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Rundblad For Paajarvi-Svensson/Eberle

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05-28-2011, 04:42 PM
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Tambellini LAUGHS at the proposal.

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Hell no.

I don't think I would give up either for Karlsson either.

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Hell no.

I don't think I would give up either for Karlsson either.
I wouldn't worry about it, because we'd never offer EK.

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05-28-2011, 05:06 PM
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Hell no.

I don't think I would give up either for Karlsson either.
I'd give Paajarvi for Karlsson, but NEVER Eberle. Karlsson is too one-dimensional.

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05-28-2011, 05:18 PM
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Just for fun and some debating how would everyone rank these prospects, young players and picks.

Sens 1st
Edm 1st
Hall
Eberle
MPS
Rundblad
Karlsson
Cowen

this should be fun
How anyone has Karlsson ranked ahead of our 1st overall this year is beyond me.

Hall
Edm 1st
Eberle
MPS
Rundblad
Ott 1st - There are 8 very good players in this years draft so Ottawa is going to get a beauty here, definitely someone better than Karlsson.
Karlsson - Clearly I'm not a fan, his defensive game may of come a step or two last season but it's miles behind where it needs to be to be effective in the defensive zone.
Cowen

I do think Rundblad is going to come over to the NHL and prove his worth, and has the potential to become more valuable than MPS and Eberle.

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05-28-2011, 05:19 PM
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Hall
RNH
Eberle
Karlsson
Paajarvi
Rundblad
#6 Overall
Cowen

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RNH (EDM 1st)
Eberle
Karlsson

MPS
OTT 1st
Rundblad

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That's hilarious.

MPS is better than Rundblad because he's shown he can play well over the season, yet Karlsson is worse than RNH? EK's an outstanding talent who has to work on his defensive side, no doubt. But his big issue right now is his size, which last time I checked was RNH's problem too.

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How anyone has Karlsson ranked ahead of our 1st overall this year is beyond me.
10 million posters saying Eberle and MPS having played in an NHL game makes them worth more than Rundblad for never having done it. Yet the argument on the other side is somehow a fallacy?

If really good young players who play in the NHL are better than really good young players who don't play in the NHL, the argument works both ways.

How about the comparison of really good young players who have played in an all-star game versus really good young players who haven't played in one?

You're certainly underrating the hell out of Karlsson. (Just fyi, Karlsson put up more points than Eberle, Hall and MPS this season.)

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05-28-2011, 06:50 PM
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How anyone has Karlsson ranked ahead of our 1st overall this year is beyond me.

Hall
Edm 1st
Eberle
MPS
Rundblad
Ott 1st - There are 8 very good players in this years draft so Ottawa is going to get a beauty here, definitely someone better than Karlsson.
Karlsson - Clearly I'm not a fan, his defensive game may of come a step or two last season but it's miles behind where it needs to be to be effective in the defensive zone.
Cowen

I do think Rundblad is going to come over to the NHL and prove his worth, and has the potential to become more valuable than MPS and Eberle.
WOW this explains alot. If you honestly think this is how these prospects rate then I can see why Edmonton fans would never want to make a trade.

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Its not just Oiler fans that think highly of Paajarvi, and Eberle. Canada and Sweden National teams do too. Both are very young players that have two World championship tournaments under their belt. This is a big accomplishment for young players. Not many get invited; let alone make an impact(especially before they ever play an NHL like last year)

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Hell no.

I don't think I would give up either for Karlsson either.
lolz

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lolz
It's not a slight at Karlsson, he just doesn't improve us. We have plenty of puck movers, we need a guy of Karlsson's caliber in a shutdown role

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Its not just Oiler fans that think highly of Paajarvi, and Eberle. Canada and Sweden National teams do too. Both are very young players that have two World championship tournaments under their belt. This is a big accomplishment for young players. Not many get invited; let alone make an impact(especially before they ever play an NHL like last year)
Yeah you're right. Everyone values the Oilers kids but that Karlsson kid in Ottawa, he's worthless.

Erik Karlsson: 75gp, 13g, 32a, 45pts (21 on May 31. 6'0/175)
Jordan Eberle: 69gp, 18g, 25a, 43pts (21. 5'10/174)
Taylor Hall: 65gp, 22g, 20a, 42pts (20 on Nov 14. 6'01/194)
Magnus Paajarvi: 80gp, 15g, 19a, 34pts (20. 6'03/200)

One of those players plays defense.

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It's not a slight at Karlsson, he just doesn't improve us. We have plenty of puck movers, we need a guy of Karlsson's caliber in a shutdown role
Meh. Ottawa would be stupid to trade Karlsson to the Oilers, regardless of the return.

Ottawa fans will tell you straight up that there has never been a player in our organization as skilled as he is from the blueline. This is a team that drafted Bryan Berard 1st overall, had Wade Redden in his prime, as well as Zdeno Chara; and has had no shortage of superb puck movers through the years (e.g. Joe Corvo).

Taylor Hall might well be a 40/40 goal scorer in the NHL. That's fine. No doubt he would be a great acquisition for any team.

