My gut says he will play next year back in juniors. I think if he has a great camp and (IF) they give him a few game tryout and he proves he isn't out of place, he could very well find himself on the roster permanently.
But honestly with DSP in more of a 'ready' point in his game, Anaheim will have no problem letting him benefit from his high scoring and high minutes in the W.
He will most likely get a 9 game try out depending on how he does at the camp. He has a good low center of gravity, so I think he will be able to play his game at the nhl level if he gets lucky. If not, its back to juniors.
Valentine rejected our offer and apparently going back to the draft. We should draft him again for ***** and giggles
Wonder why he rejected it though.
Maybe he got lowballed and feels he's worth more. Once he gets drafted he can immediately sign for a higher price. Although another team would probably offer him less because he's pretty much forced into whatever he's offered. Could be a stupid move by him/his agent.
I honestly hate seeing prospects pull this crap though... He looked like an intriguing pick, I was stupid and got my hopes up... Should have known. Oh well... He's old news. At least we have Vatanen!
Maybe he got lowballed and feels he's worth more. Once he gets drafted he can immediately sign for a higher price. Although another team would probably offer him less because he's pretty much forced into whatever he's offered. Could be a stupid move by him/his agent.
I honestly hate seeing prospects pull this crap though... He looked like an intriguing pick, I was stupid and got my hopes up... Should have known. Oh well... He's old news. At least we have Vatanen!
Reminds me to the Tim Brent saga. Well I don't understand why ELC is such an issue. I believe that those things are more due to the agents than the players themself.
If Valentine goes back to the draft where will he get drafted? I doubt he will get more than what the Ducks offered him. Maybe he wants to be FA - also a possibilty if he passes in this years draft. The payday then may be higher.
I'm really annoyed by this things.
Btw. the Flames have trouble to sign their 2009 first rounder Tim Erixon. That is interessting too - especially when he becomes available.
Yeah I was going to mention Tim Brent. Just crappy situations. And if erixon re-enters the draft I would think he would go pretty high. I doubt he would even reach the ducks. I wish I had an ounce of feeling for Calgary because without him their future Is looking pretty dry.
Swan was another who was stupid enough to think he could get more by going back into the draft. Instead he went undrafted and has never played a professional game.
Although with Valentine, he was a late pick to begin with so unless he goes undrafted then he'll likely end up being picked up in an earlier round, which may give him more leverage. Brent and Swan could only really drop from their original position as neither went on to do anything special after being drafted initially.
Keep in mind that Valentine is a sixth round pick to begin with. Sure he had a strong year, but agent probably pushed for more than Anaheim was willing to give. With draft position (and round) comes a usual range of what you can expect in terms of contract. Now sometimes teams and agents waver from that (I believe in Swan's case, the team was offering less than what Swan and his agent thought a second-round pick was worth, whereas in Brent's case the agent was seeking more than the going rate for a second-round guy).
Knowing nothing about this, it sounds like Valentine and his agent were hoping for more than just "sixth round money". Maybe someone else will be willing to give it to him.
If Anaheim drafts him again, it will without a doubt be with a sixth or seventh round pick, if only for negotiation posturing. And if Anaheim drafts him again, Valentine's first move will likely be to fire his agent.
Ducks have 11 defensemen on contract for next season and that's without making decisions on RFAs like Degray, Regan, Williams and Zimmerman.
The Ducks have already signed five of their seven 2009 draft choices. These include the following, all of which were picked prior to Valentine:
Peter Holland
Kyle Palmieri
Mat Clark
Igor Bobkov
Sami Vatanen
It is uncertain if all of these players are going to ever make the Ducks, although with proper coaching and development they may do so. It would be nice to have also signed Valentine, even though he would have been a longer shot to make the team. However, if someone is not going to sign as a draft choice, I would rather it be him than the people that the Ducks did sign.
The Ducks have already signed five of their seven 2009 draft choices. These include the following, all of which were picked prior to Valentine:
Peter Holland
Kyle Palmieri
Mat Clark
Igor Bobkov
Sami Vatanen
The 2009 draft has really helped re-stock the system. Helps a lot after what happened to our 2006, 2007 and 2008 draft classes. (Mitera a project, Swan and MacMillan busts, trading Tangradi, Gardiner, Kampfer and O'Dell) Beleskey is it for 2006. Macenauer is all thats left from 2007. McMillan and Schultz could save the 2008 draft. Brittain and Cousineau have limited NHL potential.
2010 of course is looking good with Fowler, Etem, and Smith-Pelly.
not sure we will ever see Wagner, Heed, Dahlstrom, Lind, or Perlini though.
not sure we will ever see Wagner, Heed, Dahlstrom, Lind, or Perlini though.
Perlini, Lind and Wagner all had pretty strong, albeit quiet seasons in the college ranks. Lind and Wagner were both freshmen, so plenty of time for them to develop.
A decision on Perlini will need to come a bit sooner though, as he enters his senior year next season. But he more than doubled his sophomore output last year to jump to 2nd in scoring on his team.
Heed and Dahlstrom...well...Dahlstrom was a gamble to begin with. Not looking like that will pay off.
Heed's got more promise, but just a wait and see. It doesn't help his case that the pipeline has strong candidates in the offensive defenseman mould already.
I liked what I saw from Wagner and Lind both at the prospects camp. Wagner was a ball of fire looking to make an impression and it worked with me. Threw a few crosschecks to get things heated, carried the puck well, tried to make some moves...
And worst case scenario I think Lind can end up being a decent player in Syracuse for a few years.
[QUOTE=McDonald19;33352544]The 2009 draft has really helped re-stock the system. Helps a lot after what happened to our 2006, 2007 and 2008 draft classes. (Mitera a project, Swan and MacMillan busts, trading Tangradi, Gardiner, Kampfer and O'Dell) Beleskey is it for 2006. Macenauer is all thats left from 2007. McMillan and Schultz could save the 2008 draft. Brittain and Cousineau have limited NHL potential.
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Deschamps was also drafted in 2008 and has some potential as one of those 3rd/4th line depth players.
Bobkov has been traded to Kingston, likely spend next year there from the sound of things. Timo played better late in the year, should be good for him to dive into a better roster in 'Cuse next year
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Reminds me to the Tim Brent saga. Well I don't understand why ELC is such an issue. I believe that those things are more due to the agents than the players themself.
If Valentine goes back to the draft where will he get drafted? I doubt he will get more than what the Ducks offered him. Maybe he wants to be FA - also a possibilty if he passes in this years draft. The payday then may be higher.
I'm really annoyed by this things.
Btw. the Flames have trouble to sign their 2009 first rounder Tim Erixon. That is interessting too - especially when he becomes available.
Tim Erixon was traded to and signed by the Rangers today:
