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05-30-2011, 10:30 AM
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Hockey News Ranks Sabres #3 Franchise in the League

Found this on a slow news day. I haven't yet found the actual THN article, though it'll probably be in their next issue. Send this to Brad Richards! (at 12pm on July 1, of course )

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In their annual ranking of NHL franchises, the magazine has the Sabres rated just behind Detroit and Pittsburgh. Buffalo is ahead of teams such as the Blackhawks, Sharks, Flyers, Bruins and Canucks.
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The Hockey News uses nine categories, such as front office, ownership, playoff success, draft success, franchise value and attendance. Each category is ranked on a statistical formula. The Sabres received the maximum of 10 points for their front office, and attendance. They received the highest score among the 30 NHL teams for their draft success.
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The Islanders, Thrashers and Panthers were the three lowest ranked teams.
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Nice, I wonder where we would be without Pegula.

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It's interesting that the new front office gets such a high ranking after not even really having done anything substantial yet roster-wise.

I wouldn't rank the Sabres that high yet, at least not until they become a contender again (if and when that happens), but I'm all for positive press regarding the team.

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It's in the June 13th issue - ironically, the thing that many Sabre fans and media in Buffalo lament (the long tenure of Ruff and Regier) was credited under the "Front Office Continuity" as earning "high-water" marks, along with Detroit and Nashville. As they write:

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In order to be perennially competitive in today's NHL, you need a committed, deep-pocketed owner, a top level GM, an innovative and creative coach, a couple of superstars around whom to build, scouts who can find players in the late rounds and a steady stream of young players who can not only fill roster holes cheaply but make a tangible impact.
Rest of the article rankings, based on 2006-07 season to the present:

Front Office Continuity:
High water marks - Detroit, Buffalo, Nashville
Low water marks - New Jersey, Dallas, Tampa Bay

Attendance:
High water marks - 11 teams tied
Low water marks - Phoenix, Islanders, Atlanta

Regular Season:
High water marks - Detroit
Low water marks - Islanders

Future Watch:
High water marks - Los Angeles, Edmonton, Tampa Bay
Low water marks - Philadelphia, Minnesota, Toronto

Playoff Performance:
High water marks - Detroit
Low water marks - Toronto, Florida

Entry Draft Success:
High water marks - Buffalo
Low water marks - Islanders

Franchise Value:
High water marks - Philadelphia, Rangers, Toronto
Low water marks - Tampa Bay, Phoenix, Atlanta

Ownership:
High water marks - Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Carolina, Calgary
Low water marks - Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta

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It's interesting that the new front office gets such a high ranking after not even really having done anything substantial yet roster-wise.
THN explains that it's more a ranking of stability than of accomplishments (although Detroit qualifies on both counts) - that's why Buffalo and Nashville were the other two teams cited: they're the NHl teams with the two longest running GM-coach tenures.

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I would have ranked them around 24th or 25th. They have to prove and earn a ranking like this IMO.

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Entry Draft Success:
High water marks - Buffalo
Low water marks - Islanders
I have to disagree with this. I'm not sure if Buffalo should be the only team mentioned among the best in the league, although they have been able to build good prospect depth despite their lack of Top 10 picks.

But many of the good players on the Islanders were self-developed, and they have one of the best prospect groups in the league. I'm not sure how they can rank them in the bottom half of the league, let alone calling them the single worst.

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Future Watch:
Low water marks - Toronto
Haha who will yield to temptation and post this on their board?

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I have to disagree with this. I'm not sure if Buffalo should be the only team mentioned among the best in the league, although they have been able to build good prospect depth despite their lack of Top 10 picks.

But many of the good players on the Islanders were self-developed, and they have one of the best prospect groups in the league. I'm not sure how they can rank them in the bottom half of the league, let alone calling them the single worst.
The Isles have drafted alot better in the last 3 drafts, but before that their later round picks (not 1st rounders) that have become a top 4 d-man/scoring forwards (or great bottom liners)/starting goalies in the NHL have been rare. Active players that fitted or fit that description:
McCabe - 1993
Chara - 1996
Nielsen - 2002
Campoli - 2004
Comeau - 2004
MacDonald - 2006

(Martinek - 1999)
6 (7)

They've had so many high picks, so of course the talent they took with those picks was great on most parts. They've had four non top 10 1st round picks since Bertuzzi in '93 and they've all become busts or bottom line forwards: O'Marra, Nokelainen, Nilsson, Bergenheim.

I thought the Panthers drafted worse in those later rounds, but they imo have the better prospects right now. I guess it's hard to gague a lottery pick's "success" vs. a non-lotto pick's "success", but THN certainly considered draft position vs. output and compared to that the Isles have been at best average imo.

