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05-27-2011, 04:36 PM
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Please God no. It's hard enough to make it out of the West as is!
I don't necessarily mean as good as either of those (though I'm not saying it won't be) just the makeup of the D. This past season Detroit had:

Lidstrom - 6.2
Rafalski - 6.0
Stuart - 3.75
Kronwall - 3.0
Salei - 1.1
Ericsson - 0.8

Removing the top two, you'll find another Rafalski but not another Lidstrom, and let's throw Salei in there as well, so with an increased cap I could see them replacing that 13.3M with three 4-5M dmen through UFA or trade. Last year Pittsburgh and Vancouver added Hamhuis, Ballard, Martin, and Michalek in this manner. So just using those guys as examples a near future defense could look something like:

Martin - 5.0
Ballard - 4.2 (assuming his value before this past season)
Michalek - 4.0
Stuart - 3.75
Kronwall - 3.0
Ericsson - 0.8

Who knows who it'll actually be, but like I said earlier it's not like Detroit has ever had problems attracting free agents when they have the money to spend.

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If there is one thing I know about Detroit, it's that they never have a problem getting other teams best players. They'll figure something out, but I'm not sure they're going to like the cap hits. It wouldn't shock me to see them move a couple of their top prospects in trade to get a younger player or two on a better deal as an alternative to free agency.

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How many of them are point-per-game Conn Smythe trophy winners?
i am gonna go with none, but, thats likely because their have never been any/many.

i just would be shocked to see richards sign with a non-contender, long term, for 7plus million a season.

I cant think of too many top teams who can both afford and need a 7 million dollar 30plus year old centremen..

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ehrhoff is staying in vancouver

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Ehrhoff at 6, that is gross overpayment.
Maybe, but that's what he's going to ask for if he hits the open market.

Offensively he's a gem, defensively, let's just say he's no Scott Stevens.

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I'd rather have Wiz at around 4mil than Ehrhoff at 6, that is gross overpayment.
Wiz has several teams interested, and from what I know, he'll be asking around 5.5 million.

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No way the Islanders would trade Nabokov AND a second for Hudler and Emmerton, theres talk that they can get a second or atleast a third even up for him Nabokov so they wouldnt package a second with Nabokov for a over priced Hudler and moderate prospect. Maybe Hudler, Emmerton and a 2nd or 3rd for Nabokov alone.

People forget that Nabokov's low contract will drive his price up. I would love to see the Wings pull of that heist but it just wont happen.

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05-27-2011, 06:39 PM
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Good thing you have another mil left over, you'll need to give that to Ehrhoff to lure him over. At 5.5mil, we reluctantly keep him.

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Hopefully they'll invite a few people to camp like they did during their first post-cap camp and let a few people battle it out.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Scottie Upshall ($2.500m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
/ / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Jan Hejda ($2.500m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($5.000m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Jose Theodore ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,717,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,282,956

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05-27-2011, 09:54 PM
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I would still like to see Konopka take Hudler's spot or even rotate with Miller and Eaves. great locker room guy, face offs and gritty. Not a spring chicken, but younger than Draper and plays with hunger...and cheap.

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05-27-2011, 11:02 PM
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i am gonna go with none, but, thats likely because their have never been any/many.

i just would be shocked to see richards sign with a non-contender, long term, for 7plus million a season.

I cant think of too many top teams who can both afford and need a 7 million dollar 30plus year old centremen..
Given that Toronto and the Rangers are both known to be active and willing to go into a bidding war for his services if he opts to leave Dallas at all, I think you've got plenty of possibilities before Detroit even becomes a vague consideration, especially if you're expecting a pre-hometown discount.


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Jan Hejda ($2.500m)
If he's willing to take that, he'd probably get his retirement contract here.

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05-28-2011, 01:41 AM
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sign
Laich- 4M$- 3/4 yrs
Reasoner- 900k 1yr
Halpern- 900k 1yr
Hamrlik- 2.5M 1/2 yrs

trade
to ott
Hudler

to detroit
Gonchar
4th 2011




FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Brooks Laich ($4.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.900m) / Marty Reasoner ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Roman Hamrlik ($2.500m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,933,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $1,466,289

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05-28-2011, 02:04 AM
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TRADES

1) Trade Ericsson's rights to Edmonton for Andrew Cogliano.

2) Trade Jiri Hudler to FLA for a 4th round draft pick.


