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I'm not sure Chiarelli does it. They look at Knight as the next Ryan Callahan. A player that's more than the sum of his parts. And they don't want to have a Ryan Callahan in the division, playing for their arch rival.
Exactly, Bill. I don't think the B's trade JK for anything outside top-15, and certainly not to our biggest rival.
Knight is clearly a top prospect, I personally have him behind Caron and Spooner, but I feel he's can't-miss as an impressive, fearless two-way forward who any nhl franchise would love to have in their system. At worst, I see him as a career third-liner with scoring touch and speed (perhaps a Marco Sturm with greater physicality)... which makes him a valuable commodity to say the least.
He's certainly not untouchable, but it would take a sizable enough overpayment to scare away all but the most zealous buyers.
You could make the argument that Colborne is better than Knight. This is just one ubiased opinion (from the go to guy regarding Bruins prospects and draft watch) and I'm sure I could find lists where Colborne was rated higher than Knight, but you can't say that Colborne is twice the prospect that Knight is.
True. It really all depends who you ask. Also, whether or not they're looking at it from a pure BPA or if the value to the team is weighed in.
For example, this years THN Future Watch has the rankings as:
In my opinion, Colborne is the better player and has higher potential, but, like many posters have said, he's redundant on a team with Bergeron, Krejci, Seguin, Spooner, and Hamill. Horton and Caron are really the only other options at RW for the future.
In my opinion, Colborne is the better player and has higher potential, but, like many posters have said, he's redundant on a team with Bergeron, Krejci, Seguin, Spooner, and Hamill. Horton and Caron are really the only other options at RW for the future.
Higher potential, I'd agree with. But Knight's more likely to make it to the NHL because he can fit a role on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th lines. I'm not sure Colborne can be an effective bottom sixer, especially on a Burke/Wilson team. You can make an argument for Knight, you can make an argument for Colborne. It's pretty tough to make the argument that one is miles ahead of the other without sounding biased. Also, for what it's worth, I wouldn't have Bartkowski or Hamill near the top 5 either, but I know that list is from the beginning of the year.
You could make the argument that Colborne is better than Knight. This is just one ubiased opinion (from the go to guy regarding Bruins prospects and draft watch) and I'm sure I could find lists where Colborne was rated higher than Knight, but you can't say that Colborne is twice the prospect that Knight is.
Your backing up your arguments with a blog site. Look at every REPUTABLE sports analysis site/report and tell me what they say.
Knight is a good prospect, one of the harder workers in the OHL and his balance and good shot will serve him well in translating to the pros, but Bruins fans are hilarious. His offensive abilities are exaggerated. Greatly.
Pretty sure Burke got what he wanted or he wouldn't budge like that.
As far as I remember, Jared Knight was projected to go in the third round and the Bruins picked him early 2nd.
McKegg's progress and successful seasons even without the star players around him should make him the better prospect, and even then he's not better then Colborne.
So I don't know where you are getting that: Knight > Colborne.
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The awards he won where? From the Knights organization? That's great. He won team awards, not league. On a terrible team. Sorry, that's not great evidence.
"Burke wanted him! Our proof is a poster on HFboards!"
Knight is a good prospect, one of the harder workers in the OHL and his balance and good shot will serve him well in translating to the pros, but Bruins fans are hilarious. His offensive abilities are exaggerated. Greatly.
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And you know this how? Quit talking out of your a55. Colborne is twice the prospect Jared Knight is.
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LMAO they weren't even legit OHL awards lol. The way they were talking it sounded like Knight was MVP, Selke and Rocket Richard winner (or whatever the OHL equivalent of those awards are).
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Your backing up your arguments with a blog site. Look at every REPUTABLE sports analysis site/report and tell me what they say.
Your backing up your arguments with a blog site. Look at every REPUTABLE sports analysis site/report and tell me what they say.
It is pretty well known that while Colborne has excellent potential, he was starting to fall down the Bruins prospect depth chart mainly because he hadn't been very consistent in his development. That can come with maturity and Joe was starting to show maturity as a leader even if his offensive game was not coming along as quickly as was expected.
