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Hagman is only worth a 4th at this point, you are right.
But of our players who have completely underperformed: Stajan, Hagman and Kotalik. I still like Hagman the most. I think it might be worth giving him another shot on the Flames. If we can't move Stajan and Kotalik decides to stick around, then sure.
I just think that Hagman is the most likely to bounce back next year out of the three.
Not interest, especially after the year he had. Montreal may have cap space, but over the next couple of years they also have players that will likely need raises. Its unlikely they take on a bad contract without dumping one as well (on Calgary or somewhere else).
What about something in a different direction like:
Spacek
for
Sarich
Straight up.
I think it helps both squads. Offensive vet expeirence on the backend. Montreal needs a physical dman like Sarich and its just a one year thing for both players.
I think Sarich would be a piece that I would have in out lineup and Spacek could fill an offensive shot on the PP. With Staios gone and Sarich leaving in this deal, I think it could work overall for both squads.
Markov Emelin
Gill Subban
Gorges Sarich
Weber
Bouwmeester Regehr
Giordano Babchuk
Spacek ????
Carson/ Mikkelson
Calgary would have 3 offensive guys in Giordano/Babchuk/Spacek and Bouwmeester and Regher playing shutdown roles.
Montreal would have 3 offensive in Markov/Subban/Weber and shutdown in Gill/Gorges/Emelin/Sarich.
no interest from Montreal at all unless the flames were taking Spacek back, which they obviously would not.
Hagman would be a decent top-9 addition, but he doesn't particularly give the habs anything more than they already have (softish, inconsistent winger), and definitely not at a 3M$ cap hit.
He could be a decent fit on the third line. Problem is, probably a better 3rd line forward could be had for cheaper as a UFA. Flames would be giving up a pick rather than receiving in this scenario. I wouldn't see it working unless Montreal strikes out in free agency and has some extra cash to add to the forward group.
What about something in a different direction like:
Spacek
for
Sarich
Straight up.
I think it helps both squads. Offensive vet expeirence on the backend. Montreal needs a physical dman like Sarich and its just a one year thing for both players.
I think Sarich would be a piece that I would have in out lineup and Spacek could fill an offensive shot on the PP. With Staios gone and Sarich leaving in this deal, I think it could work overall for both squads.
Markov Emelin
Gill Subban
Gorges Sarich
Weber
Bouwmeester Regehr
Giordano Babchuk
Spacek ????
Carson/ Mikkelson
Calgary would have 3 offensive guys in Giordano/Babchuk/Spacek and Bouwmeester and Regher playing shutdown roles.
Montreal would have 3 offensive in Markov/Subban/Weber and shutdown in Gill/Gorges/Emelin/Sarich.
Calgary could possibly consider it, but we're much better off saying no. Problem is that Babchuk is on the verge of being a 2nd pairing defenseman, but he's so much better on the 3rd pairing/PP while being sheltered.
With that being said between Sarich and Spacek, Calgary will pick Sarich everytime. While not the fleet of foot, his physicality is still invaluable. Spacek doesn't bring enough for to consider moving Sarich/bringing back Babchuk.
To clarify, Hagman just has one more year left on his contract. This really is a very low risk, high reward move for the Habs. They basically get Hagman for next to nothing, they have the cap space for him, if he doesn't work out then they can let him walk at the end of next season. If it does work out, they get possibly a 25-30 goal scorer, who is gritty and also matches their style of play. Of all teams I can think of, I think Hagman would probably fit in best on Montreal.
And as someone else mentioned, this will hinder your ability to resign PK and Price.
3 million for a 20ish + goal scorer is not bad value, and when he is not scoring Hagman is still a very useful player.
I wouldn't consider this before August. Have to see what's on the market and how our payroll for important players has shaped up first. I think the odds are pretty good you can find a "leftover" UFA in early August that is about as good as Hagman, for about 1/3rd the cost. So it's pretty doubtful that Hagman would be a sensible acquisition. But I like him as a player, and if for some reason we did start approaching training camp with $5M of cap space free and nowhere better to spend, then ok. Perhaps some other teams will be waiving some other uncomfortable contracts to get cap compliant near the start of the season, however. So it might be worth holding off even longer if we did somehow have all that cap space sitting unused.