Compared to Sabres' non-first round drafting:
Curtis Brown - 1994
Sarich - 1996
Tallinder - 1997
Afinogenov - 1997
Campbell - 1997
Miller - 1999
Roy - 2001
Pominville - 2001
Wideman 2002
MacArthur - 2003
Hejda - 2003
Sekera - 2004

(Nichol - 1993)
(Kotalik - 1998)
(Gaustad - 2000)
(Gerbe - 2005)
12 (16)

I'm not sure I'd call them the best, but they did draft most of their core in the later rounds and there are/were some legimitate top-line players + Miller in there (Sarich, Tallinder, Campbell, Miller, Roy, Pominville, maybe Wideman). I could definitely see THN weighing draft position pretty significantly. The busts that they picked under Regier also have been non top 10 picks, so they didn't weigh in on the overall performance that high and their success with Myers/Ennis, two relatively late picks, certainly played some role too.


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I would have ranked them around 24th or 25th. They have to prove and earn a ranking like this IMO.
Actually if you just look at the regular season and playoff records since 2006 Im sure they are top 10 in winning.

They just dont have the prize yet.

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Third seems lofty, but hey, it's another positive to pile on top of many and maybe it'll aid in the recruitment of Richards. Every little bit helps.

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Nice, I wonder where we would be without Pegula.
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Third seems lofty, but hey, it's another positive to pile on top of many and maybe it'll aid in the recruitment of Richards. Every little bit helps.
you're grasping at straws a bit here.

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you're grasping at straws a bit here.
Probably. But it helps more than being ranked toward the bottom.

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I wonder how much Pegula bribed the author.

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I have to disagree with this. I'm not sure if Buffalo should be the only team mentioned among the best in the league, although they have been able to build good prospect depth despite their lack of Top 10 picks.
If you take into account two other statistical trackings over time that THN's Draft Preview issue outline, it justifies the Sabres' ranking:

1. Buffalo and San Jose lead the NHL in average number of homegrown players per season since the lockout (12.0 each).

2. Buffalo is 4th in the NHL with a .783 success pctg. for 2nd round picks making the NHL (be it with Buffalo or another team they may have been traded to) between 1985 - 2004 with 11 of their 23 picks in those 20 years playing at least 200 games in the NHL. Montreal (.870, 12 of 23), San Jose (.818, 5 of 11) and Detroit (.800, 9 of 20) were ahead of the Sabres.

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But many of the good players on the Islanders were self-developed, and they have one of the best prospect groups in the league. I'm not sure how they can rank them in the bottom half of the league, let alone calling them the single worst.
Not since the lockout they weren't - that same THN article showed that only 5.7 players per year since 2005 were homegrown, putting the Islanders at 26th in the league.

However, in that 2nd round pick success stat, the Islanders are 6th overall with a .737 success pctg. of picks that played 200+ games.

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I disagree a lot more with the Islanders ranking than the Sabres ranking.

Since the lockout they have:

John Tavares
Kyle Okposo
Travis Hamonic
Andrew MacDonald
Josh Bailey

All very good players (maybe not Bailey right now) on a team that should only get better. And like I said they have one of the best prospect groups in the league.

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Actually if you just look at the regular season and playoff records since 2006 Im sure they are top 10 in winning.

They just dont have the prize yet.
From 2005-06 to 2009-10:

1. Detroit - 566 pts (257-101-52)
2. San Jose - 544 pts (248-114-48)
3. New Jersey - 516 pts (240-134-36)
4. Buffalo - 504 pts (230-136-44)
5. Nashville - 495 pts (228-143-39)
6. Anaheim - 490 pts (219-139-52)
7. Vancouver - 488 pts (224-146-40)
8. Dallas - 487 pts (221-144-45)
9. Ottawa - 487 pts (222-144-43)
10. Calgary - 481 pts (217-146-47)
11. NY Rangers - 473 pts (209-146-55)
12. Carolina - 469 pts (215-156-39)
13. Montreal - 468 pts (211-153-46)
14. Pittsburgh - 465 pts (208-153-49)
15. Washington - 463 pts (204-151-55)
16. Minnesota - 459 pts (208-159-43)
17. Boston - 451 pts (197-156-57)
18. Colorado - 449 pts (206-167-37)
19. Chicago - 440 pts (195-165-50)
20. Philadelphia - 439 pts (194-165-51)
21. Florida - 426 pts (183-167-60)
22. Atlanta - 422 pts (188-176-46)
23. Toronto - 419 pts (181-172-57)
24. Phoenix - 417 pts (193-186-31)
25. Tampa Bay - 402 pts (176-184-50)
26. Los Angeles - 408 pts (181-183-46)
27. Edmonton - 401 pts (179-188-43)
28. St. Louis - 399 pts (169-180-61)
29. Columbus - 398 pts (175-187-48)
30. NY Islanders - 389 pts (171-192-47)

Stats are what they are but, if part of the "stability" that Richards wants in any team is not only committed ownership but proven ability to compete every season as a top team, certainly the Sabres have been the 4th most consistent team since the lockout. Compare that to the other teams (in red) that Richards' name has been linked to in the rumor mill.

