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05-29-2011, 02:11 PM
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The Need For LW Depth: Gagne Or Brunette?

Simon Gagne and Andrew Brunette are starting to get toward the end of their careers I would say, but are still effective players who could be used for another Stanley Cup run.


A look at the numbers:

-In 63 games, Gagne had 40 points
-In 82 games, Brunette had 46 points

Gagne could sign for around $3 million, and Brunette could get around $2 million per. Gagne had has injuries in his career including concussions. Brunette played in all 82 games for Minnesota this season. With some of the really good forwards in our top six and even top nine, I feel these guys could each get over 50 points next year if healthy, which I count Brunette on more than Gagne to be.

So, if you had to pick one, who do you pick?


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Gagne without a doubt...

both will not sign with us.

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If the Hawks can pick up a third line center, we probably are fine for LW. We then have Sharp, Frolik and Bickell for lines 1-3. You plug in whoever for the 4th line (Stalberg maybe...) and have Morin as a wildcard that may or may not play with the big club next season.

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If the Hawks can pick up a third line center, we probably are fine for LW. We then have Sharp, Frolik and Bickell for lines 1-3. You plug in whoever for the 4th line (Stalberg maybe...) and have Morin as a wildcard that may or may not play with the big club next season.
I really like the idea of having Bolland at the #3 center position and being in more of a shutdown role, but still having good linemates to score. I want us to trade for the rights for Santorelli and give him a $1 million raise, too.

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I really like the idea of having Bolland at the #3 center position and being in more of a shutdown role, but still having good linemates to score. I want us to trade for the rights for Santorelli and give him a $1 million raise, too.

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Gagne/Frolik-Santorelli-Hossa
Frolik/Brunette-Bolland-Smith
To me it depends on who the Hawks acquire or don't acquire to play #2 or #3 center. I think Dave Bolland has a lot more to give offensively than he's ever really had a chance to show the Hawks. Some of that is from his injuries and some of that is from him being put in to a shutdown role, which often times has led to him having 'scrub' linemates.

I would say look at Ryan Kesler as an example. They are similar players in a lot of ways, with Kesler having the offensive edge. But they went out and signed Manny Malhotra and then Kesler flourished in a freed up #2 role where he didn't have to worry about being the shutdown guy. When Manny got hurt, Kesler went back to his shutdown role, and obviously did an excellent job against our #1 line.

To me that would be the ultimate type of pick up, for the Hawks to find our own Manny Malhotra. I don't know who's out there, but if there's something like that available, I'd pounce on it if I were Stan.

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not sure, but if all you want is a shutdown C, you can try Krüger and if he fails you can pick up a Center with a Pick/Prospect during the season

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To me it depends on who the Hawks acquire or don't acquire to play #2 or #3 center. I think Dave Bolland has a lot more to give offensively than he's ever really had a chance to show the Hawks. Some of that is from his injuries and some of that is from him being put in to a shutdown role, which often times has led to him having 'scrub' linemates.

I would say look at Ryan Kesler as an example. They are similar players in a lot of ways, with Kesler having the offensive edge. But they went out and signed Manny Malhotra and then Kesler flourished in a freed up #2 role where he didn't have to worry about being the shutdown guy. When Manny got hurt, Kesler went back to his shutdown role, and obviously did an excellent job against our #1 line.

To me that would be the ultimate type of pick up, for the Hawks to find our own Manny Malhotra. I don't know who's out there, but if there's something like that available, I'd pounce on it if I were Stan.
I feel the Hawks need a #2 center or another left winger. They have a #2 center in Sharp, but he should be playing his natural position. Santorelli plays in a system in Florda that doesn't make for an offensive hotbed. He scored 41 points in 82 games last year. Just imagine what he could do on a line with his former teammate, Michael Frolik, and Hossa.

I could see a roster like this:

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Frolik-Santorelli-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Smith
Morin-Reasoner-Rupp/Asham

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I asked about Santorelli in the other thread. I don't know much about him. His terrible +/- and Nashville dumping him off for practically nothing look like red flags though.

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Santorelli is to FLA what Arnason was to the Hawks...

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Santorelli is to FLA what Arnason was to the Hawks...
Ok then...forget that.

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Simon Gagne and Andrew Brunette are starting to get toward the end of their careers I would say, but are still effective players who could be used for another Stanley Cup run.


A look at the numbers:

-In 63 games, Gagne had 40 points
-In 82 games, Brunette had 46 points

Gagne could sign for around $3 million, and Brunette could get around $2 million per. Gagne had has injuries in his career including concussions. Brunette played in all 82 games for Minnesota this season. With some of the really good forwards in our top six and even top nine, I feel these guys could each get over 50 points next year if healthy, which I count Brunette on more than Gagne to be.

So, if you had to pick one, who do you pick?
Neither, they both are exactly what the Hawks don't need. And your salary estimates are off as well.

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Santorelli is to FLA what Arnason was to the Hawks...
Or Peverley was to the Predators, Sullivan was to the Leafs, and Savard was to the Flames.

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Simon Gagne and Andrew Brunette are starting to get toward the end of their careers I would say, but are still effective players who could be used for another Stanley Cup run.


A look at the numbers:

-In 63 games, Gagne had 40 points
-In 82 games, Brunette had 46 points

Gagne could sign for around $3 million, and Brunette could get around $2 million per. Gagne had has injuries in his career including concussions. Brunette played in all 82 games for Minnesota this season. With some of the really good forwards in our top six and even top nine, I feel these guys could each get over 50 points next year if healthy, which I count Brunette on more than Gagne to be.

So, if you had to pick one, who do you pick?
Both will recieve bigger contracts then that this summer.

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Gagne is a more injury prone Sharp. I don't see him leaving Tampa after the success they've had the past season. That team is only going to get better as their defense improves.

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Gange will prbly be resigned by the bolts. LW isn't a major need like our Center problem.

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Some problems

- Both will get alot more $
- Gagne just lost game 7 of ECF and is comfortable in TB ,,, Doubt he leaves
- Gagne has extensive concussion history and Brunette is getting long in tooth

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Or Peverley was to the Predators, Sullivan was to the Leafs, and Savard was to the Flames.
no,

it should be what Santorelli was to the Preds. This is already his 2nd Team and he really is what Arnason was to us.

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