Not at the price of EK though.

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Yeah you're right. Everyone values the Oilers kids but that Karlsson kid in Ottawa, he's worthless.

Erik Karlsson: 75gp, 13g, 32a, 45pts (21 on May 31. 6'0/175)
Jordan Eberle: 69gp, 18g, 25a, 43pts (21. 5'10/174)
Taylor Hall: 65gp, 22g, 20a, 42pts (20 on Nov 14. 6'01/194)
Magnus Paajarvi: 80gp, 15g, 19a, 34pts (20. 6'03/200)

One of those players plays defense.



Meh. Ottawa would be stupid to trade Karlsson to the Oilers, regardless of the return.

Ottawa fans will tell you straight up that there has never been a player in our organization as skilled as he is from the blueline. This is a team that drafted Bryan Berard 1st overall, had Wade Redden in his prime, as well as Zdeno Chara; and has had no shortage of superb puck movers through the years (e.g. Joe Corvo).

Taylor Hall might well be a 40/40 goal scorer in the NHL. That's fine. No doubt he would be a great acquisition for any team.

Not at the price of EK though.
LULZ at Ottawa fans thinking Karlsson >> Hall

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One of those players plays defense.
Kind of.

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LULZ at Ottawa fans thinking Karlsson >> Hall
Where did I say that, exactly?

I said Hall might be a 40/40 (80 point) scorer.
I said teams would love to have Hall on their team.

I *did* say that the price of EK would not justify adding Hall, but that doesn't mean Karlsson >> Hall (or vice versa).

You cannot evaluate two players by use of simple algebraic techniques and claim to answer which is more valuable. Evaluating players involves considering a lot of different factors, including talent, physique, intangibles, potential, ceiling, etc.

Sens fans look at Erik Karlsson and see a player who could be a generational defender - he certainly has all the right tools to be this. There's a HUGE chance he will not be. He might just be another Marc-Andre Bergeron. That's where *potential* and *risk* and *likelihood of achieving* enter into play. Karlsson can do things at 20 - despite being undersized, that are unbelievable... and he just projects to get better as he grows into an NHL frame.

Hall is much more certain. He's a 1st overall pick for a reason. It's almost certain he reaches his potential, but beyond that? Is he the next Wayne Gretzky? Doubtful.

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hall>karlsson
Karlsson>eberle/mps
eberle/mps>rundblad/cowen
rundblad/cowen>1st overall
1st>6th

Karlsson is a good player but his defense is questionable at times, but he definitely improved so who knows he could become an all round great player

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Kind of.
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hall>karlsson
Karlsson>eberle/mps
eberle/mps>rundblad/cowen
rundblad/cowen>1st overall
1st>6th

Karlsson is a good player but his defense is questionable at times, but he definitely improved so who knows he could become an all round great player
RNH/Larsson>>>>>Rundblad or Cowen

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RNH/Larsson>>>>>Rundblad or Cowen
Uh don't you hate RNH?

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Uh don't you hate RNH?
I don't hate him, I just think Larsson is better. We're drafting RNH anyway, meh, but it still doesn't take away the fact that he's better than Rundblad or Cowen.

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Its not just Oiler fans that think highly of Paajarvi, and Eberle. Canada and Sweden National teams do too. Both are very young players that have two World championship tournaments under their belt. This is a big accomplishment for young players. Not many get invited; let alone make an impact(especially before they ever play an NHL like last year)
Karlsson played in the WHC last season and would have this season were it not for an injury. Rundblad played on the WHC this season -- IIRC he was one of the last cuts last year, but then again there are fewer spots available for defencemen.

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Karlsson - Clearly I'm not a fan, his defensive game may of come a step or two last season but it's miles behind where it needs to be to be effective in the defensive zone.
No it's not. He lacks strength and his positioning needs work (both of which will come in time) but the main issue has been consistency in the defensive zone, not ability. If you can believe it for a 19-20 year old defender playing huge minutes.

I don't know how many games you've seen him play so this may not necessarily be directed at you, but so much criticism of Karlsson's defence just comes from people looking at his +/- stat out of context.

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I don't hate him, I just think Larsson is better. We're drafting RNH anyway, meh, but it still doesn't take away the fact that he's better than Rundblad or Cowen.
By what objective measure? The fact that your team is more likely to get one of 'em?

It's not as though any of them have actually played in the NHL yet.

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Yeah you're right. Everyone values the Oilers kids but that Karlsson kid in Ottawa, he's worthless.

Erik Karlsson: 75gp, 13g, 32a, 45pts (21 on May 31. 6'0/175)
Jordan Eberle: 69gp, 18g, 25a, 43pts (21. 5'10/174)
Taylor Hall: 65gp, 22g, 20a, 42pts (20 on Nov 14. 6'01/194)
Magnus Paajarvi: 80gp, 15g, 19a, 34pts (20. 6'03/200)

One of those players plays defense.
I'm going to hate myself for getting involved in this ridiculous thread, but is this really your argument?

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