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10-11-2011, 03:13 PM
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I'll be there (from atlanta) but wearing a preds jersey and hoping for a 10-0 preds win.
Me, too! Will be telling them we miss them during warm ups...hoping for a big fat loss on the ice lol.

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That honestly looks like something from The Onion. Too bad it's NOT.

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Is there actually a "contingent" of devils fans in atlanta? I figured you were just playing along with the whole fan draft thing y'all did.
The others are coming from new jersey, but yes. There's a good bit of devs fans in Atlanta.

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The others are coming from new jersey, but yes. There's a good bit of devs fans in Atlanta.
I still think that is part of why the Thrashers failed. Too many transplants who only went to see their old team and not enough home grown interest.

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I still think that is part of why the Thrashers failed. Too many transplants who only went to see their old team and not enough home grown interest.
Kind of knew it was bad when atlanta had the trade your jersey program

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I still think that is part of why the Thrashers failed. Too many transplants who only went to see their old team and not enough home grown interest.
Well, there weren't any Devils fans until 1995 either, so....


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Is there actually a "contingent" of devils fans in atlanta? I figured you were just playing along with the whole fan draft thing y'all did.
When Atlanta was awarded the 1996 Olympics, *everyone* moved here. From everywhere. New York, Boston, Saskatoon, Los Angeles, Toronto, etc... you name it, people moved here. It was a time of huge growth for the city of Atlanta.

Did you know that, at one time, I-75/I-85 through downtown was only three lanes wide in each direction? Yep.

Getting to the point, though, when everyone came here, they brought their team allegiances with them.

So, yeah, there's a contingent of fans here for practically every major league sport ... and some minor league teams, too.

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"Random" NHL city will be a huge challenge, but the easiest/best way is the March 24th game against the Peg in Nashville. I'll be there fo sho!
Well, I understand that clearly. However, I feel like visiting Nashville, Raleigh, Tampa or Sunrise would sort of be "expected." Well, maybe not Sunrise so much, but you know what I mean.

Also, I certainly don't mean this as something to be done this year ...or anytime soon, really. I'm just looking back on what the Nordique fans did last year, you know? Thousands of them, bused into Nassau Coliseum, to take in the Thrashers visiting the Islanders.

Just a little something to say "hey, we remember the Thrashers, and we're going to make sure no one forgets them." Because honestly, before those folks started making a spectacle of themselves, how often were the Nordiques in the US national press since the time of their departure?

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I still think that is part of why the Thrashers failed. Too many transplants who only went to see their old team and not enough home grown interest.
Well, to be fair, the Thrashers never had time to establish a home grown fanbase. That said, home grown fans start at home, and a lot of people moving here aren't just singles looking to hook up with a cute southern chick and start a family, the people moving here are families. They come, and bring with them their love of [insert city name here] sports with 'em.

I embraced the Thrashers with arms wide open, and loved the team wholly. Yes, I cheered on my Red Wings, too -- except when they played Atlanta. I made the Thrashers my number one team, and did everything I was able to support them. Up to and including attending that "rally to save the Thrashers" that happened just a few short weeks before the team was sent packing.

We can sit here all day and say "what if" about transplants maintaining their team allegiance, but that won't help things. While it truly was an issue with those transplants failing to show some sort of support for the Thrashers, that's not the root of the problem. The root is Atlanta Spirit never wanted this team to begin with, and only bought them because AOLTW wouldn't split the Thrashers from the Hawks and Philips.

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10-12-2011, 04:15 AM
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Well, to be fair, the Thrashers never had time to establish a home grown fanbase. That said, home grown fans start at home, and a lot of people moving here aren't just singles looking to hook up with a cute southern chick and start a family, the people moving here are families. They come, and bring with them their love of [insert city name here] sports with 'em.

I embraced the Thrashers with arms wide open, and loved the team wholly. Yes, I cheered on my Red Wings, too -- except when they played Atlanta. I made the Thrashers my number one team, and did everything I was able to support them. Up to and including attending that "rally to save the Thrashers" that happened just a few short weeks before the team was sent packing.

