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SCF: Boston Bruins (3) vs. Vancouver Canucks (1) (Part 2)

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05-29-2011, 11:06 PM
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I don't understand why Boston fans are so up in arms about being underrated.
No one likes to see their team being "lesser".

It's the same way many people dont appreciate the Sedins talent

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05-29-2011, 11:13 PM
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I don't see the problem here.

Vancouver was the best team in the regular season. Vancouver allowed the least goals for, and scored the most goals. They had the top PP in the regular season and into the playoffs.

They had a scare against Chicago and have been pretty solid since.

When you look at a "paper" comparison:
Goaltending = Equal
Defense = Equal
Offense = Canucks
Special Teams = Canucks


I don't understand why Boston fans are so up in arms about being underrated.
I think you can safely throw regular season stats out the window. Playing the weak sisters of the NHL 6 times each has schewed the stats just a touch.

Minnesota, Colorado and Edmonton had horrible years allowing Kesler, the Sedins and the Canucks as a team to pad their stats.

The Northeast had 3 playoff teams in comparison. Just sayin.

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05-29-2011, 11:19 PM
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Chara/Seidenberg + Patrice's line will have to match up the Sedins, and if Patrice plays as well as he's capable of they can contain the Sedins IMO. Kesler's line I'd have to imagine will match up against the Krejci line.

Boston has to push the envelope physically right from the get go, Lucic has to step up, and Thomas has to play his best for the B's to be successful IMO
Only if AV let's julien get them on... Oh that's right julien doesn't have last change. But hey I hope the bruins try to line match. That just plays right into the Canucks gameplan I'm sure.

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05-29-2011, 11:21 PM
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Remember, the sedins did nothing against Weber & Sutter. I can only imagine what they'll do against Chara & Seidenberg.
They did enough. And to say chara and seidenberg could match that result is just hope.

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05-29-2011, 11:22 PM
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I think you can safely throw regular season stats out the window. Playing the weak sisters of the NHL 6 times each has schewed the stats just a touch.

Minnesota, Colorado and Edmonton had horrible years allowing Kesler, the Sedins and the Canucks as a team to pad their stats.

The Northeast had 3 playoff teams in comparison. Just sayin.
If you want to bring up the strength of reg season competition, I'm pretty sure this never works out well in a Western vs. Eastern team comparison.

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Remember, the sedins did nothing against Weber & Sutter. I can only imagine what they'll do against Chara & Seidenberg.
Let's also remember what Kesler did

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Remember, the sedins did nothing against Weber & Sutter. I can only imagine what they'll do against Chara & Seidenberg.
Considering the fact that Weber and Suter are better than Chara/Seidenberg... and how poorly Chara/Seidenberg were only 'ok' against St. Louis, Stamkos and Lacavalier.... I'm not worried. Sedins have always done well against big slow d-men.

Keith/Seabrook and Weber/Suter had success because of their mobility.

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Considering the fact that Weber and Suter are better than Chara/Seidenberg... and how poorly Chara/Seidenberg were only 'ok' against St. Louis, Stamkos and Lacavalier.... I'm not worried. Sedins have always done well against big slow d-men.

Keith/Seabrook and Weber/Suter had success because of their mobility.
I don't see the "big slow" dmen on that Bruins pairing. And if you're referring to Chara, I would think that is irrelevant, coinsidering he's a Norris-caliber defenseman.

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I think you can safely throw regular season stats out the window. Playing the weak sisters of the NHL 6 times each has schewed the stats just a touch.

Minnesota, Colorado and Edmonton had horrible years allowing Kesler, the Sedins and the Canucks as a team to pad their stats.

The Northeast had 3 playoff teams in comparison. Just sayin.
We've already done this comparison. The Canucks had amongst the best records against all the Western divisions, not just the Northwest... that's how they only lost 19 games in regulation.

Actually the Canucks weren't THAT good against Edmonton and Minnesota, losing twice in Minnesota and twice to Edmonton at the end of the season.

They did thrash some teams though, like Dallas (4-0-0).

Canucks vs Western Conference: 43-14-7
Boston vs Western Conference: 8-7-3

Canucks vs Central Division: 12-5-3 (60% wins)
Boston vs Central Division: 2-2-2 (33% wins)

Canucks vs Pacific Division: 13-5-2 (65% wins)
Boston vs Pacific Division: 2-4-1 (29 % wins)

Canucks vs Northwest: 18-4-2 (75% wins)
Boston vs Northwest: 4-1-0 (80% wins)

Canucks vs East: 11-5-2 (61% wins)
Boston vs East: 38-18-8 (58% wins)

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I think you can safely throw regular season stats out the window. Playing the weak sisters of the NHL 6 times each has schewed the stats just a touch.

Minnesota, Colorado and Edmonton had horrible years allowing Kesler, the Sedins and the Canucks as a team to pad their stats.

The Northeast had 3 playoff teams in comparison. Just sayin.
Let's get real here. Boston plays with perennial losers Toronto and Ottawa who were comparable to Edmonton if not worse. Montreal and Buffalo may have been playoff teams but I don't think they're much better than Calgary and even Minnesota.

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Remember, the sedins did nothing against Weber & Sutter. I can only imagine what they'll do against Chara & Seidenberg.
Slightly more at minimum?

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Gee, theres a few accounts in this thread that look rather new eh?

Can I go on record as a Bruin fan who admits their team has less talent than Vancouver?

I don't really care to be honest, im not sure the players do either. In the finals anything can happen. Even mediocre regular season guys can step and outshine more talented rivals.

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We've already done this comparison. The Canucks had amongst the best records against all the Western divisions, not just the Northwest... that's how they only lost 19 games in regulation.

Actually the Canucks weren't THAT good against Edmonton and Minnesota, losing twice in Minnesota and twice to Edmonton at the end of the season.

