rangers. People need to understand that. Just because we do still make free agent signings like every other team doesn't mean we are run the same way as 10 years ago. Its getting very old.
I may be missing something here, but do you mean how the fanbase is run? Because the Rangers as a hockey team have continued to sign guys to inflated contracts and make ridiculous trades, be it Gaborik, Boogaard (RIP), Redden, Wolski, etc.. It's nice that the system is producing, but it's still very much part of recent team history to load up the team with money. Ten years ago is a lot less removed than you think.

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I may be missing something here, but do you mean how the fanbase is run? Because the Rangers as a hockey team have continued to sign guys to inflated contracts and make ridiculous trades, be it Gaborik, Boogaard (RIP), Redden, Wolski, etc.. It's nice that the system is producing, but it's still very much part of recent team history to load up the team with money. Ten years ago is a lot less removed than you think.
I don't know why you would include Gaborik or Wolski, as Gaborik is well worth the money when he plays a full season - like he did in his first year here. One off season where he still was 2nd on the team in scoring, despite missing a handful of games and being very snakebitten, doesn't change that he's still the team's only legitimate goal scoring threat.

And Wolski was acquired in a trade where the Rangers dumped an even bigger contract. It was a brilliant move by Sather, really. If it works out, you get a solid, young 2nd liner, and if it doesn't, you trade him for a low, low pick for a near 4m clear in cap space, and if you can't do that, buy him out; but what makes it brilliant, is that Wolski's buyout is only 1/3 of his salary, whereas most are 2/3. He's under 26, so his cap hits would be 430k and 666k.

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Didn't you or another poster propose this a few weeks ago?

Another thread about this?

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Didn't you or another poster propose this a few weeks ago?

Another thread about this?
Yea i proposed a deal of wolski for a 1 of the 3 2nd round picks that the blues had since they need more scoring with taresenko staying in russia and Perron still being injured.

This proposal was actually created by a HABS fan.

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Its so funny how a few Rangers fans can change the entire general consensus for the fan base. Not every single Rangers fan wants Richards here, believe me there are alot that do not. Not every single Rangers fan who wants him here assumes he will automatically sign with us.

I don't want Richards. Didn't want Drury or Gomez. NO one wanted Wade Redden.

People still talk about the Rangers like they are the team of 10 years ago. If that was the case, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Mcdonagh, Sauer, Del Zotto, Anisimov would all be on some team not named the New York Rangers.

The Rangers will always be a talked about as a destination for big name free agents simply because of the deep pockets of the club, not necessarily because (insert free agent name) is actually wanted here or wants to be here. Times have changed, and so have the Rangers. People need to understand that. Just because we do still make free agent signings like every other team doesn't mean we are run the same way as 10 years ago. Its getting very old.
I apologize if my comment made it seem as if I was referring to the entire fanbase. The Rangers will always have the money to throw around, but it is simply insane how much they fail at trying to sign the big UFA and make it work. And it never does. And guess what? In the NHL, many of these UFA signings for huge dollars tend to fizzle out. It's the norm. There are always exceptions (Chara) but there are always the facts (Campbell, Drury, Gomez, Redden).. I'll stop there.

The Rangers are actually building a good team from within. As an Islander fan, much like how the Islanders never scared the Rangers, I always know in my heart that the Rangers are a Lundqvist hail mary away from the draft lottery. But they are finally building a credible team around him.

Go out and throw the books at Richards and you continue to put yourself at Square 1. I believe that 110%.

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Yea.

Callahan and Dubi will both be 4 mill TOPS.

Sauer and Anisimov will be somewhere between 1.5-2.5.

And Boyle will be about 1.5

That's about 8 mill or so tops to sign all our top rfas.
Not that this is going to keep the Rangers from signing Richards but you think Callahan and Dubinsky will have a combined cap hit of 4 million or less?

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Not that this is going to keep the Rangers from signing Richards but you think Callahan and Dubinsky will have a combined cap hit of 4 million or less?
He means 4m apiece.

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richards will likely sign a five or six year deal with an average of approx 6-6.5 million a season.

he wont come cheap no matter where he signs
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Blah blah blah, its all ******** until he officially signs somewhere. Where did you hear that? Do you and Coldsteel talk to Brad once in awhile where u guys are on a first name basis? Give me a break already, we've offically heard everything now, from colsteel's analysis of his life to Richards only waiving his NTC to go to the Rangers. Honestly people need to stop talking like they know what hes thinking and what he will sign for and just wait and see.
Try doing some reading before dismissing the posts of people who do:

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“When it’s closer to a deadline or a time where you have to make a decision, that might be a time to think about what’s going to happen in the future,” he said. “Right now, there are no worries in my mind to do anything because there is no rush.”

