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06-10-2011, 09:30 AM
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I'd accept it only if Carle is coming back as well, personally. Futures-for-current always involves dome degree of downgrade, and I have hopes that Carle+Methot could prove an effective second pairing.
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starting to sound like I might have been pretty close if it goes down
Starting to sound as if HFBoards is the "source" of all these rumors.

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Would you do

Carter & Carle for Voracek, Moore & the 8th overall?

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Would you do

Carter & Carle for Voracek, Moore & the 8th overall?
No defenseman prospect that could make the team next year is going to be traded. That means no Moore and no Savard.

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No defenseman prospect that could make the team next year is going to be traded. That means no Moore and no Savard.
I then think something would have to be added on top of...


Carter & Carle for Voracek, Cody Golobeuf & the 8th overall..


Nothing out of context of course.

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06-10-2011, 10:23 AM
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I then think something would have to be added on top of...


Carter & Carle for Voracek, Cody Golobeuf & the 8th overall..


Nothing out of context of course.
Whatever for? Carter for 8th+Voracek is more than fair, and Carle for Goloubef is a potential talent upgrade in the future and a bigger cap saver.

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06-10-2011, 10:41 AM
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I then think something would have to be added on top of...


Carter & Carle for Voracek, Cody Golobeuf & the 8th overall..


Nothing out of context of course.
Flyers could add Versteeg, too, then, if they wanted.

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06-10-2011, 10:58 AM
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and Carle for Goloubef is a potential talent upgrade in the future and a bigger cap saver.
That's ridiculous. Absolutely absurd. Too much prospect love.

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That's ridiculous. Absolutely absurd. Too much prospect love.
I take it you've never actually seen him play.

You might have a case there if I was trying to sell you on Regner or Sigalet, but Cody is one of our Big Three. He doesn't get the press that Savard or Moore do, but he's right up there with them. He just needs more development time.

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I take it you've never actually seen him play.

You might have a case there if I was trying to sell you on Regner or Sigalet, but Cody is one of our Big Three. He doesn't get the press that Savard or Moore do, but he's right up there with them. He just needs more development time.
Good keep him. I do not want to move Jeff at all period

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06-10-2011, 12:06 PM
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Good keep him. I do not want to move Jeff at all period
Since when was he the centerpiece for Carter? I was talking about Carle there. The centerpieces for Carter remain Voracek and the 8th.

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06-10-2011, 12:28 PM
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Good keep him. I do not want to move Jeff at all period
I can't blame any Flyer fan who feels this way. Carter is a tremendous player, arguably the most talented forward on the roster.

I also can't blame an CBJ fan who doesn't want to trade Voracek. By the time he's 24-25 he has a good chance to be a perennial All Star.

Neither team would do these trades if not for desperation. I understand after the Flyers lost to Boston, Snider supposedly let Homer have it for not handling the goalie situation. I've heard Snider was embarrassed. Columbus has to make some moves to ignite fan hope and interest. Howson's patient approach has not been well received. Plenty of fans support his style, but attendance has dropped significantly since Howson arrived. He needs the kind of excitement Taylor Hall brought to Edmonton or Stamkos brought to Tampa.

There's enough pressure on both GMs that they make likely trading partners, neither is in a position to rip the other off.

I think these teams may do a deal, I'l be a bit surprised if Voracek is in the deal, and I'll be SHOCKED if Carter is. I think we might see something like Versteeg and Carle for picks/prospects or player(s) on an entry level contract.

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I think the Flyers go after Erik Cole/Jussi Jokinen and Patrick Thoresen. They might also try to have two scoring lines, traditional third line and a checking line instead of three scoring lines...
i had also hoped to see thor on the 3rd/4th line, but he just signed a 2 year deal in the khl within the past week or so.

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I think these teams may do a deal, I'l be a bit surprised if Voracek is in the deal, and I'll be SHOCKED if Carter is. I think we might see something like Versteeg and Carle for picks/prospects or player(s) on an entry level contract.
This. Honestly, at this point I keep talking about Carter deals only because I'm certain the CBJ board will get overwhelmed by "OMFG HOWSON DIDNT GET IT DONE FIRE HIM FIRE HIM NOW" mishegaas as soon as no Carter deal goes down and so talking about it more makes me wonder if it's more feasible.

...that said, the more I look at it the less reasonable I think it is, and I figure we ought to just stick to poaching some blueline depth and leave it at that.

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I think we might see something like Versteeg and Carle for picks/prospects or player(s) on an entry level contract.
You have no idea how happy I'd be for this.

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I think these teams may do a deal, I'l be a bit surprised if Voracek is in the deal, and I'll be SHOCKED if Carter is. I think we might see something like Versteeg and Carle for picks/prospects or player(s) on an entry level contract.
My biggest fear is that its going to be Versteeg/Carle deal around the 8th overall pick. The "defensive" help needed for the top 10 draft pick.

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This. Honestly, at this point I keep talking about Carter deals only because I'm certain the CBJ board will get overwhelmed by "OMFG HOWSON DIDNT GET IT DONE FIRE HIM FIRE HIM NOW" mishegaas as soon as no Carter deal goes down and so talking about it more makes me wonder if it's more feasible.

...that said, the more I look at it the less reasonable I think it is, and I figure we ought to just stick to poaching some blueline depth and leave it at that.
Are you accusing me of thinking logically?

Are you trying to get me banned? What did I ever do to you?

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06-10-2011, 02:16 PM
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Are you accusing me of thinking logically?

Are you trying to get me banned? What did I ever do to you?
Absolutely not. I merely accuse you of reaching a logical conclusion. Whether or not that arrived from a logical thought process is entirely your affair.

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I'd accept it only if Carle is coming back as well, personally. Futures-for-current always involves dome degree of downgrade, and I have hopes that Carle+Methot could prove an effective second pairing.
Good luck with that.

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This is a great trade. Columbus has a legit first line with carter and Nash.

Flyers have:
JVR -Briere -Versteeg
Leino-Giroux -Zherdev
Hartnell-Richards - Voracek

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06-23-2011, 03:57 PM
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Well, sub a 3rd round pick for Goloubef and I was damn close.

Still a good trade both ways. Didnt make sense to trade Richards too. and people need to remember this draft isnt great, so the Blue Jackets made the move they had to make

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