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I really just wanted to make a proposal that involved Winnipeg because it sounds awesome. But, I think it could make sense. Winnipeg could really use a star to market their team around because Atlanta really doesn't have one. I don't think Carter will be moved, and I don't want to move him. But...
To Winnipeg-C Jeff Carter
To -RW Bryan Little, LW Carl Klingberg, 7th overall 2011
Winnipeg gets a star player to market, and the Flyers get cap space. Also, they get a much needed natural RW in Little that can slot in anywhere in our top 9. Klingberg fits the mold the Flyers are looking for exactly. Holmgren wants bigger forwards, and Klingberg is exactly that. I think he can be a Hartnell-like player, but being a much better skater and less dumb. The Flyers could get a guy like Strome, Murphy, Siemens, or Zibanejad with that pick and get needed talent in the system. Thoughts?
He's a solid player but that's probably a bit liberal with the use of the word "star."
He certainly, talent-wise, is. He gets lost in Philly due to other supreme talent. On the former-Thrashers, team, he'd absolutely be known more as a "star" player in the league.
A bit too steep a price to pay I think. Winnipeg doesn't do it. Maybe they consider it if the #7 pick is taken out of the deal. Flyers still get the cap space they covet.
In actuality, they can find other ways to make cap space if they absolutely need to.
A kid with a career high of 43 points in no star. Kane's got a lot of potential, but isn't going to sell jerseys. I like his game and he could be a star, but right now he's far from it. Ladd is the captain, and a great player. But, he's not the flashy star I think the franchise would want to market if they had Carter. It would be sort of like the old Oilers marketing Messier instead of Gretzky. There are no defensemen in the NHL you could market an entire team around right now if you ask me. Byfuglien and Enstrom are great, but not stars. Short of signing Brad Richards or hometown hero Teemu Selanne, Carter is the closest thing to a star Winnipeg could get(if the rumors of his availability are true).
A kid with a career high of 43 points in no star. Kane's got a lot of potential, but isn't going to sell jerseys. I like his game and he could be a star, but right now he's far from it. Ladd is the captain, and a great player. But, he's not the flashy star I think the franchise would want to market if they had Carter. It would be sort of like the old Oilers marketing Messier instead of Gretzky. There are no defensemen in the NHL you could market an entire team around right now if you ask me. Byfuglien and Enstrom are great, but not stars. Short of signing Brad Richards or hometown hero Teemu Selanne, Carter is the closest thing to a star Winnipeg could get(if the rumors of his availability are true).
You really think Kane won't sell jerseys? Look at Edmonton, Hall had 42 points, Eberle 43, and they both have tons of potential. I bet you'll find those jerseys all across the rink during game time. Kane is in the same boat as them, he's a fan favorite and the face of the franchise, I bet you the most common jersey in Atl right now is Kane's.
A kid with a career high of 43 points in no star. Kane's got a lot of potential, but isn't going to sell jerseys. I like his game and he could be a star, but right now he's far from it. Ladd is the captain, and a great player. But, he's not the flashy star I think the franchise would want to market if they had Carter. It would be sort of like the old Oilers marketing Messier instead of Gretzky. There are no defensemen in the NHL you could market an entire team around right now if you ask me. Byfuglien and Enstrom are great, but not stars. Short of signing Brad Richards or hometown hero Teemu Selanne, Carter is the closest thing to a star Winnipeg could get(if the rumors of his availability are true).
Soooo many things wrong with this post
Kane is only 20 years old .... How many career high points do you expect him to already have? 43 is a lot considering his age, and the amount of ice time he got.
You do not have to be flashy to be a star. Ladd may not be the ideal "superstar" but he is the captain of the team and a very good leader. He is definitely a player to build a team around.
If no defensemen can help market a team, then who is helping Nashville market? It sure in hell isn't any of their forwards. There are many defensemen who can help market a team; Doughty, Weber, Suter, Lidstrom, Byfuglien, etc.
Why does Winnipeg need an elite star for? I'd rather take their young budding stars than an older Richards and a close to retiring Selanne. Winnipeg would not need help marketing, they already have lots of fans who would watch them no matter what. That's why Thrashers relocated to Winnipeg, so they can make more profit.
Philly gets - Bryan Little, Chris Thorburn, Akim Aliu, 7th overall pick in 2011
Jeff Carter would be the biggest name and best offensive player, right now, that Winnipeg would have. Kane will be a star some day, Ladd, Enstrom, and Buffy are pretty good players. That said, Jeff Carter is a bigger name is a consistent 35+ goal scorer that their franchise could use both on the ice, and off it to market with a big move.
The Flyers are in a position where trading Carter makes sense for them, but it's like people are forgetting that he has scored 47, 33, and 36 goals the last three seasons, and was the last guy left off that loaded team Canada just a year ago.
For Philly, they clear some cap space to help in getting a goalie, get a decent young top 9 forward, a big tough depth winger which they could use, and a high draft pick. Aliu probably never makes the NHL, but the Flyers get him as a throw in and a project who could possibly develop into a physical depth winger.
