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05-31-2011, 01:33 AM
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How good was Mike Bullard ?

Had good numbers before Mario came in (pause) and great in Calgary. Even decent in Philly, what kind of player he was in the 80's ?

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His talk show sucked

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Didn't watch the guy and don't really remember his uneventful stay in Toronto, but from MLD/AAA/AA draft research, it looks like the book on Bullard was that he was a very talented goalscoring center who didn't have great playmaking skills (which made him rare right away), was a scrappy, gritty player, and had a defensive reputation that was very bad. He put up a lot of points on some bad teams.

He was 11th in points in 1988 with a strong Calgary team - this was probably the high point of his career. He scored 92 points and was -33 on the 1984 Penguins that "earned" Mario Lemieux.

He scored 63+ points eight times, at a time when a lot of people were scoring 60+ points. Aside from placing 11th in scoring, he was 22nd in 1984 and 27th in 1986. In his other 63-66-point seasons he placed 63rd-90th in scoring. I get the impression based on his skill set and results, that aside from 1988, he could be a top line scorer on a bad team but would be most effective as the secondary scorer on a good team, and never had that chance, aside from maybe when he was on the 1989 Flyers and tied for 4th in team scoring in their conference finals run.

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He scored 63+ points eight times, at a time when a lot of people were scoring 60+ points. Aside from placing 11th in scoring, he was 22nd in 1984 and 27th in 1986. In his other 63-66-point seasons he placed 63rd-90th in scoring. I get the impression based on his skill set and results, that aside from 1988, he could be a top line scorer on a bad team but would be most effective as the secondary scorer on a good team, and never had that chance, aside from maybe when he was on the 1989 Flyers and tied for 4th in team scoring in their conference finals run.
This matches my impression of him. He had some skills but would be overexposed on the first line of a good team.

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You get the impression that he was a good player on a bad team, but not quite as good on better teams, which is normal for a lot of players.

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Interesting that he went to Europe as a former 100 point NHL scorer and actually had a very lengthy career there. He must be the best ever former NHL player to have ended up in the German league for a lengthy period of time.

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Goal scoring first center. His shot was his primary asset. Good on the PP, not afraid to play in traffic.

Often was a #1 center for poor teams.

With his skill set, he ideally would have been a 2nd line winger on a high level team.

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Interesting that he went to Europe as a former 100 point NHL scorer and actually had a very lengthy career there. He must be the best ever former NHL player to have ended up in the German league for a lengthy period of time.
I would say Robert Reichel was far better forward than Bullard. He played for Frankfurt Lions after his back-to-back 40 goals seasons.

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I would say Robert Reichel was far better forward than Bullard. He played for Frankfurt Lions after his back-to-back 40 goals seasons.
Yeah, but Bullard played there for 11 years, Reichel was there for one and a half seasons.

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After he fell through the ATD, MLD and AAA, I picked him up as a good value in the Double-A draft on the All-Time Draft subboard here at HfBoards.



Mike Bullard scored 329 NHL goals in only 727 games, making him Top-50 all time in NHL career goals per game, in the middle of good company:

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40. Luc Robitaille 0.467
41. Peter Bondra 0.465
42. Bill Barber 0.465
43. Keith Tkachuk 0.464
44. Roy Conacher 0.461
45. Peter Stastny 0.461
46. Steve Yzerman 0.457
47. Steve Shutt 0.456
48. Joe Sakic 0.454
49. Gordie Howe 0.453
50. Mike Bullard 0.453
51. Frank Mahovlich 0.451
52. Jean Beliveau 0.451
53. Paul MacLean 0.451
54. Lanny McDonald 0.450
55. Paul Gardner 0.450
56. Joe Nieuwendyk 0.449
57. Rick Middleton 0.446
58. Bernie Geoffrion 0.445
59. Yvan Cournoyer 0.442
60. Darryl Sittler 0.442
His 674 points in 727 games is also good, 24 playoff points in 40 playoff games not bad, was Penguins captain for about two seasons, played in the 1984 NHL all-star game, was twice top-10 in goals scored. After 11 NHL seasons he went and played 10 seasons in Germany, leading the league in points, goals and named league MVP once.

