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05-30-2011, 07:35 AM
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Kings/Ducks

Penner
Stoll
Forbort
Toffoli
2012 first

4

Ryan
Etem


Value okay?

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05-30-2011, 07:52 AM
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Penner
Stoll
Forbort
Toffoli
2012 first

4

Ryan
Etem


Value okay?
Get rid of Etem and add from LA. There isn't enough value to get Ryan. Something around Schenn+Simmonds+1st+ is about fair value imo.

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Nintendo broken ?

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Anaheim aren't going to deal Ryan for depth.

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05-30-2011, 08:23 AM
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Yeah don't see this happening. Just hoping BM adds a third line center and we don't need to trade Ryan to a rival.

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05-30-2011, 08:27 AM
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Penner is garbage as well. This deal is not good.

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05-30-2011, 09:01 AM
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could anything sweeten the pot?
take any one not named:
Kopitar
Doughty
JMFJ
Quick
Brown
Williams
Bernier
Schenn
Simmonds
Clifford
Loktionov
Lewis
Greene

?????
I know its a long list of most of the "value" players but I'd give up everything not on that list + the original offer.

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05-30-2011, 09:03 AM
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could anything sweeten the pot?
take any one not named:
Kopitar
Doughty
JMFJ
Quick
Brown
Williams
Bernier
Schenn
Simmonds
Clifford
Loktionov
Lewis
Greene

?????
I know its a long list of most of the "value" players but I'd give up everything not on that list + the original offer.
If that's your list of untouchables then No nothing could sweeten the pot.

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05-30-2011, 09:04 AM
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could anything sweeten the pot?
take any one not named:
Kopitar
Doughty
JMFJ
Quick
Brown
Williams
Bernier
Schenn
Simmonds
Clifford
Loktionov
Lewis
Greene

?????
I know its a long list of most of the "value" players but I'd give up everything not on that list + the original offer.
yeah if ur not even going to give up clifford, greene, or lewis than it will be impossible to make this deal go through

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05-30-2011, 09:07 AM
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To get Bobby Ryan, one of LA's top line caliber forwards would have to be coming back. And they'd be there as sweetener, not as the meat of the deal, which would probably have to be some pretty hefty futures.

Something like:

Brown + Bernier + Toffoli + 1st and 2nd round draft picks

... could work if the two teams weren't in fact division rivals and the Ducks had some reason to need to get rid of Ryan. Since neither's true, this trade won't happen.

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05-30-2011, 09:11 AM
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To get Bobby Ryan, one of LA's top line caliber forwards would have to be coming back. And they'd be there as sweetener, not as the meat of the deal, which would probably have to be some pretty hefty futures.

Something like:

Brown + Bernier + Toffoli + 1st and 2nd round draft picks

... could work if the two teams weren't in fact division rivals and the Ducks had some reason to need to get rid of Ryan. Since neither's true, this trade won't happen.
yeah thats true what u said
but what i dont understand is why would the ducks need bernier? they already have hiiler, unless the ducks would throw him in a deal....

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05-30-2011, 10:08 AM
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since the 1st pretty much = Etem

Penner, Stoll, Toffoli and Forbort for Ryan seems like pretty fair value, a 30 goal scorer, a solid 2nd line C, the top scorer from the CHL this year, and a highly regarded prospect for a young 30 goal scorer. The deal gives the Ducks an instant replacement for Ryan in Penner, they get a 2nd line C which they need, they get a top D prospect which they need and they get a nice Wing prospect

I guess i just dont see whats so bad about this deal that people think the Kings need to add more

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05-30-2011, 10:51 AM
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2012 1st doesn't equal Etem and Penner's more of a 25 goal scorer than a 30 goal scorer.

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05-30-2011, 10:56 AM
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Lol This is like me asking the Oilers to Trade Eberle or Hall to the flames for Olli Jokinen, Matt Stajan, TJ Brodie, Ryan Howse and our 2012 pick. A bunch of okay pieces aren't going to get you a great piece, especially not from your biggest Rival

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05-30-2011, 10:59 AM
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could anything sweeten the pot?
take any one not named:
Kopitar
Doughty
JMFJ
Quick
Brown
Williams
Bernier
Schenn
Simmonds
Clifford
Loktionov
Lewis
Greene


?????
I know its a long list of most of the "value" players but I'd give up everything not on that list + the original offer.
I would give up a lot of the bolded guys together in a package for Ryan.

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05-30-2011, 11:21 AM
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since the 1st pretty much = Etem

Penner, Stoll, Toffoli and Forbort for Ryan seems like pretty fair value, a 30 goal scorer, a solid 2nd line C, the top scorer from the CHL this year, and a highly regarded prospect for a young 30 goal scorer. The deal gives the Ducks an instant replacement for Ryan in Penner, they get a 2nd line C which they need, they get a top D prospect which they need and they get a nice Wing prospect

I guess i just dont see whats so bad about this deal that people think the Kings need to add more
I don't think Ryan and Penner is that much of a wash. And we have Koivu centering Selanne so don't really need to trade Ryan to get one.

I would rather wait till Penner is a UFA and sign him. We could address our center issue then through FA or hopefully Holland would be ready.


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05-30-2011, 11:59 AM
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We would need Schenn+ and Lombardi wouldn't do that, smartly. I really don't think Murray would either.

Ryan isn't leaving for a long, long time.

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Ducks need a 2nd line center. We have Loktionov and Schenn who project to be that player, and both are also prospects so they won't be helping the Ducks much right now. Even then, we have to add. On top of that, we ALSO need a 2nd line center.

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Fans have to realize you cant just add unwanted players and expect to get a top player.

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05-30-2011, 12:59 PM
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Terrible for the Ducks, you simply can't propose a trade for a player like Ryan and have that many untouchables. Plus, to get Ryan in LA you are going to have severely overpay.

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Schenn
Forbort
Toffoli
+ salary

Just gets you in the ballpark for Bobby Ryan.

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Schenn
Forbort
Toffoli
+ salary

Just gets you in the ballpark for Bobby Ryan.
how awful would it be to watch our prospects bite back and embaress us 4 times a year playing for our closest rival. oh the pain and humiliation.

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05-30-2011, 02:02 PM
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trading ryan = overpay
trading ryan to a divison rival = you have to RIDICULOUSLY overpay...

especialy considering we just signed ryan to a great 5 year contract... no way are we trading him unless he either A.) Asks for it or B.) someone ridiculously overpays..

if you want ryan you HAVE to include schenn for sure..

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Penner
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Forbort
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2012 first

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Ryan
Etem


Value okay?

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