Of those top 10 teams since the lockout, only 2 - Detroit and Anaheim - have won the Cup.

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From 2005-06 to 2009-10:

1. Detroit - 566 pts (257-101-52)
2. San Jose - 544 pts (248-114-48)
3. New Jersey - 516 pts (240-134-36)
4. Buffalo - 504 pts (230-136-44)
5. Nashville - 495 pts (228-143-39)
6. Anaheim - 490 pts (219-139-52)
7. Vancouver - 488 pts (224-146-40)
8. Dallas - 487 pts (221-144-45)
9. Ottawa - 487 pts (222-144-43)
10. Calgary - 481 pts (217-146-47)
11. NY Rangers - 473 pts (209-146-55)
12. Carolina - 469 pts (215-156-39)
13. Montreal - 468 pts (211-153-46)
14. Pittsburgh - 465 pts (208-153-49)
15. Washington - 463 pts (204-151-55)
16. Minnesota - 459 pts (208-159-43)
17. Boston - 451 pts (197-156-57)
18. Colorado - 449 pts (206-167-37)
19. Chicago - 440 pts (195-165-50)
20. Philadelphia - 439 pts (194-165-51)
21. Florida - 426 pts (183-167-60)
22. Atlanta - 422 pts (188-176-46)
23. Toronto - 419 pts (181-172-57)
24. Phoenix - 417 pts (193-186-31)
25. Tampa Bay - 402 pts (176-184-50)
26. Los Angeles - 408 pts (181-183-46)
27. Edmonton - 401 pts (179-188-43)
28. St. Louis - 399 pts (169-180-61)
29. Columbus - 398 pts (175-187-48)
30. NY Islanders - 389 pts (171-192-47)

Stats are what they are but, if part of the "stability" that Richards wants in any team is not only committed ownership but proven ability to compete every season as a top team, certainly the Sabres have been the 4th most consistent team since the lockout. Compare that to the other teams (in red) that Richards' name has been linked to in the rumor mill.

Of those top 10 teams since the lockout, only 2 - Detroit and Anaheim - have won the Cup.
If you update those standings with this year's regular season, the Canucks would leap frog the Sabres and Devils into 3rd place, and the Sabres would pass New Jersey as well to remain in 4th.

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From 2005-06 to 2009-10:

1. Detroit - 566 pts (257-101-52)
2. San Jose - 544 pts (248-114-48)
3. New Jersey - 516 pts (240-134-36)
4. Buffalo - 504 pts (230-136-44)
5. Nashville - 495 pts (228-143-39)
6. Anaheim - 490 pts (219-139-52)
7. Vancouver - 488 pts (224-146-40)
8. Dallas - 487 pts (221-144-45)
9. Ottawa - 487 pts (222-144-43)
10. Calgary - 481 pts (217-146-47)
11. NY Rangers - 473 pts (209-146-55)
12. Carolina - 469 pts (215-156-39)
13. Montreal - 468 pts (211-153-46)
14. Pittsburgh - 465 pts (208-153-49)
15. Washington - 463 pts (204-151-55)
16. Minnesota - 459 pts (208-159-43)
17. Boston - 451 pts (197-156-57)
18. Colorado - 449 pts (206-167-37)
19. Chicago - 440 pts (195-165-50)
20. Philadelphia - 439 pts (194-165-51)
21. Florida - 426 pts (183-167-60)
22. Atlanta - 422 pts (188-176-46)
23. Toronto - 419 pts (181-172-57)
24. Phoenix - 417 pts (193-186-31)
25. Tampa Bay - 402 pts (176-184-50)
26. Los Angeles - 408 pts (181-183-46)
27. Edmonton - 401 pts (179-188-43)
28. St. Louis - 399 pts (169-180-61)
29. Columbus - 398 pts (175-187-48)
30. NY Islanders - 389 pts (171-192-47)

Stats are what they are but, if part of the "stability" that Richards wants in any team is not only committed ownership but proven ability to compete every season as a top team, certainly the Sabres have been the 4th most consistent team since the lockout. Compare that to the other teams (in red) that Richards' name has been linked to in the rumor mill.

Of those top 10 teams since the lockout, only 2 - Detroit and Anaheim - have won the Cup.
That right there pretty much sums up the ranking.

I think Larry Quinn mentioned this once or 100 times.

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This is a strange way to measure franchises. When I saw Buffalo #3 I'd imagined it would be behind Toronto and Montreal.

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I think Larry Quinn mentioned this once or 100 times.
He always wanted everyone to remember the Conference champions, and his role with them, more than the playoff absentees. Golisano did the same thing in his farewell press conference.

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