FA

1) Sign James Wisniewski (3 years, $12 million)
2) Sign Ed Jovanovski (1 years, $3.5 million)
3) Sign Tomas Fleischmann (4 years, $11.2 million)
4) Sign Ty Conklin (1 year, $1 million)
5) Re-sign Patrick Eaves (2 years, $2 million)
6) Sign 7th d-man (1 year, < $800k)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($2.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Andrew Cogliano ($1.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
/ / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Ed Jovanovski ($3.500m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Freddy Meyer ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,383,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,016,289




***EDIT

Scratch that. 2.8 is probably too low for Fleischmann. I think this team is better anyway


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Brooks Laich ($4.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Andrew Cogliano ($1.000m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Freddy Meyer ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brent Krahn ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,583,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $816,289

That's a much bigger team than the first one I posted. Despite these signings, it leaves more than $18 million for next offseason to re-sign Kronwall, Stuart, Helm, and Abby, plus make a run at Ryan Suter.


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05-28-2011, 02:29 AM
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Ya the only way I see Ehrhoff gone from Vancouver is if there's a chance he's getting $6 mil +.

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No way the Islanders would trade Nabokov AND a second for Hudler and Emmerton, theres talk that they can get a second or atleast a third even up for him Nabokov so they wouldnt package a second with Nabokov for a over priced Hudler and moderate prospect. Maybe Hudler, Emmerton and a 2nd or 3rd for Nabokov alone.

People forget that Nabokov's low contract will drive his price up. I would love to see the Wings pull of that heist but it just wont happen.
Nabokov has very little value right now after his poor performance in the KHL, his stunt of sitting out, and his dismal performance in the WC. But you're right in that the Islanders would have no reason to give away a pick with him. If a team is desperate/hopeful enough to pursue Nabokov, I'd think he could be had for pretty cheap.

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Wow, some of my fellow RW fans are incredibly unrealistic with their FA contracts.

Also, Ericsson's rights for Cogliano? Why would Edmonton trade the rights to a decent forward for the rights to a UFA #5/6 d-man?

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05-28-2011, 11:30 AM
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I really like some of the names thrown in here.

Simon Gagne would be a perfect fit for Detroit. I can see him signing a 4 x 4 million deal with Red Wings.

Sergei Gonchar could be had for cheap too. Something like a 2nd round pick or so?

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I really like some of the names thrown in here.

Simon Gagne would be a perfect fit for Detroit. I can see him signing a 4 x 4 million deal with Red Wings.

Sergei Gonchar could be had for cheap too. Something like a 2nd round pick or so?
man some of these names were great in their hayday, but, seriously guys detroit has its best chance in the last 15 years to really move the organization forward with some serious investment in youth.

the days of being able to sign aging stars who have a heavy impact are over.

the only over 30 player worth over 2 million a season this summer is brad richards. its not because over 30 is old, its because the game more then ever is now about youth and speed.

coem on holland use yor brain, no old bums, not ever again

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05-28-2011, 12:26 PM
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I see Jovanovski being a dman that would love to play in Detroit, and at a discount. Albeit that is just a depth dman now, bring up Smith as the kid's ready. I'd also make room for Tatar amongst the forwards as he's close to being ready to making the next step. Also if Holland can get Cogliano for Eriksson's right, then he's a genius and should make that move as I believe Cogliano would flourish in the Detroit system.

In that scenario, sufficient cap space would be left to actively enter the Richards bidding although I think it's a done deal of him heading to New York state to either the Rangers or Sabres.

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TRADES

1) Trade Ericsson's rights to Edmonton for Andrew Cogliano.

2) Trade Jiri Hudler to FLA for a 4th round draft pick.


FA

1) Sign James Wisniewski (3 years, $12 million)
2) Sign Ed Jovanovski (1 years, $3.5 million)
3) Sign Tomas Fleischmann (4 years, $11.2 million)
4) Sign Ty Conklin (1 year, $1 million)
5) Re-sign Patrick Eaves (2 years, $2 million)
6) Sign 7th d-man (1 year, < $800k)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($2.800m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Andrew Cogliano ($1.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
/ / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Ed Jovanovski ($3.500m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Freddy Meyer ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,383,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,016,289




***EDIT

Scratch that. 2.8 is probably too low for Fleischmann. I think this team is better anyway


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Brooks Laich ($4.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Andrew Cogliano ($1.000m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Freddy Meyer ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brent Krahn ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,583,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $816,289

That's a much bigger team than the first one I posted. Despite these signings, it leaves more than $18 million for next offseason to re-sign Kronwall, Stuart, Helm, and Abby, plus make a run at Ryan Suter.
If you think your getting Wisniewski for 4m, your horribly mistaken

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I won't count Richards out completely but chances are slim to none. IF he happened to come here I think it would be a one year deal to stricly win a cup. Something like Hossa. Also I think Wings should be looking more into the future and be looking to find the hole Lidstrom will leave. He is a huge part of our game even at his age. It's going to be a sad day in H-town when he hangs them up.

EDIT: To obtain anything in our top 6 then we have to move Hudler. Also forgot to mention..IMO..IF we do obtain Richards or another top notch player its because I think Lidstrom knows its his last season and he wants the best chance to win a cup. JMHO.

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