Guys like Caron, Spooner, Sauve and Knight had all passed him in most peoples eyes by the time Joe was traded.
I remember reading a couple of articles about Burke wanting Knight and that is why it took a little while to get the Kaberle trade done. It only makes sense that Burke would have wanted Knight since he has a history with Kadri.
Colborne is still a fine prospect, he just slipped down the depth chart a little, and that will happen when younger players start to perform just as well or even better.
Colborne will be able to play center or wing and contrary to what I have seen some people say, I believe Joe will be able to play any position on any line he is asked to play on, he is just about a sure fire future NHL player, it just remains to be seen what his role will end up being. My bet is that he will make a good 2nd line center who could play on the 1st line if needed.
Your backing up your arguments with a blog site. Look at every REPUTABLE sports analysis site/report and tell me what they say.
That "blogger" is a professional writer. He's at the NHL combine right now. He writes for the New England Hockey Journal, he's asked to appear on radio shows across the US and Canada (was on in Edmonton last weekend) to talk about the draft. He's as reputable as it gets when it comes to prospects.
That "blogger" is a professional writer. He's at the NHL combine right now. He writes for the New England Hockey Journal, he's asked to appear on radio shows across the US and Canada (was on in Edmonton last weekend) to talk about the draft. He's as reputable as it gets when it comes to prospects.
He is also THE GUY to get Bruins prospect info from, he is simply the best, most informed writer when it comes to Bruins prospects.
Exactly, Bill. I don't think the B's trade JK for anything outside top-15, and certainly not to our biggest rival.
Yeah, it isn't that 17th overall isn't fair. It's probably more than fair. But just like Ryan Callahan is worth more to the Rangers than your typical 5'10" 20 goal scorer, the B's believe that Knight is cut from the same cloth. And so do many other so-called prospect guru's. For example, the guy they quoted for the Burke rumor, is an OHL scout. Kirk, as any Bruins fan knows, is as plugged in as any writer out there, regularly talking with pro scouts around the league, independent scouts like Gare Joyce and Kyle Woodlief, and execs like Don Sweeney.
And again, nobody's saying that Knight's going to be a superstar, or that anyone would or should pay that price, just that the B's really like what they have and value what he projects to become.
And you know this how? Quit talking out of your a55. Colborne is twice the prospect Jared Knight is.
I am not saying that you personally took this stance at any time, but it is pretty funny how Colborne was called a bust by many Leaf fans when in some proposals for Kaberle he was brought up. Now that he is a Leaf prospect, somehow he is so much better than he was before.
Like I said, it's not you personally, I have no idea if you ever took any kind of stance on Colborne before he was traded to the Leafs.
There are a few reasons why players fall in their teams prospect rankings. New prospects enter the system, some players bring different qualities that some teams desire more than others.
Knight looks like he could be a 2nd or 3rd line winger with goal scoring ability, Colborne looks like he could be a 2nd or 3rd line center with playmaking ability and size. Most teams are going to take the center unless the wing is what they need on their team.
Knight is one of my favorite prospects in the world. Same goes for Jordan Caron, and Sobotka before the Bruins traded him. Don't know if defense is a need, but I might move Goncharov from Phoenix for Knight, if that could help the Bees. Sort of like the recent Werek trade. Prospect for prospect to fill a need.
Yeah, it isn't that 17th overall isn't fair. It's probably more than fair. But just like Ryan Callahan is worth more to the Rangers than your typical 5'10" 20 goal scorer, the B's believe that Knight is cut from the same cloth. And so do many other so-called prospect guru's. For example, the guy they quoted for the Burke rumor, is an OHL scout. Kirk, as any Bruins fan knows, is as plugged in as any writer out there, regularly talking with pro scouts around the league, independent scouts like Gare Joyce and Kyle Woodlief, and execs like Don Sweeney.
And again, nobody's saying that Knight's going to be a superstar, or that anyone would or should pay that price, just that the B's really like what they have and value what he projects to become.