We can sit here all day and say "what if" about transplants maintaining their team allegiance, but that won't help things. While it truly was an issue with those transplants failing to show some sort of support for the Thrashers, that's not the root of the problem. The root is Atlanta Spirit never wanted this team to begin with, and only bought them because AOLTW wouldn't split the Thrashers from the Hawks and Philips.
I agree with that but I would also add the Thrashers never had enough success either as success usually draws more interest regardless of what people say. Don't get me wrong as i'm not trying to lay the burden of blame on people who moved to the area from other parts of the country. It is just noticeable to someone who has lived in the ATL area since I was born and it's not just exclusive to the Thrashers. Ever seen Turner Field when Boston or the Yankees come into town? Surely most of those people are not from out of state just traveling with the team, I bet a great number of Red Sox and Yankee fans live here but are absent from Turner Field unless their team is in town.

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10-12-2011, 06:25 AM
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I agree with that but I would also add the Thrashers never had enough success either as success usually draws more interest regardless of what people say. Don't get me wrong as i'm not trying to lay the burden of blame on people who moved to the area from other parts of the country. It is just noticeable to someone who has lived in the ATL area since I was born and it's not just exclusive to the Thrashers.
Oh, no doubt. I've been here since I was very little, and I've seen it all myself, too.

Success would have helped; however, it would have helped too if the people in a position to create success had done so. It's a sad case of the chicken or the egg.

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............, it would have helped too if the people in a position to create success had done so. It's a sad case of the chicken or the egg.

This.

ASG was too busy fightning with Belkin to concentrate on both the Hawks and Thrashers.

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We can sit here all day and say "what if" about transplants maintaining their team allegiance, but that won't help things. While it truly was an issue with those transplants failing to show some sort of support for the Thrashers, that's not the root of the problem. The root is Atlanta Spirit never wanted this team to begin with, and only bought them because AOLTW wouldn't split the Thrashers from the Hawks and Philips.
Very well said and I agree. I mean you have your hard core hockey fans (like the ones who spend too much time on a hockey web board) who are going to come out regardless, but to get the casual fan, you have to win. Atlanta is a terrible sports town and with so much of a choice of what to spend your disposable income on, those people want to see a winner. When you have owners that don't care if the team wins or not, it's just a disaster. What a cluster *beep*

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This.

ASG was too busy fightning with Belkin to concentrate on both the Hawks and Thrashers.
Well, this IS true, BUT even if they weren't, it wouldn't have mattered. A$G never game a damn about the Thrashers. Basketball was their only interest.

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Just a little tidbit of info...

Craig Custance posted a blog today on ESPN's INsider page regarding Atlanta.

I'm not sure what the policy about copy/pasting those sort of articles onto HFB are, but someone on Facebook was kind enough to post the entire article on the "KeepTheThrashers" page, and that post can be found by clicking here.

I have my thoughts. Some of you know what I think. A few of you even know what I know. With that, I'll say this:

Waddell is 100% correct with regards to how Bettman feels about Atlanta.

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Just a little tidbit of info...

Craig Custance posted a blog today on ESPN's INsider page regarding Atlanta.

I'm not sure what the policy about copy/pasting those sort of articles onto HFB are, but someone on Facebook was kind enough to post the entire article on the "KeepTheThrashers" page, and that post can be found by clicking here.

I have my thoughts. Some of you know what I think. A few of you even know what I know. With that, I'll say this:

Waddell is 100% correct with regards to how Bettman feels about Atlanta.
Maybe so but does anyone really see the NHL expanding beyond 30 teams? I doubt any of us would want to go through the expansion process again and deal with the early growing pains. Is re-location to Atlanta even an option as well? Also what would you want to call the team? Knights? Thrashers? or something else? I guess i'm just a bit more skeptical on this, but in the mean time i'll enjoy the Preds and the Glads.