Kane is only 20 years old .... How many career high points do you expect him to already have? 43 is a lot considering his age, and the amount of ice time he got.
Read my post again. I said he's young and has potential to be a star, but he isn't one now.
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You do not have to be flashy to be a star. Ladd may not be the ideal "superstar" but he is the captain of the team and a very good leader. He is definitely a player to build a team around.
True. But is Ladd good enough to be that guy? You can market guys like that, but I don't think Ladd is good enough.
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If no defensemen can help market a team, then who is helping Nashville market? It sure in hell isn't any of their forwards. There are many defensemen who can help market a team; Doughty, Weber, Suter, Lidstrom, Byfuglien, etc.
Again, read my post again. You're confusing franchise player with marketable star. Those guys can help market a team, but they can't be that face of a marketing campaign. Nashville doesn't really have a guy, Doughty is second fiddle to Kopitar, Zetterberg and Datsyuk are in Detroit, and Byfuglien just isn't that good. In the last 39 games, he had 12 points. He had a blazing start, and then hit a wall. He's not that good.
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Why does Winnipeg need an elite star for? I'd rather take their young budding stars than an older Richards and a close to retiring Selanne. Winnipeg would not need help marketing, they already have lots of fans who would watch them no matter what. That's why Thrashers relocated to Winnipeg, so they can make more profit.
They don't need one, but would you not want someone to be the face of your marketing campaign? People act like they're doing this just for marketing, but Carter fills what is by far the most glaring hole in their lineup, a #1 center. They don't have a top 6 center on their roster right now as far as I'm concerned.
Evander Kane should be a star in this league soon. Most knowledgable fans already know who he is and how good he could be.
In regards to the proposal, I'm not sold on Little at all. However, the value seems good if not titled in the Flyers favour. Little definitely puts me off though, but that's personnel opinion. I could say I still might do it 'cause the return is really good in comparison to other deals being proposed on these boards.
Furthermore, Carter won't/shouldn't be traded. So please, enough?
You really think Kane won't sell jerseys? Look at Edmonton, Hall had 42 points, Eberle 43, and they both have tons of potential. I bet you'll find those jerseys all across the rink during game time. Kane is in the same boat as them, he's a fan favorite and the face of the franchise, I bet you the most common jersey in Atl right now is Kane's.
Hall and Eberle came into the league with infinite more amounts of fanfare and publicity than Kane. Eberle was Mr. Canada and Hall was the #1 pick.
Philly gets - Bryan Little, Chris Thorburn, Akim Aliu, 7th overall pick in 2011
Jeff Carter would be the biggest name and best offensive player, right now, that Winnipeg would have. Kane will be a star some day, Ladd, Enstrom, and Buffy are pretty good players. That said, Jeff Carter is a bigger name is a consistent 35+ goal scorer that their franchise could use both on the ice, and off it to market with a big move.
The Flyers are in a position where trading Carter makes sense for them, but it's like people are forgetting that he has scored 47, 33, and 36 goals the last three seasons, and was the last guy left off that loaded team Canada just a year ago.
For Philly, they clear some cap space to help in getting a goalie, get a decent young top 9 forward, a big tough depth winger which they could use, and a high draft pick. Aliu probably never makes the NHL, but the Flyers get him as a throw in and a project who could possibly develop into a physical depth winger.
Win/win for both sides.
Enstrom and Buff are "pretty good" players? Oh good grief. Buff just put up 50 points as a defenseman after moving from forward.
Enstrom was a Norris contender all year till he got injured. Could have very easily finished top 5 in the voting if he wasn't injured. He basically ran that team when he was on the ice.
You misundertood my point / I didn't explain myself properly.
They are both excellent players. Neither one of them have been playing /producing at a consistently high level as long as Carter though, and neither one of them are bigger names or bring that "pop" with them that Jeff Carter does. Not to mention, put Jeff Carter on that "Thrashers" roster where he can play his natural position of center, and doesn't have to share time and the spotlight like he had to in Philly with their forward depth, and there is no question in my mind Carter is scoring 40+ goals and putting up 80+ points year in and year out.
Anyway, part of the TS's idea here was that a struggling franchise who is now moving to a new market would benefit from making a big move and bringing in a big time name, and Jeff Carter is that.
You misundertood my point / I didn't explain myself properly.
They are both excellent players. Neither one of them have been playing /producing at a consistently high level as long as Carter though, and neither one of them are bigger names or bring that "pop" with them that Jeff Carter does. Not to mention, put Jeff Carter on that "Thrashers" roster where he can play his natural position of center, and doesn't have to share time and the spotlight like he had to in Philly with their forward depth, and there is no question in my mind Carter is scoring 40+ goals and putting up 80+ points year in and year out.
Anyway, part of the TS's idea here was that a struggling franchise who is now moving to a new market would benefit from making a big move and bringing in a big time name, and Jeff Carter is that.
Couldn't have said it better myself. That was exactly the logic I was following with this.
-RW Bryan Little, LW Carl Klingberg, 7th overall 2011
Buff just put up 50 points as a defenseman after moving from forward.