They did thrash some teams though, like Dallas (4-0-0).

Canucks vs Western Conference: 43-14-7
Boston vs Western Conference: 8-7-3

Canucks vs Central Division: 12-5-3 (60% wins)
Boston vs Central Division: 2-2-2 (33% wins)

Canucks vs Pacific Division: 13-5-2 (65% wins)
Boston vs Pacific Division: 2-4-1 (29 % wins)

Canucks vs Northwest: 18-4-2 (75% wins)
Boston vs Northwest: 4-1-0 (80% wins)

Canucks vs East: 11-5-2 (61% wins)
Boston vs East: 38-18-8 (58% wins)
LOL.

If if they played in the west with a record like that, they'd miss the playoffs.

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Gee, theres a few accounts in this thread that look rather new eh?

Can I go on record as a Bruin fan who admits their team has less talent than Vancouver?

I don't really care to be honest, im not sure the players do either. In the finals anything can happen. Even mediocre regular season guys can step and outshine more talented rivals.
Mason Raymond - Ryan Kesler - Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres - Maxim Lapierre - Yannick Hansen
Tanner Glass - Alexandre Bolduc - Cody Hodgson

This is Vancouver's bottom 9. Besides Kesler the rest are extremely average.

They would have a hard time cracking Boston's 4th line.

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Mason Raymond - Ryan Kesler - Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres - Maxim Lapierre - Yannick Hansen
Tanner Glass - Alexandre Bolduc - Cody Hodgson

This is Vancouver's bottom 9. Besides Kesler the rest are extremely average.

They would have a hard time cracking Boston's 4th line.

Other then glass and Bolduc, the rest are better then you obviously know. Try watching them play sometime. And here I thought it couldn't get any worse.

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The Canucks have had enough guys step up at the right moments, no matter who was injured or went into a slump. That's their key strength, they've got enough guys who can be big

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Mason Raymond - Ryan Kesler - Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres - Maxim Lapierre - Yannick Hansen
Tanner Glass - Alexandre Bolduc - Cody Hodgson

This is Vancouver's bottom 9. Besides Kesler the rest are extremely average.

They would have a hard time cracking Boston's 4th line.
Think the same could be said about Boston's defense.

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I think you can safely throw regular season stats out the window. Playing the weak sisters of the NHL 6 times each has schewed the stats just a touch.

Minnesota, Colorado and Edmonton had horrible years allowing Kesler, the Sedins and the Canucks as a team to pad their stats.

The Northeast had 3 playoff teams in comparison. Just sayin.
The stat padding assumption is incorrect if you actually look at the stats. Kesler did do a lot of damage vs. the NW division, but the Sedins had a lower PPG vs. NW division opponents than their season average.

I think Vancouver's goal differential was +0.862 per game against non-divisional opponents, which would translate into +71 over 82 games (vs. +77 in reality), still top in the league. Boston was 2nd at +51.

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Other then glass and Bolduc, the rest are better then you obviously know. Try watching them play sometime. And here I thought it couldn't get any worse.
I'm not denying that they're great plumbers. Good for 4th line duty but having your 2nd and 3rd line infested with these types is not really ideal. The Canucks are top heavy and that's not a good recipe when there's a Chara waiting to clamp down on your stars.

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I'd watch out for Raymond and Higgins, especially Raymond. He's been doing well defensively, but he's been quite offensively, I'd look for him to do something.

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I'm not denying that they're great plumbers. Good for 4th line duty but having your 2nd and 3rd line infested with these types is not really ideal. The Canucks are top heavy and that's not a good recipe when there's a Chara waiting to clamp down on your stars.
The Canucks also get a tremendous amount of offense from their defense.

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I'm not denying that they're great plumbers. Good for 4th line duty but having your 2nd and 3rd line infested with these types is not really ideal. The Canucks are top heavy and that's not a good recipe when there's a Chara waiting to clamp down on your stars.
Raymond is hardly a plumber, and watching Higgins play the way he has been, I'd love for him to keep that 2nd line position next year, if not.. maybe even a third.

If you think the lines are really this horrible, it's the same story with the Bruins defence. Some of those guy's wouldn't crack the Canucks lineup.

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Mason Raymond - Ryan Kesler - Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres - Maxim Lapierre - Yannick Hansen
Tanner Glass - Alexandre Bolduc - Cody Hodgson

This is Vancouver's bottom 9. Besides Kesler the rest are extremely average.

They would have a hard time cracking Boston's 4th line.
"Extremely average"

Raymond and Higgins have been beasts alongside Kesler, especially Higgins. Torres, Lapierre, and Hansen have been playing way above their contracts these whole playoffs. I remember people suggesting that they were going to get torn apart by the Sharks' 3rd line but the exact opposite happened. Glass, Bolduc, and Hodgson are extremely average, but they only play 5 minutes per game.

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Mason Raymond - Ryan Kesler - Chris Higgins
Raffi Torres - Maxim Lapierre - Yannick Hansen
Tanner Glass - Alexandre Bolduc - Cody Hodgson

This is Vancouver's bottom 9. Besides Kesler the rest are extremely average.

They would have a hard time cracking Boston's 4th line.
Not sure what planet you're living on where Brad Marchand and Mark Recchi are better than the Cancuks 2nd liners.

I'll admit that the Kelly-Seguin-Ryder line can likely outskill the Canucks 3rd line if they were put head to head but I'd like to see what happens when Raffi smashes one of their faces in.

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Think the same could be said about Boston's defense.

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Don't think anyone of them will make top-7 for the Canucks.
So Kaberle couldn't crack your top 7?

You' re right, Vancouver's D makes smarter decisions and is more mobile so we'll have to see whose strengths and weaknesses will be exposed.

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