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Maybe so but does anyone really see the NHL expanding beyond 30 teams?
In the near future? I can see a two-team expansion. Really, depends on what happens in Phoenix and, if it comes down to it, where Phoenix goes.

In the article cited above, Waddell says there are other teams "in worse financial trouble" than the Thrashers were. The Thrashers were moved because, according to him, they were the easiest team to move. Many of the ones in trouble are actually tied down. From what D-Wad said, some of those other owners would have jumped at the chance to sell their team for "$180 million."

Could Atlanta end up being the new home of any number of other teams in trouble? It's a possibility.

If there's anything the pessimists here should learn from Winnipeg, it's "never say die."

As for some other the other questions... eh, I think the "Thrashers" brand is tarnished beyond repair. Phoenix? It's not just a city, it's also a bird that appears on the city seal:



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In the near future? I can see a two-team expansion. Really, depends on what happens in Phoenix and, if it comes down to it, where Phoenix goes.
You may be right and Teflon Don may be right, but I'm going to have to hear it from somebody higher up than him to believe we'll ever get another shot.

Yes, you have a point about the Winnipeg example. I'm just convinced the deck is stacked too much against us in a lot of ways. Hope I'm wrong, though.

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In the near future? I can see a two-team expansion. Really, depends on what happens in Phoenix and, if it comes down to it, where Phoenix goes.

In the article cited above, Waddell says there are other teams "in worse financial trouble" than the Thrashers were. The Thrashers were moved because, according to him, they were the easiest team to move. Many of the ones in trouble are actually tied down. From what D-Wad said, some of those other owners would have jumped at the chance to sell their team for "$180 million."

Could Atlanta end up being the new home of any number of other teams in trouble? It's a possibility.

If there's anything the pessimists here should learn from Winnipeg, it's "never say die."

As for some other the other questions... eh, I think the "Thrashers" brand is tarnished beyond repair. Phoenix? It's not just a city, it's also a bird that appears on the city seal:

"Atlanta Phoenix" isn't a bad idea although i'm kinda partial to seeing a return of the Knights which happens to be the only professional hockey team to bring a championship to Atlanta.

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"Atlanta Phoenix" isn't a bad idea although i'm kinda partial to seeing a return of the Knights which happens to be the only professional hockey team to bring a championship to Atlanta.
Didn't the Jr. Thrashers youth hockey program rebrand themselves as the Atlanta Phoenix over the summer?

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I believe you would be correct.http://www.iceforum.com/

The iceforum is the home of the Atlanta Phoenix.

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You may be right and Teflon Don may be right, but I'm going to have to hear it from somebody higher up than him to believe we'll ever get another shot.

Yes, you have a point about the Winnipeg example. I'm just convinced the deck is stacked too much against us in a lot of ways. Hope I'm wrong, though.
I have a distinct feeling that if you were to ask many of the Winnipeg posters here about that, they'd say the same.

Never lose hope.

I don't inherently "believe" what Donny Wads is selling, I just know that Bettman didn't want to leave the Atlanta market. A return to Atlanta is inevitable. The question isn't if, it's when.

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You're right, and I completely forgot about that. For me, that was a name I had been throwing around in jest all summer long.

The Knights would be an interesting name, though. Considering the fans are going to yell "knights" during the anthem no matter what, you might as well make it official!

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Bettman's hand was pretty much forced when it comes to Atlanta hockey. Sometimes to cure the cancer, you have to lose an arm....A$G was that cancerous arm.

Winnipeg was in perfect position to take advantage. Think about it... Of all the potential relocation cities out there, they were the only ones with A-An ownership group willing to spend the money, B-A fanbase they knew would buy the product in what's a worldwide economic downturn (Honestly, a no-risk situation for the league. Selling pro hockey in Winnipeg is like selling college football in the Southeast; there's really no selling involved), and C-They had an NHL ready barn. i can't think of any other place in the US/Canada that had that particular combination.

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