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05-28-2011, 10:23 AM
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Flipping picks with Ottawa

How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

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OTT 1st Round Pick 2011 (6th Overall)
OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

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NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.

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05-28-2011, 10:25 AM
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How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

To

OTT 1st Round Pick 2011 (6th Overall)
OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

To

NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.
Nope. Islanders will stay where they are and take the BPA. This is not the time to get creative. I imagine you make this proposal because you want Landeskog, but if he's available at 5, and the Islanders pass, they are insane.

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How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

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OTT 1st Round Pick 2011 (6th Overall)
OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

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NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.
As an Islander fan, I wouldn't move the pick for a third rounder in a weak draft with Landeskog onboard. Any trade would have to include Ottawa's 2nd first round pick (19th?) and the Islanders would trade one of their seconds (34th or 50th). I would just prefer the Islanders keep the pick and draft Landeskog unless a team wants to overpay.

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Never gonna happen, for the sole reason that it doesn't make any sense, IMHO. They are picking right after the Isles. Logically, if you trade down, it's because you think/know that your "guy" will be there. Therefore, if you swap picks with Ottawa, you expect them to pick someone else and in fact, that's what you are indicating them. So why would they trade up with you, since they could visibly have their guy by staying put at #6?

Of course, Garth has already fleeced Murray once, so maybe he could talk him into making an unnecessary trade...

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No. We are not in the business of fulfilling the Sens wants and needs for a pittance of a return.

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If Landeskog is around we grab him, a 3rd round pick should not change any ones mind

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05-28-2011, 10:55 AM
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No chance they trade the pick if they can take Landeskog or Couturier.

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Absolutely impossible to gauge this trade without knowing the first 4 picks and who the Isles value.

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How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

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OTT 1st Round Pick 2011 (6th Overall)
OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

To

NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.
If the isles are very high on a player still available,I can't see Snow passing up that prospect for an extra 3rd.Heck not even for an extra 2nd rounder.

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05-28-2011, 11:29 AM
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I would think about

5th and 35th for 6th and 21st

All that being said this depends who the Islanders want. if they can get the guy they want at 6th or 7th(this most likely assuming they want a defenseman) they should play off Ottawa and Atlanta for that 5th pick.

On the flip side if somehow(very unlikely) Landeskog falls to 5th I wouldn't trade the 5th for the 6th and 21st straight up.

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05-28-2011, 11:33 AM
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Never gonna happen, for the sole reason that it doesn't make any sense, IMHO. They are picking right after the Isles. Logically, if you trade down, it's because you think/know that your "guy" will be there. Therefore, if you swap picks with Ottawa, you expect them to pick someone else and in fact, that's what you are indicating them. So why would they trade up with you, since they could visibly have their guy by staying put at #6?

Of course, Garth has already fleeced Murray once, so maybe he could talk him into making an unnecessary trade...
I counter with another previous trade in Sens-Isles history:

Spezza
Chara
Muckalt

for

Yashin


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I counter with another previous trade in Sens-Isles history:

Spezza
Chara
Muckalt

for

Yashin

Ouch....That was two things......painful, and a Milbury trade. We haven't had a sucker for a GM in 5 years.

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I counter with another previous trade in Sens-Isles history:

Spezza
Chara
Muckalt

for

Yashin


You can yourself right off a cliff. And that's just to start.

Again the poster you responded to said "Snow fleeced Murray." You referenced a MILBURY deal...And Milbury neutralizes any argument you want to have since, if given the chance, Islander fans would do things to Milbury that would make the end of Braveheart look like a Purple Heart ceremony.

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No way. Espescially since we have a chance to get Landeskog, Huberdeau, or Couturier

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No way. Espescially since we have a chance to get Landeskog, Huberdeau, or Couturier

The question becomes 'what happens if 2 of them are there?' Lets say it goes 1-RNH 2-Larsson 3- Couturier 4-Hamilton with Landeskog and Huberdeau still available. Everybody knows that if Murray calls he wants Landeskog. What's the price to move down 1 spot and still get Huberdeau?

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I wouldn't rule out a trade but a third rounder probably doesn't get it done. We already have an extra second and the second pick in the third. Depending on what's left a 2nd may get it done.

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I counter with another previous trade in Sens-Isles history:

Spezza
Chara
Muckalt

for

Yashin

And then Muckler signed coke head Redden and let the Big Z walk for nothing...only to let Redden go later for nothing (around the same time sending Brooks Laich out of town), and not winning a cup along the way.


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The question becomes 'what happens if 2 of them are there?' Lets say it goes 1-RNH 2-Larsson 3- Couturier 4-Hamilton with Landeskog and Huberdeau still available. Everybody knows that if Murray calls he wants Landeskog. What's the price to move down 1 spot and still get Huberdeau?
Karlsson?
No but seriously, maybe Gonchar?

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How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

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OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

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NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.
Total pass on that like I do with my gas.

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Karlsson?
No but seriously, maybe Gonchar?
Ok we will throw in dehaan for Karlsson.

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Would Sens fans swap their pick for the 7th and a 3rd round pick? Don't think so.

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How willing would you be to move down one spot with the Ottawa Senators, down to 6th overall.

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OTT 1st Round Pick 2011 (6th Overall)
OTT 3rd Round Pick 2011 (66th Overall)

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NYI 1st Round Pick 2011 (5th Overall)

This is all if Landeskog or Couturier is available.
You basically answered your own proposal with the bold above as a resounding NO.

I'm interested in why you would think the Islanders would even consider this, especially with the attached condition in bold?

Do you really think that a 3rd is a sweetener at this point in the Islanders rebuild? If Ottawa wants a specific player bad enough to try to move from 6 to 5 to get him don't you think Garth would see this as a desperate act?

If Ottawa is dealing from a position of weakness wouldn't you think Garth would hold their feet to the fire?

No disrespect intended but I really am interested why you would think this even a rational idea?

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The question becomes 'what happens if 2 of them are there?' Lets say it goes 1-RNH 2-Larsson 3- Couturier 4-Hamilton with Landeskog and Huberdeau still available. Everybody knows that if Murray calls he wants Landeskog. What's the price to move down 1 spot and still get Huberdeau?
I think that old coot had a better chance of predicting doomsday, than this scenario happening. No way Huberdeau is there at #5. Just can't see it happening. He's just too damned good, and his playoffs have cemented a top 3 spot.

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IF, for some silly reason Landeskog is available at 5 all that means is there are at least 2 GM's on crack. Landeskog is at worst case the 3rd best player in this draft with only Larsson and RHN in the discussion with him in my opinion. If we passed on a top 3 talent at pick 5 then, I think there would be a lot of upset Islander fans..but hey thats nothing new right. Still, I dont think Garth will make that move. Landeskog is a first line player and we seriously lack on the top line too much to pass up a talent like that.

Now if youre telling me you want Couturier, and Hamilton or Larsson is somehow still available I would hope Garth might consider something because I do not like Couturier to the extent many do. Still, a 3rd round pick in a weak draft wouldnt even keep me on the phone. This draft is simply too weak once you get passed the top 50 or so picks.

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Absolutely impossible to gauge this trade without knowing the first 4 picks and who the Isles value.
This.

If the Isles have their sites set on one of the dmen (Hamilton, Murphy, Siemens) then I could see them flipping with Ottawa. If, on the other hand, the Isles think that Courturier is the bpa, they won't trade down.

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