But when decision time does roll around, Richards said he’ll take a couple of factors into consideration.

The main thing will be talking to my family and trying to win,” he said. “It’s been too long since I had that chance to win the Stanley Cup. I kind of thought we’d have a couple more cracks at it by now. That will be the main focus. If Dallas is the place where I think they can win then that’s the place and hopefully it can work out. We’ll see what happens.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/stars/post?id=10039

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He and good buddies Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis helped the Tampa Bay Lightning win the Stanley Cup in 2004. The Lightning had a core of great, young players and should have been a Stanley Cup contender for the next six to seven years or longer. But ownership struggled with the financial end of the deal, and the team fell apart. Goaile Nikolai Khabibulin was lost in the first summer to free agency. Then came the trades and the extended ownership issues. Eventually, the Lightning moved most of the team, including playoff MVP Richards and top-level defenseman Dan Boyle.

"Within three years, there were maybe three guys left from a Cup winning team,'' Richards said. "That's not how you want to build."
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"You look around the league at teams that are consistently winning, and it starts at the top. It's always that way,'' Richards said. "It makes things clearer for a guy like Joe [Nieuwendyk] and what he's doing. How many times have we talked about ownership this year? There are a lot teams where you don't have to talk about it, you never talk about it. You just go play hockey, and things are always taken care of."

When asked if his past experiences with Tampa have taught him a few things, he said yes.

"It just makes everything smoother," Richards said of strong ownership. "You are competing against teams that are going to spend $63 million next year, teams that are in the playoffs now that are Cup contenders and are going to be just as good or better next year. We've got to compete with that. That starts with ownership, and that's why it's on my mind and that's why I'm asking questions."
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"I know he loves the city, he loves the team and he loves his teammates," said Brenden Morrow. "I think he's just wants security and he wants to know the franchise is stable, and he has every right to. He wants an owner who will spend to have a competitive team, and if he doesn't see that situation here, he's probably going to move on."
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To the original OP -- No, they cannot sign another deal on July 2. They'd have to wait until January 1.

As to the question over whether they have enough space? That all depends on what they do elsewhere. All 1 way contracts count in the summer (including Redden) and players can only be demoted / assigned in September. Redden's $6.5m cap hit will take up more than the 10% overage (around $6.2m), and that can only be used by players coming in on ELCs who did not spend significant amounts of time in the NHL this year.

That means, the Rangers are going to have to head into september with a roster that accomodates Chris Drury, unless of course they deal him elsewhere. Whether they can fit Richards into that... good question.

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Blah blah blah, its all ******** until he officially signs somewhere. Where did you hear that? Do you and Coldsteel talk to Brad once in awhile where u guys are on a first name basis? Give me a break already, we've offically heard everything now, from colsteel's analysis of his life to Richards only waiving his NTC to go to the Rangers. Honestly people need to stop talking like they know what hes thinking and what he will sign for and just wait and see.
or you could read some news articles, like our friend up above

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http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/arch...ly-abou-1.html

Wow great job at looking things up, but in the end if you read all of that it doesnt say much of anything in which you were stating. He wants to find a stable franchise, Dallas isnt one of them, the Rangers are the most stable in the nhl. Also, the rangers have a TON of youth on the team, with more talented youngsters being added every year on a team that has the best goalie in the league, a great young top 4 defense, and a great overall team that has all the peices BUT another 1st line player.

Talking to his family, EVERY player does that, and im pretty sure that NYC has some of the BEST schools in the country.. Along with more of a chance to win the cup than Dallas does, but are in the same boat along with Buffalo and Carolina. The Rangers will also be a team that will get much better in the coming years as well, with some SERIOUS capspace being available from players contracts like Wolski, Avery, Drury, and Redden off the book... = 14m-20m! So the Rangers will have PLENTY of flexibility.

He states he wants to take his time and making his decision which is always a great idea and every player wants to do this.. I see nothing that says he wants to stay in a small market city, plus hes basically saying he wants a team that is stabile- not dallas.. a team ready to compete for the cup and get better-easily say all the teams vying for him. He also states wanting to play with players that he knows.. well Torts is exactly a guy he would want to play for.

I must say that in all your research it just further proves my point that any team can possibly sign him

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