You might be right in that 17th or therabouts would be fair for Knight, however.... as an old aphorism states: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Knight is that bird in hand, he seems to be developing like we'd hoped -- obviously he's no certainty, but I'll take him over the bust potential of the late teens.
Kirk has been cited by many bruin and non-bruin fans as one of the best sources of prospect and draft info on the web. Anyone looking for info on the up-and-comers in the hockey world would do well to visit his blog.
I'm not talking out of my ass. OrrOverGretzky is close with Knights family so i'm assuming he heard it straight from them. Colborne may be twice the prospect Knight is but he is redundant to the Bruins. We are loaded at center so Chiarelli was more willing to give him up than Knight. We already have Seguin, Spooner, Savard, Bergeron, and Krejci. Instead of giving up a powerforward RW we gave up a redundant piece.
You believe Peter Chiarelli is leaking to Knight or his family members, about ongoing trade negotiations he's turning down from Brian Burke?
To a dude in the Ontario junior league still, you think Chiarelli is telling those people that? Come on dude, listen to yourself.
Brian Burke's own words regarding the Kaberle trade:
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"I said, 'OK. That makes sense. We'll try to get [Kaberle] there.' We were not accepting a one-team list from any player or any player. We set our price, which was a first-round pick and a prospect off our list -- not their list. We said if Boston meets that, we'll make the deal and if they don't we want two more teams. And if we can't make a deal with those teams we want two more teams after that."
He presented Chiarelli with a list of prospects. Sources have never confirmed exactly which prospects were on that list, but it was a list, so it was more than just Colborne.
The Bruins top prospects are Caron, Knight and Spooner. Obviously at least one of them was also on the list.
The Bruins top prospects are Caron, Knight and Spooner. Obviously at least one of them was also on the list.
Would not be a smaller winger. I can tell you that much.
We need size and a center. If Leafs got to pick any one of your prospects is would have been Colborne. 100% of the time.
Colborne was on 82 point pace when we called him up to the the Leafs.
Seriously, He looked great on the Marlies, you guys are going to wish it was Knight who is on the Leafs soon enough.
Would not be a smaller winger. I can tell you that much.
We need size and a center. If Leafs got to pick any one of your prospects is would have been Colborne. 100% of the time.
Colborne was on 82 point pace when we called him up to the the Leafs.
Seriously, He looked great on the Marlies, you guys are going to wish it was Knight who is on the Leafs soon enough.
Colborne may become a great Leaf. He had a very mediocre run in Providence as a Bruin, and looked like a kid who some felt would never fit the system the Bruins play.
Seems like a good deal. Obviously Leaf fans got the player the desperately wanted, and Bruins fans traded the player they were most willing to let go.
In terms of Knight for the 17th. Would the Bruins make the deal today not knowing who is going to be available at 17? Probably not. If we are here on draft day and someone the Bruins love has fallen to 17 would they make they deal? Possibly.
I don't think the Bruins have any interest in dealing Knight, but everyone has their price, and there is no doubt players in this draft they would trade Knight for.
Exactly, Bill. I don't think the B's trade JK for anything outside top-15, and certainly not to our biggest rival.
Knight is clearly a top prospect, I personally have him behind Caron and Spooner, but I feel he's can't-miss as an impressive, fearless two-way forward who any nhl franchise would love to have in their system. At worst, I see him as a career third-liner with scoring touch and speed (perhaps a Marco Sturm with greater physicality)... which makes him a valuable commodity to say the least.
He's certainly not untouchable, but it would take a sizable enough overpayment to scare away all but the most zealous buyers.
Most teams saw in JK a career bottom-6 guy back in 2010.
Most teams saw in JK a career bottom-6 guy back in 2010.
Yep. And most teams saw Milan Lucic as a career 4th liner during his draft year. But the B's thought better and jumped on him "way too early."
Last year, the Bruins had two picks in the 2nd round; 32 and 45. And they weren't even willing to wait until 45 to pick Knight, they chose him at 32 and grabbed Spooner (who I happen to like better) at 45.
Again, doesn't mean Knight will be a star, I'm just trying to get across how much the B's like this kid.