To clarify, Hagman just has one more year left on his contract. This really is a very low risk, high reward move for the Habs. They basically get Hagman for next to nothing, they have the cap space for him, if he doesn't work out then they can let him walk at the end of next season. If it does work out, they get possibly a 25-30 goal scorer, who is gritty and also matches their style of play. Of all teams I can think of, I think Hagman would probably fit in best on Montreal.
And as someone else mentioned, this will hinder your ability to resign PK and Price.
3 million for a 20ish + goal scorer is not bad value, and when he is not scoring Hagman is still a very useful player.
Honestly I don't get this part. After this contract Subban won't be going straight to 5 mill a year unless it's a 17 year deal. Spacek's contract alone expiring will cover Subban and at least half of Price's raise. Then we gain 1.5 from Moen which should cover the rest of Price's raise. That's assuming we even spend to the cap this year. We have 30 million cap space and really only Markov and Kostitsyn will be taking chunks out of that. The rest are for depth signings and POSSIBLY Wiz or a free agent forward.
That being said I would do this deal for 2011 4th rounder since I don't particularly care for this draft. Heck I'll even throw in Carle(poor guy deserves an NHL chance but we have no room and he's been passed on the depth chart) for a lesser Calgary prospect like any of them but Erixon lol. Nick Larson I guess since this team loves Americans playing college hockey.
To clarify, Hagman just has one more year left on his contract. This really is a very low risk, high reward move for the Habs. They basically get Hagman for next to nothing, they have the cap space for him, if he doesn't work out then they can let him walk at the end of next season. If it does work out, they get possibly a 25-30 goal scorer, who is gritty and also matches their style of play. Of all teams I can think of, I think Hagman would probably fit in best on Montreal.
And as someone else mentioned, this will hinder your ability to resign PK and Price.
3 million for a 20ish + goal scorer is not bad value, and when he is not scoring Hagman is still a very useful player.
I could see a Hagman, Sarich for Spacek, Draft pick, Montreal gets to move Spacek and Calgary saves 3m
Honestly I don't get this part. After this contract Subban won't be going straight to 5 mill a year unless it's a 17 year deal. Spacek's contract alone expiring will cover Subban and at least half of Price's raise. Then we gain 1.5 from Moen which should cover the rest of Price's raise. That's assuming we even spend to the cap this year. We have 30 million cap space and really only Markov and Kostitsyn will be taking chunks out of that. The rest are for depth signings and POSSIBLY Wiz or a free agent forward.
That being said I would do this deal for 2011 4th rounder since I don't particularly care for this draft. Heck I'll even throw in Carle(poor guy deserves an NHL chance but we have no room and he's been passed on the depth chart) for a lesser Calgary prospect like any of them but Erixon lol. Nick Larson I guess since this team loves Americans playing college hockey.
My apologies, I actually meant to say this will not hinder. It was 2am when I was typing that. For the record, you are completely right with everything you said.
I could see a Hagman, Sarich for Spacek, Draft pick, Montreal gets to move Spacek and Calgary saves 3m
Make the pick a 3rd round and you have a deal. We will likely lose the Anton this year, so that will definitely hurt our PP. Spacek would help to pick up the slack, you could have something here.
To clarify, Hagman just has one more year left on his contract. This really is a very low risk, high reward move for the Habs. They basically get Hagman for next to nothing, they have the cap space for him, if he doesn't work out then they can let him walk at the end of next season. If it does work out, they get possibly a 25-30 goal scorer, who is gritty and also matches their style of play. Of all teams I can think of, I think Hagman would probably fit in best on Montreal.
And as someone else mentioned, this will hinder your ability to resign PK and Price.
3 million for a 20ish + goal scorer is not bad value, and when he is not scoring Hagman is still a very useful player.
Its one I'd absolutely use. He is a very skilled player, but despite his lack of size Hagman goes to the tough areas, mixes it up and gets his nose dirty. Hagman is a quite a versatile player and does play with a chip on shoulder at times. Grit is definitely one of many words I would use to describe Hagman's game.
Its one I'd absolutely use. He is a very skilled player, but despite his lack of size Hagman goes to the tough areas, mixes it up and gets his nose dirty. Hagman is a quite a versatile player and does play with a chip on shoulder at times. Grit is definitely one of many words I would use to describe Hagman's game.
Personally I don't see it, he's not a perimeter player but I wouldn't describe him a gritty.