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Had a killer shot and was an outstanding PP performer. One of the anchors of the Calgary PP that clicked along at 29% in 1987-88. Wasn't afraid of physical play either.

But he was a poor defensive player and his skating became an issue as his career went along. Also had a few drinking incidents off-ice during his time in Pittsburgh.

Had a disaster playoffs for Calgary in 1988 that was the beginning of the end of his career - dealt to St. Louis for Doug Gilmour and lasted only 20 games for the Blues before being traded again.

Similar skillset to Jeff O'Neill, although O'Neill played RW, and a similar career.

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Mike Bullard scored 329 NHL goals in only 727 games, making him Top-50 all time in NHL career goals per game, in the middle of good company:
Bearing in mind, of course, that he played the bulk of his career in the high-scoring 80s, and when he hit the decline phase of his career he went to Germany, which locked in his per-game numbers in the NHL.

For instance, if he had played 5 more years in the NHL accumulating his 1991/92 numbers, his career goals-per-game would be .379 rather than .453, which would knock him down to 126th.

Skipping the decline phase of your career does wonders for your rate stats.

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Mike Bullard scored 329 NHL goals in only 727 games, making him Top-50 all time in NHL career goals per game, in the middle of good company:
Over the period of his career, 80-81 through 91-92, he ranks 24th in goals scored and of the top 100 goal scorers over that period he ranks 32nd in goals per game. 22 players rank ahead of him in both total goals and GPG.

That is about the level of Pavol Demitra over the 98-99 to 10-11 period, except Demitra didn't play in the 10-11 season.

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VI criticizes me on a regular basis for use of statistics, but then he trots out things like this...

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I recall someone, possibly on HNIC, stating that Bullard had mental health problems. Can any other old timers remember this?

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Over the period of his career, 80-81 through 91-92, he ranks 24th in goals scored and of the top 100 goal scorers over that period he ranks 32nd in goals per game. 22 players rank ahead of him in both total goals and GPG.

That is about the level of Pavol Demitra over the 98-99 to 10-11 period, except Demitra didn't play in the 10-11 season.
That's a good use of statistics. It shows he was productive over the decade.

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VI criticizes me on a regular basis for use of statistics, but then he trots out things like this...
THAT one uses statistics isn't an issue, it's HOW one uses statistics.

Nobody is saying Bullard is an all-time great deserving of Top-1000 all-time status. But his top-50 career NHL goal scoring rate, top-25 or top-30ish decade NHL goal scoring pace is RELEVANT in appreciating him as a regular repeated scorer in good company. It's not the only thing to be used to judge overall value, but when a player is not an ATD pick nor MLD pick, the goes through the AAA and is available in the AA, one sees his longterm scoring pace as head and shoulders above others at that point. I just thought him underappreciated, not that he should be seen as an all-time great or MLD qualiuty pick (AAA draft regular yes). Apparently he had character issues I hadn't found any research on, and frankly I don't remember him at all despite watching hockey throughout the eighties (though not his teams, granted), so the Demitra comparison by BM67 is apt.

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Really solid player, one of the good 2nd tier of centres in the NHL in the 80's.

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That's a good use of statistics. It shows he was productive over the decade.


THAT one uses statistics isn't an issue, it's HOW one uses statistics.

Nobody is saying Bullard is an all-time great deserving of Top-1000 all-time status. But his top-50 career NHL goal scoring rate, top-25 or top-30ish decade NHL goal scoring pace is RELEVANT in appreciating him as a regular repeated scorer in good company. It's not the only thing to be used to judge overall value, but when a player is not an ATD pick nor MLD pick, the goes through the AAA and is available in the AA, one sees his longterm scoring pace as head and shoulders above others at that point. I just thought him underappreciated, not that he should be seen as an all-time great or MLD qualiuty pick (AAA draft regular yes). Apparently he had character issues I hadn't found any research on, and frankly I don't remember him at all despite watching hockey throughout the eighties (though not his teams, granted), so the Demitra comparison by BM67 is apt.
Here is his hockey reference page and stats (adjusted) since we are trotting them out.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...bullami01.html

His adjusted goal total of 265 puts him about 250th all time which is more of an indication of how good (or not) he rates historically.

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